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Beasley for a bag of chips

To the poster who was saying Beasley was worth a pick in the 5-10 range, did you see the rumor that Miami offered him to the nets for nothing (Keyon Dooling), and were refused?


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Not sure why they wouldn't

Not sure why they wouldn't accept him. His talent outweighs other problems he may have, but i think they didn't take him because of cap space.

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lol nets are whack for

lol nets are whack for rejecting..beasley is styll so damn young i dont know why teams wudnt want him...i understand the issues he has but he's styll young...i dunno maybe there must be some other reason..if its cap space thats still stupid lol they're in re-building mode..why wudnt they want a young asset like beasley..i was shocked wen i heard this from both poitn of views..miami and nets...weird..

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I agree

This is only a rumor, so it might just be bogus.

But if true it is shocking. What, no one wants a talented recent #2 overall pick for a few million in cap space?

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lol

i suppose it isnt true.

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i woulndt want him

wiht his very bad and i mean very bad attitude and just lazy deamenor why would u want him even for just cap space i dont want this guy on any team i like hes a bad apple

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how about to NY?

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If it's a bag of chips

If it's a bag of chips, it best be a damn good flavor. beasley is worth at least a top 7 pick imo.

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Beasley

The problem with Beasley:
#1 is he's unreliable.
#2 He had substance abuse issues & depression issues.
#3 He's immature.
#4 Plays no def.
#5 Not well liked/trusted by D. Wade
#6 Undersized to play the 2, not quick enough for 3
#7 He's all these things and still makes 5 million per year.

The kid has $100,000,000 talent with Eddie Griffins brain.

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I like Beasley. He's super

I like Beasley. He's super talented, but didn't get the same opportunity as a Rose, Mayo, etc. He hasn't been allowed to play through his mistakes like a Westbrook. However, facts are facts... Teams aren't high on him right now. His fans don't see that. Miami isn't getting a lottery pick for him lol. They'd be lucky if they got a late first round pick. Teams just aren't high on Beasley right now.

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It's a team game... you need team players on and off the court. Beasley isn't a team player in either place.
Beasleys mind has to be "smoked up" other wise Riley would be smart enough to get something out of him.
Any team that takes Beasley on risks his affect(s) on the rest of the team. It would have to be a veteran team with a veteran coach..... and they would probably need John Lucas on speed dial.

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Who ever doesnt think Beasley

Who ever doesnt think Beasley is worth a pick or Dooling is strait up crazy...He plays with the most ball dominate player in the game and in his second year he still averages 15 and 7....If you put the guy on GS he would average 20 at least...I post earlier about him goin to the nets and I have no clue y they wouldnt scoop him up...Great teams build through the draft.
ie. Spurs.
Draft Ducan and find ginobili and parker late

No one can say that 21 year olds are perfect...so put this kid on an okay team with a good coach (ex. Byron Scott)
and watch him blow up.

NETs grab him and favors and add at least one player through free agency (maybe joe johnson) and they will be on the right track

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At 21 you would hope any person would be mature enough to try and keep a 5 million + dollar per year job.
It's not that Beasley has a few blemishes.... it's the serious flaws that are the concern. The NBA isn't about stats.... its about win & losses. A team needs to be better than the sum of its parts.... and Beasley doesn't help toward that.

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Lol about needing Lucas on

Lol about needing Lucas on speed dial.

I remember getting a lot of haters on here when I said I'd rather have at least 20 players from Beasley's own draft class over him as of right now.

Derrick Rose
OJ Mayo
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love
Danilo Gallinari
Eric Gordon
Brook Lopez
Jerryd Bayless
Jason Thompson
Anthony Randolph
Robin Lopez
Roy Hibbert
JaVale McGee
JJ Hickson
Courtney Lee
Serge Ibaka
Nicolas Batum
George Hill
DeAndre Jordan
Goran Dragic
Bill Walker

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Would I want my favorite team to bring in Beasley for the price of cap space?
I would have to say from a selfish standpoint yes. But it would be kind of like a train wreck.....
you don't expect that it will turn out well..... but you can't look away.

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You are 100% correct.

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Beasley

The main reason people didnt bite was they can cap space right now for 2 max contracts, and if they signed Beasley they would not. I think they would for sure except this offer if they knew were only going to get one top class free agent. I think Beasley in th right situation would be a very good player. He needs to be with veteran players and strong tough coach like a Byron Scott or Nate McMllian. I am not syaing he would fit with the TrailBlazers just that type of coach. I think Basley player wise could be a good fit with T-wolves. The Heat could send Beasley to the T-wolves for Ryan Gomes contract that isn't guranteed and the 23 pick. Beasley can help he huge scoring hole they have on the wings, and Miami gets a draft pick and some cap space.

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Not sure how anyone would

Not sure how anyone would think that you'd make sense saying that you'd want guys like DeAndre Jordan and Bill Walker over Michael Beasley. The only players in his draft class that are truthfully better or have more value are:

Derrick Rose
OJ Mayo
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love
Danilo Gallinari
Eric Gordon
Brook Lopez
Anthony Randolph
JaVale McGee

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There are 3-4 teams with cap space that know that they are not in the running for any of the players deemed worthy of max money. With that being said any one of those teams could offer to take Beasley off Miami's hand. It would't take
both an expiring Gomes contract and a #1 pick..... just one or the other.

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The fact Beasley's paid 5 mil per season affect his value also.

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5 million dollars isn't bad

5 million dollars isn't bad for a guy putting up 15 and 7 playing with a ball-dominant player. I've seen worse production from players that get paid way more than 5 million dollars.

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Some team will take him but

Some team will take him but it probably won't be a team with money or atleast until they spend their money. If New Jersey could sign Joe Johnson and then do this trade I'm sure they would but they can't do it in reverse order or they wouldn't have enough money to sign Joe (or whoever).

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DeAndre

DeAndre Jordan over Michael Beasley??? Wow... That's a bold statement to make tez... But I like it... LOLz... DJ is intriguing to me than Beasley...

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Beasleys scores 15 and 7, but typically he'll give up 24 and 12. So where does that leave the Heat? It's the Ben Gordon effect... less is more (less Ben Gordon Is better Ben Gordon). It matters not the point or reb. total when you are the mismatch on the court on a nightly basis.
Other players have to slide over to to give Beasley help on def. creating open looks for the opponent.

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All stats will get you are the Knicks or Warriors.... wouldn't you rather watch playoff basketball?
Miami was in the playoffs inspite of Beasley ..... not because of Beasley

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I agree, Beasley is better in

I agree, Beasley is better in a 6th man role. I think he's more effective in 25-30 minutes a game than in starter minutes. But him on a good team like the Jazz, where he can be a change of pace of the bench is reasonable minutes and he could flourish. But in no way does Beasley give up 24 and 12 lol...That's pretty overexaggerated. He's a bad defender, but the ability he showed playing in less than ideal conditions for his success allows him to have have more value than most give him credit for. JR Smith and Jamal Crawford are bad defenders who require a high amount of team D as well, and they have found success on high level teams. Don't see why Beasley can't at least play on a team with a similar role as those 2.

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Beasley is not the kind of guy to fit in with Sloan or the Mormon crowd.

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@Mr. 6000Do you think the

@Mr. 6000

Do you think the Clippers would trade DeAndre Jordan for Michael Beasley? I don't. Everybody knows Beasley is talented. However, how's his head? How's his confidence? Will he defend? Will he be reliable? Will he rebound? Will he want to do anything other than score? How will he fit in team chemistry wise? How's his work ethic? Is he still amazingly immature? At one point, people worried that he'd take his own life. Substance abuse/depression issues. He hasn't done much to prove his cleaned up that image.

As of right now... I wouldn't want him on my squad.

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Why not? I seriously doubt he

Why not? I seriously doubt he gets in any trouble playing in UTAH. And Carlos Boozer wasn't a very good defender either. He could work, as long as he at least competes on D. In my scenario he'd only be playing spot minutes anyway.

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The Clippers only reason for

The Clippers only reason for not trading Beasley for DeAndre Jordan revolves around the fact that they have already spent a #1 pick on Blake Griffin.

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Beasley would look nice in a

Beasley would look nice in a Knicks jersey I think...could happen especially if they dont pick up any good free agents, and theyve been known to take on bad character and work ethic players before...Randolph...Curry...Thomas...Jerome James..the list goes on

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Beasley would look nice in a

Beasley would look nice in a Knicks jersey I think...could happen especially if they dont pick up any good free agents, and theyve been known to take on bad character and work ethic players before...Randolph...Curry...Thomas...Jerome James..the list goes on

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Where are you getting that

Where are you getting that Boozer isn't a good defender? You've posted that twice. Boozer is a good defender on the ball, not to mention he plays the pick and roll well. Boozer is always talking on D and has good awareness too.

The only problem Boozer has defensively is that he's undersized, isn't a shot blocker and struggles defending players with a ton of length like Gasol, Garnett, etc.

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wow...how old is Michael

wow...how old is Michael Beasley? Can he even legally drink yet? Lets be serious right now...Michael Beasley has the talent to be a 20 and 10 kind of player in the NBA. People who dont want to believe that are kidding themselves to a point that is comical.

Has he had a rocky 1st 2 seasons in Miami? Yeah he has, but he still shows flashes of a guy who can be a really good player. Just because he isnt dropping 24 and 10 a game doesnt mean he is a bust.

Chris Bosh, Lamarcus Aldridge, and David West didnt exactly light the world on fire their first few seasons in the NBA either...they all have turned out pretty well. The point is...for the weak minded...that sometimes, guys take longer to find a niche and reach their potential. Sometimes guys instantly are stars...but alot of times, players take a few years to get it. Just because Beasley hasnt dominated doesnt mean he doesnt have talent.

Does Beasley have some issues? Yeah he does. maybe more than some other guys. But its alot less than alot of guys too. I think Somebody is going to get him for nothing before the start of next season and he's going to be alot better off. He does need to be in a situation with veteren leadership and strong support, and if he is, he could be a dynamic player.

Seriously Butler, look at that list you made, at least half of it is filled with guys who most people have never heard of, cmon man, I know ppl are hating on Beasley but lets be realistic. He's better than everybody but Rose, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Love and Gordon.

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And the Clippers turned down

And the Clippers turned down every trade offer for DeAndre Jordan last season. The market isn't hot for Beasley right now, despite his talent. He's been on the trade block for awhile... Have you heard about any teams jumping up for his services?

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You'd be alone if you think

You'd be alone if you think Carlos Boozer is a truly good defender in the NBA ButlerBulldogs. I don't know anyone that would honestly even agree with that either. As any of the seemingly thousands of Jazz fans on this board.

I think you confuse good effort with being a good defender. You also said Gordon Hayward would be a good defender because he tries hard. Trying hard is helpful on D and allows you the ability to not give up plays as easily, but it means nothing if you can be scored on and/or have to be put on the worst scoring option on the floor to alleviate the impact of your physical shortcomings. Kyle Korver tries as hard as anyone on the Jazz's roster on the defensive end, but he's not what anyone would call a good defender.

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DeAndre Jordan was in his 2nd

DeAndre Jordan was in his 2nd year and plays the position most in command in the NBA. But Michael Beasley has more value due to how much he's produced in comparison to him. If a team takes DeAndre Jordan over Michael Beasley they shouldn't even expect the production Beasley got as a rookie from Jordan. He's not that good.

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@Biggysmalls Where did you

@Biggysmalls

Where did you read anything about Beasley not having the talent? I also didn't say those players were better than him. Beasley is 21 years old and his first two years in the NBA haven't gone well, and that's not even talking about his statistics. Everything Pat Riley was concerned about has came true. That Beasley is immature. Eric Gordon, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, OJ Mayo and all the other freshman that entered are basically the same age. He was getting high during rookie orientation. He's had a substance abuse problem and has had to do time in rehab. There was fear he was plotting suicide. He hasn't been reliable for Miami on or off of the court.

You say he needs to be in a situation with veteran leadership and support... Isn't Jermaine O'Neal a veteran? What about Dwayne Wade? What about Udonis Haslem? What about Alonzo Mourning who works with the Heat organization? What about Pat Riley? You don't think he has leadership?

Facts are facts... Nobody is jumping up for Beasley right now. There's a reason for that.

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@Mr.6000 Now you're making

@Mr.6000

Now you're making things up... When have I ever said Gordon Hayward would be a good defender in the NBA??? I said that he wouldn't be a liability. That he was more effective defensively than people are giving him credit for. I think I know the difference between being a good defender and giving effort.

Here's a scouting report on Boozer defensively:

Defense: A solid, but unspectacular defensive player. Has the strength to hold position on the block, but lacks the length and quickness to contest shots and effectively defend the high post. Is prone to stay on his feet defensively, a sign of good fundamentals, but also a characteristic that makes the fact he is a bit undersized that much more pronounced. Offers little as a shot blocker, but does a great job grabbing loose balls in the paint. Has great hands, strength, and anticipation making him one of the League’s best rebounders on the defensive end. Boxes his man out every play and can rebound a pretty big area. Will close out hard when he has to recover to the ball, and while he gets beat of the dribble sometimes, he won’t take himself out of the play very often. A decent option defensively because of his ability to rebound the ball and not take risks, but limited by his quickness and size.

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Whoops... Apparently I'm not

Whoops... Apparently I'm not too alone there. You're mistaken if you think Beasley is "no worse" than Boozer defensively. That's WAY off. Beasley lacks defensive awareness/IQ, strength, height and lateral quickness. He's NOT a defender. He doesn't even give consistent effort.

Boozer isn't a great defender, but he has the strength to hold his ground. He has decent defensive IQ/fundamentals and yes... Gives the effort too. Boozer struggles when he's defending a player with great length.

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That report said basically

That report said basically all the things I was saying. I don't see Carlos Boozer as a truly good defender. He works hard, but he seems limited by his height. That's basically what that scouting report said anyway. All the good things that were said about him revolved around him being a hard worker on that end. It said he was limited by quickness and his height. If your limited by height and quickness, then you can't really be a very good defender.

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I didn't say he was no worse

I didn't say he was no worse a defender than Boozer. I said he wasn't much worse, which he actually isn't. Boozer usually just tries harder. I said that if Beasley just put in effort like Boozer, he could stick with the Jazz if he goes there.

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Butler...I didnt mean to aim

Butler...I didnt mean to aim that entire thing at you...I was just saying your list of guys that you would take over Beasley seemed odd.

Good call on the leadership in the Heat organization though, that makes me look like an idiot lol. You definitly got me on that one. The Heat do have alot of guys that seem like the perfect "mentors" for Beasley, but I just dont think Miami is a good place for him. He just doesnt seem like he fits in well and has no confidence.

Maybe I'm completely off on this one, and maybe he'll always be a guy that cant fit in and is a cancer. I hope not though, because he had some high hopes coming into the league and I think he has the potential to be a really good player.

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Beasley needs to go to a

Beasley needs to go to a smaller market. Miami has too many distractions for him. He needs to go somewhere where basketball will be his focus.

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Beasley has more talent than

Beasley has more talent than most players on the list, but here's why I'd rather have them as of right now:

Danilo Gallinari - Hard worker. Great shooter. A competitor. Confident. Underrated defender. Stretch four potential. He'll be able to play off of a superstar.

Brook Lopez - If the draft could be done over today, he'd be the 2nd or 3rd pick. He's overachieved and is one of the best centers in the NBA.

Jerryd Bayless - He isn't as talented as Beasley, but I trust him. He's a hard worker. He's hungry. He's competitive. He gets after it at both ends. Only problem is he lacks true point guard skills and can't find enough playing time. He plays hard whether he plays five minutes or 30. He's confident.

Jason Thompson - He doesn't have Beasley talent or skill set, but I know what I'm going to get from him. He's a hard worker and plays with a high motor. He has size and can play the four and five. I know he's going to do other things when he isn't scoring.

Anthony Randolph - He hasn't lived up to the hype, but I'd still take him over Beasley. He lacks strength, but has the height, length and athleticism to play the four. He has real combo forward ability. He's dealing with immaturity/confidence issues as well, but he doesn't have the baggage/off the court issues that Beasley has.

Robin Lopez - Another player that doesn't have Beasley's talent, but Lopez is very solid at a position of little depth in the NBA. He's huge, rebounds, defends and is better than people give him credit for offensively.

Roy Hibbert - Similar to Lopez. Hibbert is a hard worker and has amazing character.

JaVale McGee - Hasn't produced anything close to what Beasley has, but I'd take him due to his upside at the center position. There aren't too many players with the height, length, mobility and athleticism that he has.

JJ Hickson - Isn't anywhere close to the offensive talent that Beasley is, but... You can count on him. He's not one dimensional. If he's not scoring, he's rebounding. He knows how to do other things besides score. He can play off of a superstar.

Courtney Lee - He's not going to be an All-Star, but he's solid all-around. He has decent size for the two guard. He defends, can shoot and is a good athlete. Good character. Hard worker. I feel he can be counted on.

Serge Ibaka - Beasley is light years ahead of him offensively, but Ibaka is more valuable to me. He rebounds, blocks shots, defends and plays with a high motor. Ibaka has more length and athleticism. He's a good character guy too.

Nicolas Batum - He has potential to be a lockdown defender on the wing. He was given that role as a rookie. He's a good catch and shoot shooter and has the ability to put the ball on the floor and finish. Very good athlete. Hard worker. Team chemistry guy.

George Hill - He was one of the best backup point guards in the league. As he continues to improve his point guard skills, he'll be a very good starter. He does everything well for the most part, especially defend. He's a hard worker and great character guy too.

DeAndre Jordan - Similar to JaVale McGee. He's improved his work ethic the last couple of years. LA is a great place to live too, but he hasn't been distracted. All he needs is playing time and consistency. Has potential to be an outstanding rebounder and shot blocker at the center position. Not too many centers that have his athleticism.

Goran Dragic - He's shown he can be a tough dynamic combo guard. Based on his improvement in such a short time, you know he's a hard worker and dedicated to getting better.

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