I want to start this by saying I did not put this together but found it interesting so I thought I would share it. I don't by any means think that Beasley will be Carmelo but I think too many people are writing him off too quickly.
I think there's far too much concern about whether Beasley is a PF or SF. It doesn't really matter any more than it matters for Carmelo Anthony. Beasely is a highly skilled, athletic (yes, athletic) scoring machine who can also rebound and do other things. His college numbers were nearly identical to Kevin Durant's and better than Melo's. But what about Beasley's disappointing two seasons in the NBA? Well, if you take a closer look, Beasley's two NBA seasons aren't so bad after all. In fact, his production is right in line with Melo's production his first two NBA seasons. Consider the following 35 minute per game stats of both:
POINTS -- Beasley's 1st two seasons: 19.6 and 17.2. Melo's: 20.1 and 21.
REBOUNDS - Beasley's 1st two seasons: 7.7 and 7.5. Melo's: 5.7 and 5.7
FG % -- Beasley's 1st two seasons: 47.2 and 45.0. Melo's: 42.6 and 43.1.
3-Pt % -- Beasley's 1st two seasons: 40.7 and 27.5. Melo's 32.2 and 26.6.
OTHER STATS -- Virtually identical in steals, blocks and turnovers.
Yes, but isn't Melo more physically gifted? Isn't Beasley more of a PF in that he's less athletic than Melo? The answer is clearly no. Compare their measurements and combine numbers:
Height -- Beasley 6'7. Melo 6'6 1/4
Weight -- Beasley 239. Melo 233
Overhead Reach -- Beasley 8'11. Melo 8'9 1/2
Wingspan -- Beasley 7'0 1/4. Melo 7'0.
No-Step Vertical -- Beasley 30.0. Melo 30.5
Step Vertical -- Beasley 35. Melo 33.5
Sprint Time -- Beasley 3.24. Melo 3.15. (Beasley's time same as Flynn's)
Agility Time -- Beasley 11.06. Melo 11.40
Bench Press -- Beasley 185 lbs 19 times. Melo 185 lbs 7 times.
Beasley is longer, wider, stronger a better leaper and quicker laterally than Melo. So who's the better athlete and who can't play SF?
I recall some of the recent chatter on this Board about the Wolves acquiring Melo. That was entirely unrealistic. But we may have just lucked into our own version of Melo. Time will tell. The attitude issues are there, but no one knows how serious they are or how much of it was due to immaturity.
Melo's number took off and it elite levels beginning his third season. It will be interesting to see if Beasley does the same. It's really up to Rambis to not blow this opportunity. Rambis needs to give Beasley a consistent 32 - 37 minutes a game every single game for the entire season. That will help Beasley mentally and it will also give us the chance to see just how good he can be.
a SF needs to have decent ball-handling skills and perimeter defense, Melo is better than beasley in both.
and Melo also have a better post-up game and way better perimeter game than Beasley. He has a long way to go to be at Melo level, but he definitely has the physical tools and abilities to get there. He just needs to get his mind right.
I made this comparison the other day: Michael Beasley=Al Harrington.
Beasley doesn't possess the 1st step, handle, or quickness Anthony does. If he was as quick as Carmelo, he wouldn't be the tweener that he is.
This is great.
Where do you find the overhead reach and the wingspan and the sprint time, etc.??
But ya, beasly is good.
21, he puts up 15-6 and is a pf who shoots 80% from the line. Maybe not a franchise player yet, but he is certainly a great starter for pretty much any team if he can not be a drunken headcase
Michael Beasley=Al Harrington great comparison.
Beasley playing the 3
Thanks kobyz...too bad nobody else see's the comparison. haha
If he's playing Pf for The Wolves he'll be a 20/8 maybe 20/10 Pf...He'll be fine in the low post where I see him beating small Bigs with power and big Forwards with quickness...I don't think he's a Sf...But if that's where he starts in Minny then he'll be a Barkley like Sf in where he'll still post up Sf's and kill guys from the Mid Range Jumper and Deep Ball...He needs to get the killer instinct he had when he was with KSU...
@ Iggy ...For someone who watched him in college as a KSU fan....Harrington is bad comparison...Beasley was a far more dominate force in College than Al was coming into the league...
Harrington is a scoring Sf/Pf and I can see where that would give you the Idea...Because Beasley can be a premier scorer too...But Beasley had this unstoppable-Ness to his game and dominate with ease...I see him being close to what Elton Brand was in LA if he plays Pf with a better outside game...If he plays Sf he'll probably be like Jamal Mashburn without the 3 ball as his primary weapon....But he'll be 20 point post up and mid range Sf abusing smaller Sf's on the block and mid post area...I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HIM IN MINNY( I RECALL HIM TALKING TO DURANT DURING THE DRAFT AND SAYING "ANYWHERE BUT MINNESOTA" i HOPE HE CHANGES HIS ATTITUDE TOWARDS THEM...I REALLY WANT TO ROOT FOR HIM AND THE T'WOLVES...FIRE KAUN FIRST THAT'S A START...HORRIBLE DRAFTS...
The statistics given are very similar, and I was somewhat surprised, but as much as it looks like Beasley was very offensively efficient, which is what made him the 2nd pick in the draft in the first place, their is a problem with the comparison. As much as Beasley may have had better combine scores than Melo, you just have to look at the two of them to know Carmelo has a vastly superior skill set. Carmelo has the handle and movement Beasley can only dream of on offense, regardless of whether he posted a better time in the lane agility drill. Not to mention, this helps Carmelo get to the foul line and get inside to the bucket more often than Beasley. Michael Beasley is taller and longer than Melo, and may indeed be a better rebounder, but I do not think he is a better passer, and while people will always point to Melo's struggles on defense, he is at a whole different level than Beasley. This is obviously pointed out in that Carmelo was able to stay on the court much longer than Beasley was. They were both in different situations, but Carmelo was the immediate leader on a team that has yet to miss the play-offs, and he was also counted on by this team to be their primary scorer. Michael Beasley may have been Wade's second banana the past couple years, but he hardly seemed like the second best player on their team and his defensive issues led to him not being able to be on the court for 30 minutes, let alone 25. Also, as the initial scorer and creator in his first few years, Carmelo of course was going to struggle with his field goal percentage more so than Beasley, but at the same time he managed to get the job done to the point where fans were very confident at the time of Carmelo being the right choice, I never heard Nuggets fan saying they wished they had Bosh or Wade, where as Heat fans might have said Westbrook or Mayo might have been better choices due to their all-around games. Melo is a classic 3, he would be a great prototype for nearly any era, where as Beasley, with whatever numbers he posted at the combine (which is something I believe should be taken with a grain of salt, especially after playing 2 years in the league) has looked like a major tweener.
I think people confuse production and efficiency far to often, and that is definitely the case here. Carmelo's production far surpassed Beasley over the first two years, from his first year in the league where he actually outscored LeBron and was a legitimate ROY candidate to his second year where he improved slightly on his first. Beasley was nearly as efficient, as the per 35 minute numbers tell us, and may have shot better and grabbed boards at a higher rate, but their was a reason that he was averaging about 25-28 minutes per game and Melo was probably averaging about 36-38. Also, Michael Beasley had a fantastic year of college, his numbers were shockingly similar to Kevin Durant's fantastic year, even with the second round exit in the tournament (which was great for KSU, who was an 11 and actually beat USC, as Durant and Texas were crushed in the second round by them the year before in the 4/5 match-up). But, all you can say about Beasley is that his numbers were better than Melo, because Carmelo led the Orange to Jim Boeheim's first NCAA title. He had a great team, Hakim Warrick made that famous block on Michael Lee's potential game tying three pointer, Gerry McNamara scored trey after trey and he had a lot of solid role players that complimented each other very well. But other the only other player on his team who made the NBA was Hakim, and Carmelo won the Final 4 MVP after taking down a stacked Kansas squad which featured Kirk Hinrich, Nick Collison (both lottery picks in that years draft), Wayne Simien (future first rounder) and two guys who have played sparsely in the NBA in Keith Langford (a great lefty who is ranked as being one of the top available overseas free agents, though he missed tons of FT's in the game) and Aaron Miles. Even when Michael hit his famous shot to win the NCAA final over Georgetown, James Worthy was the MOP of the tourney and the first pick in the draft that next year. Melo did was has not been done since, led a team to a championship as a freshman, it was and is very impressive. Beasley's team was not as good and was very young, not to mention Bob Huggin's bailed on him after getting him to come to Kansas State in the first place, but I am guessing if Beasley went to an SEC or Big East school, he might not have put up the numbers he did. Not saying the Big 12 doesn't have great teams and was not a tough conference, they are and they do, but when Kevin Durant averaged about 11.5 rebounds per game, it makes you wonder. The guy may have been playing post, and his basketball pedigree was fantastic, not to mention his out of control wing span and solid height, but he was a tooth pick. I think his rookie year he did not average half as many rebounds, and even though he may turn into a guy who consistently averages 7-8 boards per game, which is fantastic for his position, his numbers in college would maybe lead you to think he was a bruising beast of a rebounder, which is what they made Beasley look like as he nearly led the NCAA in the category.
Michael Beasley has a great chance to turn around peoples outlook on him, and he is a great scorer and has a lot of other skills as well. He is athletic and I do not think people should give up on him, though I think the Heat did as they were getting two players in Chris Bosh and LeBron James who would surely make Beasley very unhappy with his PT. I remember seeing Kevin Love throw a full court alley-oop to Mike in a practice session at an HS All-Star game, and who would have thought they would be on the same team so early in their NBA careers? Kevin also had a fantastic freshman year in college, and put up huge rebounding numbers though Beasley probably had about 2 more per game. I do not their is any question to who the better rebounder is now, and I think Kevin and Mike will have a lot of PT together, maybe even starting at the 3-4. But they both have a lot of the same concerns, which are defense and conditioning. Kevin also seems to be a walking timebomb of an injury concern, and I am impressed he has played as many games as he has in his first two years. Beasley has his own issues, though maybe he will have less pressure on a team without one of the NBA's marquee stars as well as having expectations of a last place finish, so anything above that will be seen as success. I could easily see Beasley being the T-Wolves go to guy, and maybe he will excel in the role. Plus he will be learning a new offense that has been incredibly successful in the NBA and he will be playing on a team with some other talented young players who all hope to improve and learn the offense just as he will be doing, so that should be positive as well. It would be cool to see a line-up of Flynn-Johnson-Beasley-Love-Milicic, but I am guessing Brewer might take the 2 and either Beasley or Love will come off the bench. It is an incredibly unproven team, with many players incredibly similar to each other, so very little diversity to keep teams guessing, but at least these guys will be building experience. I wish Beasley all the best in this situation, but at the same time he has a long way to go to reach Carmelo Anthony.
Not at all a bad comparison. More skilled than Al, a better rebounder, but Al might be a better long range shooter at this point and has established himself as being a PF. Good call as far as likely production though.
Beasley was a beast for us in college, yes. But I'm making an NBA comparison. He's not Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony has a more polished perimeter game. Al Harrington is the best comparison.
Anthony is one of the best offensive players in the last decade. Beasley isn't that. Beasley doesn't possess Anthony's mid-range game off the bounce or posting up, he doesn't have the 1st step or overall quickness Anthony does, and he doesn't score as much or even look to score in the post as much as Carmelo does. Hell, he doesn't post up like he did in college.
Al Harrington is a combo-forward who scores score very well, but is an average rebounder and below average defensive player, especially to play the minutes he does at times from the PF spot. He's not always quick enough to play exclusively at SF against some matchups, and too small to play exclusively at PF. Classic tweener. Beasley plays the same exact way Harrington does and has alot of the same deficiencies and strengths working against him.
I like the Harrington comparison.
Both rather face up, than post up.
Both have solid range, Harringtons is better right now but Beasley's range will improve.
Both rather suck on defense.
Both around 6'9.
I think that Beasley has all the tools to become an even better player than Harrington thanks to his insane athletic abilities and general talent.
The problems are:
- Knee Injurie: Injuries always suck, especially if you injure your knee.
- Although Beasley was a starter for the Heat most of the season, Spoelstra subbed him out and put Haslem in many 4th quarters of close games because he didn't like Beasley's effort.
- His perimeter shots didn't fall.
- I think you should be able to get more than 6 rebounds if you play alongside JO and Q.Rich.
I mean look at Spoelstra. He rather had the undrafted, undersized but hardworking Haslem in the game, than the super gifted 2nd Pick. The Heat were never real contenders and I think Beasley should have been able to step up and produce better in his second year, because if you look at the Heat team, he was basically the 2nd option.
Everyone knows how talented he is and what physical gifts he has, but if you're unable to step at the right time, than all that talent and potential is useless.
I hope he can show some of his abilities this year, because he is playing on an even worse team than the Heat, although I don't really know on what position he could play. I think the Thunder already have some solid talent on the 3 and 4 spot with Brewer and Love.
Beasley's rebounding numbers for a PF are terrible. Also, his FT rate per FG shot is awful. It clearly shows that he is a space the floor 4 who shoots jump shots and avoids being a post player. I compare him most to Antawn Jamison in terms of playing style, posting the same numbers, and being a third or fourth option on a team.
Melo is much better at SF than Beasley at PF. There is no comparison
Another thing about him, is he has a poor feel for the game. He is a big time defensive liability and is a mediocre rebounder. Against the Celtics in the playoffs, the Heat were better with Joel Athony and Udonis Haslem than with O'Neal and Beasley. I think he needs to develop his ballhandling skills and improve his jump shot to become a good 3. He has potential, but I don't think he will ever be an all star. He just doesn't have a great feel for the game. His offense isn't nearly as good as Carmelo Anthony's.
Ask oneself, why did Michael Beasley not get the minutes of Carmelo Anthony before trying to comparing the two?
Beasley is going to put up numbers in Minnesota, but Melo made that Denver team competitive right away. There is not a chance of that happening in Minnesota.
I think the perfect situation for Beasley would be Cleveland. They have a PF in Hickson and a huge hole at the 3 which is likely to be filled by... Jamario Moon? Beasley would be assured the start there, and I think Scott would be the right coach for him. It sucks that he wasn't part of the S&T for LeBron.
However, I think Beasley is better suited to the triangle as it will give him some structure beyond "give Wade the ball". He had a decent first year, but the Heat were clearly down on him in his second season. Michael just needs someone to believe in him and give him the keys to the team. I'm not convinced Minnesota is that team, as desperate as they are. We will see though.
Melo's FG attempts (per 35 minutes):
Rookie year: 1,405
Second year: 1,237
Beasley's FG attempts (per 35 minutes):
Rookie year: 1,350
Second year: 1,348
You could probably argue that Beasley had a more efficient first year than Melo, but Melo made a big jump between his rookie year and second year. He took 12% fewer shots, but his PPG increased. Beasley took almost exactly the same number of shots in his second year, but his PPG regressed. And we haven't even mentioned character and confidence. Don't get me wrong, I hope Beasley does well and I certainly don't think he is a bust, but he has a long way to go before he should be mentioned in the same breath as Anthony.
Also, I think Anthony's athleticism has increased fairly substantially since entering the league. He was a little soft coming in, but he looks far more explosive and well conditioned now.
It's always been about how he progresses with his maturation. Remember fellas, this is guy who was nicknamed 'Bart Simpson' during his days in Oak Hill Academy because of all the antics he use to do in class and around campus.
Mike Beasley managed to put up monster numbers during his prep days, because more talented and athletic than his peers, and as we all know those skill sets alone will get you by in High School. But as you advance from Elementary, Middle School, High School, AAU, College, Pro level ball, you will see that it will take a lot more than just god given talent and athleticism to get you by and succeed.
He just needs to get his head right and catch up to where his god given ability is, if he ever makes that happen, we will see him live up to the hype.
i would stop to argue to whom he compares because minny can be happy they got one of the more talented players in this leauge for mostly nothing. i would take the gamble and if He does not play out who cares you gave up 2nd rounders right?
my comparisons would be statwise either jamison or Harrington as well. i think he will put up numbers like jamison when he was good but what more is up to beasley himself. i hope for a lot more because i was a great fan of his ncaa game. remember how dominant he rebounded?
and for the one who asked for wingspan etc numbers: draftexpress lists pre draft measurements and combine results for most Players...
I think Beasley is very comparable to Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson as far as playing style, size, and impact, and I think he'll be a 2 time all star type player who has a solid career, but Carmelo is one of the best in the game right now, and I don't think Beasley will reach that level.
Melo is my man but then I'll have to say, B Easy isn't that bad of a player. He is offensively gifted as well as Melo. B Easy's a hybrid of a SF/PF like Artest. Ability to play both position and dominate at both. Too fast for PF and too Strong for SF.
One thing B Easy has over Melo is his defense, his ability to go block shots and grab rebounds. A lil something my boy Melo needs to do more often to take him over the top to be consider the best player in the league.
Yeah, Melo is a true swingman, but you can tell Beasley was brought up a post player and learned to play outside. He is really crafty around the goal, and I've always liked Beasley's ability to tip in offensive rebounds. Your right, he's a pretty good shot blocker too, I just don't think he applies himself to defense, I think he could be a lot better defender.
AL Harrington is a good comparison, but Harrington is a little old and an okay player. While Beasley is young and could turn out to be a great player on the right team. Miami was not the right place for him and nor do I think Minnesota is the right place for him, as Minny is just overloaded at the 4. with K-love, Koufos(from Jefferson trade), Pekovic, and Milicic. Draftexpress.net compares him to Antwan Jamison meeting Amare Stoudamire. This is some big player that like I said could be, but only on right team, and neither Minny, or Miami are that right team.
I think an uptempo team like the Knicks should have taken a chance on him.... He definitely needs to be more aggressive i.e. draw more fouls, & rebound. He has been written off to quick. This guy can score from all over. Just needs a little confidence. Comparison: The opposite of Kurt Thomas. Lol. I can't think of one but he will be fine considering he should just be a senior.
I agree with you that he is like Melo! I think he could be a bigger melo who is not as quick. I think he will do very well in minnesota if he is givin the mins he needs. I think if they make him the 1# option from day one he will be awesome! Oh and if he gets a hair cut lol..
you forgot to compare work-ethic.
super cool beas isn't even gonna start in minn.. so talks about him getting 20/8-10 aint happening.
he could easily be a 6th man monster, which i think he should try to do.. first & consistently.
Beasley will kill with the wizards he and melo play alkie just look at what he played like at kstate cuz you cant go off of how he played with the heat, he was standing around watching wade and they really never went he will average 20 and 7 this year and maybe more rebounds