This Beat Down is just What Lebron James NEEDS!!!
As a Wiseman once said '''How one really enjoy Success ,if we've never had Failure?
All the Great 1's have seen & experienced Failure...Before they became Champions
1.Jordan...Hearing that the Greatest basketbal player of alltime was cut from a basketball team..Should be inspiration for anyone that tries something to never give up..Who can forget M.J. being frozen out of the AllStar game his rookie year? Some say Jordan is still bittered..For years M.J had to battle the Mighty Celtics & The Bad Boys of Detroit..Detroit Bullied their way to 3 final appearances,often stepping on Jordan's young Bulls on their way to get there..For 3 straight years the Bulls face the Pistons in the Playoffs and 3 straight years the Pistons left them beaten & bruised..Jordan was a 4th year guard in 1988 and was labeled a guy that would never lead a team to a title..While Detriot on the other hand had battled for 5 years on their way to the top..Along with Isiah 1 of the best point guards ever..The Pistons had Hall of Fame coach Chuck Daly..2 Hall of Fame teammates in Dumars & Dantley..1 of the best rebounders in league hisory in Dennis Rodman and some great role players in Vinnie Johnson,Bill Laimbeer,Rick Mahorn & John Salley..Jordan felt the pain..He felt the bitterness..He heard what everyone was saying..They said He was a great player but not a Winner..Then came the 1991 Finals..Jordan's young team had finally matured..Scottie Pippen & Grant had blossomed into Allstars...They had a Hall of Fame coach in Phl Jackson..
2.Isaiah Thomas...Coming into the league Thomas couldn't escape the comparisons to Magic..But Thomas failed to bring a title to Detroit in his rookie season like Magic did..Zeke & his Pistons had to battle the Celtics for 5 years before they won a ring..
3.Kobe..Bryant came off the bench his 1st 2 seasons...He had a disasterous playoff his rookie year..When he shot 3 airballs at crucial times in the game..He missed the 1st shot to win the game in the 4th quarter and missed 2 three-pointers to tie the game in the last minutes of overtime..Stockton totally schooled him the the playoffs..This completely bothered the guy some had crowned the next Jordan..
From the time he was in 10th grade..Lebron has had things handed to him..From getting invites from Jordan to play in private scrimmages..To Arenas all over the state of Ohio begging his High School to play there games there..T.V Stations in Ohio charging $7 to show his games on Pay-Per-View ..His picture on the cover of countless Magazines..NBA players coming to watch him play..His mom wearing T-Shirts that said ''I'm Lebron's Mom''..By the time he was in 11th grade..Eddie Jackson 1 of Lebron's mom ex-boyfriends gave him a car..Why? someone asked,Because when you're dominating folks in basketball you gave the kid anything he ask for...Dude came into the NBA with more Fanfare then any other player in league history..He was Annoited the Chosen 1..And he has played up to that unreasonable hype for the most part..
Years from now after he's won maybe 4 titles and he's giving his Hall of Fame Speech
He can thank the Media..For saying he wasn't a winner..
He can thank the Fans for saying he gaveup in the 2010 playoffs.
He can thank the Spurs for sweeping his Cavs in the 2007 Finals
He can Thank the Celtics for showing him what it takes to be a CHAMPION
I find this topic to be a big coincidence because i was just on this other NBA chat sie and saw this thread started from another guy that is very similar to yours:
Before we write a eulogy for Lebron's legacy...let's take a trip down memory lane...
Game 5, 1989 ECF: YouTube - Bulls vs. Pistons 1989 game 5 (1/...) (entire game is on youtube)
At this point, this was the biggest game of Jordan's career, he's in his prime and he pulls the same &$#%#&@! Lebron did. You know how many shots he took in the game? EIGHT. And half of them were in the first quarter. He took just one shot in the fourth quarter and airballed it. It wasn't like the game was out of hand, it was a nip and tuck till the end. Just like the Cavs the other night, the Bulls were waiting for MJ to take over, or at least show he cared...but it never came.
it's never about just the number of shots...it's the demeanor. Bulls were up 2-1 in this series and stole home court, Jordan carried them in the game 3 win...didn't have a good game 4 and they lost, teammates didn't play well which was often the case. He comes out next game and plays the same passive way LBJ/KB have been accused of. Floats passes, has weird turnovers where his head doesn't seem in the game, content to just dump off the ball to his teammates and watch them 25 feet away from the hoop, content to have Brad Sellers take late clock jumpers rather than look or demand for the ball. There was defensive pressure sure, it's the bad boy Pistons after all, just like there was defensive pressure any time Lebron plays the Celtics. Great defense or not, you can't watch the game and not come out thinking the same thing you thought last night...wtf was MJ doing?
Even the announcers were puzzled and wondering what the hell was going on...
“he hasn’t really gotten that aggressive look at the offensive end so far”
”it’s almost like Jordan is on cruise control”
”at this point, Jordan is not even looking at the basket. More or less content to be a decoy”
”he’s been as quiet as a mouse, he just hasn’t been looking at the hoop and I think he has to”
Now put yourself back in 1989. You just watched MJ go through the motions for an entire game in the biggest game of his career, and it's more than likely because he's pissed at his team for not helping him in the previous game. Would you not be questioning his "killer instinct", "will to win" etc etc? Fast forward 5 years, when Jordan completes the three peat...are you still saying the same thing? Lebron's "killer instinct" was just fine when he refused to lose vs. Pistons in '07, in game 7 vs. Celts in '08, when he saved Cavs from elimination with one of the most dominant fourth quarters I've ever seen in game 5 vs. Magic last year, but now his legacy is forever tarnished over "killer instinct"?
The point of this post? Before you start going wild over the other night's game, know that going back to Jordan's career at the same age, you'd be saying the same thing and come out looking like an ass once his career was done. The biggest difference between when MJ had these "I am going to prove a point" games 20 years ago to now? He didn't have the entire world congregating on the internet and accuse him of dogging it.
You would think that if anyhting would humble him, tonight would have been it. If anything would make him hungrier, tonight would have been it as well. Time will tell.
Marc Jackson had a great line from tonight's game.
"The last 2 years, all you saw was this team dancing and having fun. You have to do it for the whole year, not just the season. Where is all the dancing and having fun now?"
i think humble is exactly what this series should do to him.
llperez, I agree with you to a point but remember this, the Cavs have had the best record in the league the last 2 seasons.
mr ridiculous, my whole post was not my words. I was just copy and pasting something i saw from another chat site and this topic was very similar so i thought i would share it. It seemed relevant in that it is about people writing lebron off right now when they should look back at what jordan was going through when he was 25 years old.
If Cleveland learns anything from this is that Mike Brown is an assistant coach not a head coach..Mike Brown seems like a nice guy...But he's riding Lebron's coat tail..
Yeah sorry, thought you wrote that. But still, when Jordan's teams had the best record, they won.
I am not writing him off but even though MJ and Kobe had not won anything at the same point they at least showed that fire that LBJ just doesn't seem to have at all times like those guys do/did.
Hey hater, yeah I am talking to you, the guy who just thumbed down the entire thread. Clean the sand out of your vag and put up an argument.
I feel like this thread could have been written last year after they lost to the Magic.
He had a tough last 3 games. His team was just straight up not good enough, and he did not have the ability to carry them, like everyone expected him to do. The Magic should have been a wake up call as well, but when you look at both of those series, did you not think LeBron did pretty much all he could. He averaged 35 a game against a Magic team in where he was the only person who could defend a player in their front court. Even Anderson Verajao had a problem playing defense against the Magic, who had a PF play on the perimeter instead of down in the post. This year, when I believe he is legitimately hurting, he dominated Paul Pierce. Just killed him, Paul had the one game where he played well, but he was shut down by LeBron, and as usual could not defend him. But, again, the Celtics matched them up perfectly, KG got plenty of opportunity to kill Jamison. The Rondo thing confused them to the point where they put their best perimeter defender (Anthony Parker) on a player we can all say, can not shoot jumpers. He is a speed demon, an incredible and gritty player, and is their best player right now bar none, but putting Parker on him was a waste, it literally only made the Cavs weaker. Mo Williams on Rondo might have been a joke, but putting him on Ray Allen was a bigger one. Ray literally got his shot off at will. Mo Williams had no effect whatsoever on Ray, and even with Mo playing well last night, he gave up much more due to his poor defense and turnovers.
My good friend and I have debated on LeBron James forever. He feels LeBron gets to many calls, that he has the ball too much, he does not like his attitude, and as much as my friend will say he does not dislike LeBron James, he does. He said the reason they lost the series was LeBron's inability to carry his play through a series, that he was fatigued and he could not continue his play to support the Box and one offense they run through him. I mean, he did not look like himself, but I think that in the end, it will be a much needed wake up call. The best thing LeBron could do is surround himself with a legitimate team. Cleveland spent this entire time trying valiantly to put a team around LeBron, and they got it to the point where they could overachieve in a number of seasons into looking like championship contenders. Kobe had Shaq and Gasol. Jordan had Pippen. If LeBron gets a chance to play with another great player (Shaq is not great anymore, Jamison and Mo Williams are not and never were, you can not be great unless you play consistently well on both sides of the floor or dominate your match-ups) he will be a force to be reckoned with come next year. If Kevin Garnett had the chance to play with great players earlier on, he might go down as being a top 10 player all-time, he did not get the chance until he was well past his prime and he is still close. I think we all know that LeBron James is an incredible basketball player, and you can rate him behind Kobe currently, or behind Wade, or say that Durant is on his coat tails, but I am fairly sure that come next year, he will raise the gap significantly to show just how great he is. I honestly hope he takes the chance to play with another player that could really help him in these situations (Wade, Bosh), and than we will truly see if LeBron has a chance to be one of the better players of all time. The Lakers could be dominant for quite a while, and it would be incredible if LeBron had a team that could compete with them, as I think we can all agree the past two years of who had the superior group.
As much as Kobe is the best all-around basketball player skill set wise, and maybe Dwyane Wade is the most explosive, LeBron James is the hardest player to beat in an individual match-up. The past few seasons, he has been dominant offensively and defensively to the point where it brings memories to when Michael Jordan was just way ahead of any other player in the league. LeBron consistently kills who ever he plays against, and when he plays against Kobe Bryant, he wins that match-up. But basketball is a team game, and until LeBron gets the team, than people will continue to criticize him for his inability to win in the post season and the fact he has yet to win a ring. But, do you honestly believe LeBron can not dominate a post season series? Because, to me, he has done it a number of times. Do you not think it would be incredibly difficult for Kobe or Dwyane Wade or even Michael to win with his past two Cavalier teams? I thought those teams possibly had the pieces, but really it was foolish optimism and hope. My hope is that LeBron gets a legitimate chance to play with great players, and I think he might need to leave Cleveland to do that.
I just dont know what people expect from LeBron. Obviously expectations of him are too high, I mean he is not GOD. It seems like thats a shortcoming people wont let him live down. Simply put, Cleveland is not the team and Brown is not the coach. LeBron gets all of the credit when his team wins, and that is unfair but thats the burden he has to carry because of course when they lose, who gets all of the blame? If you ask me, Cleveland is one of the worst orgs in sports history. They were the only threat to Jordan and the Bulls when they screwed up their entire team chemistry by getting rid of Ron Harper for the rights to Danny Ferry....who coincidentally is in charge of this teams personnel decisions.
I do not want to hear anything else about LeBron. There are quite a few players that are actually on his level (ESPN might disagree but thats cuz he is a human highlite-reel) so let's stop making every third post about LeBron and give some other NBAers some love!
I know you were just sharing that post off of another site, but I disagree with it 100%.
- First, Jordan was 25 years old during the 1988-1989 season, but it was only his 5th year in the NBA. LeBron is 25 too, but in his 7th season due to going pro straight out of high school.
- Jordan led the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Finals in 1988-1989 and it was the FIRST of his career. You can make the argument that it really was the biggest game of his young NBA career thus far. You can't say that about LeBron. LeBron has already played in two Eastern Conference Finals, and a NBA Finals. This wasn't the first big game of his career nor was it the first big series of his career when his team was heavily favored.
- Jordan and the 1988-1989 Bulls weren't the favorites. They weren't the favorites at anything... Not even their own division. They finished 47-35, which was good for 5th in their division and a 6th seed in the playoffs. It's ironic because this is the year Jordan hit "the shot" versus a very good Cavs team in the first round. They went on to upset a very good Knicks team in the second round. LeBron and the Cavs were the favorites to win just about everything this season.
- And let's look at the Bulls' Eastern Conference Finals opponent. The Pistons were the hands down best team in the NBA that year. They won 63 games and not only beat up the Bulls, but SWEPT the Lakers (who'd won the title back to back) in the NBA Finals.
- The Bulls also didn't have the league's best record or play in the Eastern Conference Finals the year before. The Bulls made some noise in 1987-1988 and won 50 games, but they still weren't the favorites to even win the East. The Pistons were, who were the best team in the East and would take the Lakers to 7 games in the NBA Finals. The Cavs won 66 games last season and were the favorites to AT LEAST make it to the NBA Finals.
Another big difference between Jordan and LeBron is that Jordan NEVER lost a series when the Bulls were heavily favored. This is the 2nd series that LeBron has lost when his team was heavily favored... This season, they didn't even make it the the Eastern Conference Finals.
To make Jordan equivalent to LeBron, he'd have had to lose to Detroit in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals AND then to New York in the 1992 Conference Semifinals.