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Ben McLemore Comparison

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Ben McLemore Comparison

It's been driving me nuts who Ben McLemore reminds me of and it finally occurred to me earlier. Obviously McLemore is an average sized SG while Wes Johnson was an average sized SF that happened to play SG as a rookie, but going back and reading his scouting report and comparing it to McLemore's, they're almost identical.

McLemore: A classic late bloomer, Ben McLemore was considered an undersized power forward early on in his career (obviously he eventually put it together by the time he was a senior in high school though)
Wes: Late bloomer; played some PF in college but projects as a SF/SG at the next level

McLemore: Boasting some of the best leaping ability of any player in college basketball, McLemore is a highlight reel play waiting to happen and has very good quickness as well.
Wes: Quick and slippery when maneuvering in the lane; tremendous leaping abilities, allowing him to rise above traffic; tons of highlight real dunks at Syracuse; a terror in transition

McLemore: Sees most of his possessions as a transition finisher, spot-up shooter, and cutter in Bill Self's highly disciplined offense.
Wes: Can spot up from short or deep; terror in transiton; mainly a spot-up shooter and cutter on the offensive end

McLemore: He sports excellent shooting mechanics, being very reliable with his feet set, and showing solid range. Blessed with the athleticism to elevate and create separation from defenders, he's capable of coming off curls and getting a clean look off
Wes: ...the smooth mechanics, deep range, quick release and terrific separation he creates elevating away from his defender should ease most of the concerns teams might have; He moves extremely well off the ball, and does a great job of getting himself open off back screens

McLemore: This shows up primarily in his struggles shooting the ball off the dribble this year, where he's been far less effective than he has with his feet set.
Wes: Has trouble creating off the dribble, most of his opportunities come after one dribble or a catch and shoot

McLemore: Defensively, McLemore similarly shows excellent potential, with his quick feet, decent length, solid frame and ability to cover ground quickly.
Wes: Considering Johnson's phenomenal physical tools, though—size, length, athleticism, and his high activity level, it's not difficult to project him as a versatile and very effective defender at the NBA level; Can quickly move from the weak-side to ball-side

McLemore: As a ball-handler, McLemore is still very much a work in progress, as he struggles to create high percentage shots for himself in one on one situations in the half-court, especially when forced to dribble or finish with his off (left) hand. McLemore has an outstanding first step, but is not very fluid with the ball in his hands, struggling to change speeds and directions, and rarely getting all the way to the rim in the half-court, instead being forced to settle for floaters from 5-8 feet out, which are much lower percentage shots. He doesn't deal very well with contact around the rim, and doesn't do a great job drawing fouls inside the paint, not always getting to the free throw line as often as you might hope
Wes: His ball-handling skills are average at best, as his left hand is weak, he has a difficult time changing directions with the ball in tight spaces, and he's not very effective if he's unable to beat his matchup with his pure first step. Johnson continues to struggle to get to the free throw line at a high rate.

McLemore: To McLemore's credit, he does a good job staying within himself and not forcing the issue, as he appears to be an unselfish player who is very willing to make the extra pass.
Wes: To his credit, Johnson appears to understand his limitations and isn't very turnover prone.”

McLemore: Is he a “3 and D” player, meaning a spot-up 3-point shooter, transition finisher and defensive stalwart,
Wes: ^^^ Describes Wes to a T.

I know it's a lot of reading, but I thought it was kind of funny how similar their scouting reports are.


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Johnson a defensive stalwart?

Johnson a defensive stalwart? He played in a zone. Also Johnson was a much better player in college than McClemore is and was more aggressive.

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"Considering Johnson's

"Considering Johnson's phenomenal physical tools, though—size, length, athleticism, and his high activity level, it's not difficult to project him as a versatile and very effective defender at the NBA level; Can quickly move from the weak-side to ball-side"

He was viewed as an elite defensive prospect because of his combination of athleticism, length, quickness, and the fact that he averaged nearly 2 blocks and 2 steals per game at Syracuse.

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Johnson was also 3 years

Johnson was also 3 years older then Bmac when drafted. I wonder what McLemores stats would look like in his Soph or Junior seasons in college?

I'm not sure where the 3 point shooting comparison comes from. Johnson wasn't being compared to Ray Allen for shooting his 3's.

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I was just about to say that

I was just about to say that nobody was comparing Wes Johnson's jumpshot to Ray Allen coming out of college. He was a similar type of prospects in other regards but nobody was expecting Wes Johnson to score 20 a game in the NBA like many are eventually expecting out of Ben McLemore.

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Is Bmac something like Kidd Gillchrest?

"Not for first few seasons player"?

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Not overwhelming....a Jason

Not overwhelming....a Jason Richardson type

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^

I've been saying this is the perfect comparison for McLemore. And it's not a bad thing necessarily, but people expect more than a "jason richardson" when you're drafted number one overall.

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Wes johnson is a bum in the

Wes johnson is a bum in the NBA. It is weird seeing how positive everything about him was coming out of college and how good he will be in the NBA, but instead he is just another bust minnesota drafted. It also shows how tough it is to draft. Some of these guys will be busts, but it is so hard to predict who will be busts and who will be steals because college is different than the NBA.

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It's not only that, it's also how the draft picks compare to the NBA versus every other "amateur" athlete. This is a weak draft year by most accounts so it's hard to compare to what next year will bring. If you look at a guy like Jimmy Butler on the Bulls, who just dropped 28 points tonight on only 12fga, there was nobody in the league who thought the Bulls were drafting Derrick Rose's backcourt partner of the future when they snagged him out of Marquette. How many people from the draft 2 years ago would you have picked as the Bulls future SG over Jimmy Butler? It's got to be in the double digits. There are a lot of guys who try hard in the NBA and really work on their game. Also, I was reading the Mock Draft 3.0 and the part where Nerlens Noel is described, it says that it's probably a good thing that he didn't get a chance to play more games at Kentucky because it would allow him to show off his weaknesses more to NBA scouts. That is another ridiculous trend in the NBA (which is why I think they force guys to go to college at least 1 year, not for the benefit of the players but for the benefit of NBA GM's and scouts who don't know how to scout high school talent as well). A guy like Ben Mclemore will be the 1st SG taken in over 40 years? He hasn't even been playing the position for more than a couple of years! If he stayed in college, he would see his draft stock fall because potential is sometimes an impossible thing for these guys to reach. Then, you have a guy like Joakim Noah who returned to school after being a potential Top 5 pick. All he did was win a championship AGAIN at Florida and he slipped to the teens. Do we just get sick of watching these guys? I mean, he was one of the best C in the NBA and has a legitmate shot at being the DPOY this year (I think it's between him or Marc Gasol). He didn't really get worse at Florida. Also, he shared the front court with Al Horford, who is an All-Star caliber player in his own right and he had to sacrifice some individual stats to win a 2nd consectutive National Championship. But, that's why these teams seem to be stuck in the lottery forever. These kids aren't all stupid. They realize the trend and go to the NBA way too early. Then, the team that drafts them get to experience ALL the problems that go along with developing these prospects but only REALLY get to control their rights for 4 years. If it takes 3 years just for them to figure it out, that means they are into their contract year and looking at all the available spots around the NBA and they realize that the NBA Championship usually resides in about 20% of the cities with an NBA team. Charlotte isn't where free agents are climbing over each other to get too.

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I don't see the Wes Johnson

I don't see the Wes Johnson comparisons, at all. McLemore is a much better shooter and a guy with a true NBA position at a younger age. Wes was two full years older ( also a redshirt ) when he declared and still wasn't as good of a shooter as Ben is now.

I understand after a disappointing NCAA tournament, that McLemore isn't as attractive of a #1 pick as he was in Jan, but he's a much better prospect than people are giving him credit for now. Dequan Cook, Courtney Lee, and now Wes Johnson are all under 10 ppg career scorers and Ben could out shoot all of them when they were at his stage, not to mention he's a better defender and a more explosive athlete.

Lets not forget that Ben Mclemore didn't play with a point guard, and still managed to drop over 30 ppg three times this season, all against teams that made the NCAA tourament. The NBA is all about spacing and a 6'5'' kid with at the minimum a 35'' vertical leap will have NO problem getting his shot off against more athletic guards, not to mention if he were put next to an NBA level PG ( not a college caliber combo ) then he would get better shots and have more opportunity offensively.

I get that people want a possible #1 pick to be taking guys off the dribble and scoring every way possible, but just because Ben can't do all of that as a redshirt freshman, doesn't mean he won't expand his game and I guarantee you that he's going to be dribbling the ball non-stop from now to next November. It's still a weakness of his, but very rarely do you get the same guy in Mid-April than you get in November.

Lets not get carried away because there isn't a true #1, I feel McLemore is on the same level of prospect as Beal and Waiters were last year and I suspect he'll be over a 10 ppg scorer from day 1. He may not go #1, but he still has all the tools to be a 20 ppg scorer in the NBA. He didn't get shorter, his shot didn't get worse and he didn't get injured. He is going to get better, and even if he never achieves the level of a true #1 scorer doing what he can do now, and improving on those things as an NBA player will make him, at the very least a 15 ppg starting guard who provides spacing and electrifying dunks on the break.

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I just got sad after reading your comment. I personally do not think that McLemore is the same level prospect as Beal and Waiters. I think he would have been taken after both of them if he were in last year's draft. I really like the kid and believe he has a chance to be really good, too. I look at the form on his shot and I am impressed. I see the highlight reel dunks and I am impressed. Then, I see the name Ray Allen as his comparison and realize that his size, form on his shot, and athletic ability (obviously a young Ray Allen, not the shooter off of screens that currently plays for the Heat) are similar. But, I remember Ray Allen in college. He was a stud coming out. The Bucks were sure they drafted an All-Star and he went 5th! Hell, there were multiple MVP's and DPOY in that draft, too. Taken AFTER Ray Allen. The reason I am sad is because this is one of the weakest lotteries I can remember in a long time. I don't know if I would say as bad as 2000, because there is clearly more talent than that. But, when the #1 pick is between a SG who was converted from an undersized PF, who was not only redshirted but also was FAR from taking his talented Kansas team on his shoulders for an extended tournament run OR a skinny defensive oriented PF/C who blew out his ACL (and was probably on the one Kentucky team that future HOF coach Cal won't win a championship or go the Final Four with during this 3 year stretch) THERE IS SERIOUSLY NOT A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM FOR A #1 PICK! As a matter of fact, if I were one of the perrenial lottery teams that are going to be vying for the #1 pick I would try to trade down for multiple picks. There are probably more surefire NBA contributors outside of the lottery than there are in the lottery. There are WAY too many question marks in the Top 10. Hell, the Top 5. Many of the guys like Marcus Smart and Anthony Bennett don't have a true position. The top SF in the latest mock draft is compared to Tayshaun Prince and Stacey Augmon. Anyone who follows the NBA Draft year in and year out could look at all top 10 picks in the current mock draft and could EASILY make the case that there might not be ONE TEN YEAR NBA STARTER AMONGST THE WHOLE BUNCH! Seriously, that's pretty pathetic. I am not saying that I think that will happen, but I can't get seriously pumped up for most of them. If I were the Charlotte Bobcats and I had the #1 pick, I think that I would trade it to someone for another lottery pick in 2014 if anyone were that stupid. Seriously, the 8th guy taken next year would probably have a shot at being #1 in this years draft (FYI, Andrew Harrison is currently 10th in the 2014 mock and he is the #1 PG prospect in the country and will most likely be playing for an NCAA Championship next spring and I would DEFINITELY take him #1 over every single one of the guys who are potential #1's this year). I could actually see Jamaal Franklin being a better NBA shooting guard than McLemore. Probably not, but I have seen a bit of tape on him and I feel just as confident that he could end up being a starter on an NBA team competing in the playoffs as I would Ben). Even in the VERY weak drafts there is usually someone at #1 who is capable of changing a franchise's fate for the better. This year there might be a guy on crutches hobbling up to David Stern to shake his hand). Yuck. Gross.

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Ben

I've thought all year,
Best Case - Jason Richardson
Worst Case - Dorrell Wright?

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I like the Jason Richardson

I like the Jason Richardson comparison...he also has some Jr Smith in him too IMO

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He has the tools of JR Smith

He has the tools of JR Smith but not the mindset. JR is known as a guy that will jack shots up at an alarming rate and shoot you out of a game on occasion. Ben lacks assertiveness and that is really the only knock on him at this point.

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I'm not high on McLemore at

I'm not high on McLemore at all but he'll be better than Wes Johnson.

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