baylor vs kansas
just got back from school and nobody had started a threat about this huge game smh.
That's because the real big game starts later tonight. Go UNC!
On topic though, I like Kansas a lot but they're down a bit early.
for sure. my favorite double header of all year so far
anyone got comments??
all i had to do was turn on the tv for baylor to start struggling
Jeff Withey really doing work right now?
f this im switching to syr. vs g town.
Did Kansas really just go on like a 36-7 run? I leave my room for like 15 minutes and check back and it's a blowout.
Any doubt about T-Rob over Perry Jones after this game?
Aran, teams aren't drafting for a game thats being played tomorrow, you should know that. Jones is more skilled, versatile, athletic, and better, with far more potential, so yes; Jones over Robinson all day.
I would've agreed at the beginning of the year, but Jones just doesn't have it. No heart at all. Robinson is much more likely to be a good player.
JaminLemon, the game already happened. Perry Jones was a non-factor, while Robinson showed a nice balance of jump shooting and hard nosed play down low. Robinson finished with 15 points and 11 rebounds despite sitting out 7 minutes in the first half with foul trouble while Perry Jones tallied just 5 points and 3 rebounds.
KU has won both matchups between KU and Baylor and Thomas Robinson has put up 21 ppg 12.5 rpg compared to Jones' 11.5 ppg 4 rpg on 9-25 shooting. Robinson dominated Jones in two games.
Jones is probably more versitile, and skilled offensively, but he's not better, he's not more effective and I don't feel he'll be a player who will reach his full potential. Robinson also plays more athletically, and easily out muslces Jones.
Perry Jones can only ride his hype and potential so far, he's going to have to start playing better against good competition. Putting up good games against the bottom of the Big 12 against teams with no NBA posts can only get you so far. Against good NBA quality bigs he's done nothing all season. Robinson owned him twice. Kevin Jones held him to 4 points, he had 8 points against Miss St and Arnett Moultrie/Sidney, and Ricardo Ratliff held him to 8 points. Disappearing against draft quality players and putting up good, but not spectacular numbers against non pro's just doesn't impress me. I think he's used up his hype. He isn't a big game player despite his talent and length and I don't see him turning it on all of a sudden when he hits the NBA.
Robinson all day, I've been saying it since December.
yea joe wolf. you were the first person who said robinson > jones which i thought was ridiculous. but now i see you were right all along imo. robinson > jones.... and props for knowing
I was always a big fan of Perry Jones and wanted him to succeed, even though I have always thought he would probably not live up to his POTENTIAL. He had a solid year last year and I expected vast improvements from a player with so much POTENTIAL, but so far I haven't seen any of the such. I am begginning to lean toward the side of him not reaching his potential more and more as the season progresses. This is the thing that is frustrating about the word potential. Take Anthony Davis for example. He is a player who oozes with potential. But the thing is that players with this much potential also get knocked. People will say that Anthony Davis will be another Anthony Randolph. This is so unfair it's not even funny. Yeah comparisons like that are fair to players like Perry Jones who will disappear every other game, especially the big ones, and even when he is hot he's not single-handidly taking games over. Anthony Davis though has repeatedly dominated pretty much every single game he played in and has been HUGE in their big games (game winning block over Henson, etc.) I think there should be different types or levels of potential when you are comparing the potential of Anthony Davis to someone like Perry Jones or Andre Drummond. I am sick of hearing Davis being labeled one of these "potential" players. The man dominates every single game.
Or maybe I'm just a sucker for wingspans.....
Yea Perry Jones is probably the biggest mixed bag in a long time, I can't remember another player like him, he has all the talent, dominates, then the VERY next game goes back to being very average.
Like was he scared to be a millionaire last year? Because he is still the same player that he was last year....All the talent but no heart.
I wouldnt say he has no heart. If he had no heart and no love for the game he would've left for the NBA last year to start making millions of dollars. Instead he stayed back and is working on his game because he knows thats wwhats best for him.
I think its more so a lack of drive to be the best player on the court and to takeover games. Or maybe a confidence issue when matching up with someone who challenges his abilities like Robinson does. Whatever it may be, I just don't think its a lack of heart or love for the game.
Once again, PJIII disappears in a big game. Not a surprise.
"Robinson showed a nice balance of jump shooting and hard nosed play down low"
If you want to offer praise to a lottery-projected player for making one of three 15-footers (one of which was an airball) and throw in a 7-foot bunny, then you also have to admit this is a historically overrated draft when it comes to the top. It is like the Anthony Davis doesn't need touches argument and that somehow speaks to his value. Not as a franchise turning top pick! The Bobcats and Hornets need players who merit touches, and then make plays with them. Thomas Robinson hasn't shown anything to where someone can say credibly that he can help the New Orleans Hornets get better. The fact that Perry Jones doesn't have any interest in grinding inside against anyone his size really doesn't change that.
No it's a proven fact on the court Jones has no heart, he has 0 toughness,he came back to school to work on his game and try to prove the doubters wrong, but so far the scouting report on him is still the same as last year.
It's damn near March, he doesn't have much time to prove the doubters wrong.
I see the same similarities with Drummond. When you watch him or Jones, you wonder to yourself why they are not simply dominating the game on both ends. Drummond though I think will be able to be a pretty good pro even if he never does reach his potential. He is just so damn athletic and huge, that alone will make him atleast a decent NBA player. I was so excited to watch Drummond this year and came away disappointed many times. Atleast Drummond is showing improvement throughout the season, so there is hope for him. It is just frustrating to watch him and wonder what this kid could be like if he had Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant type desire.
Poor guard play, no sets ever run. Coach is a gd recruiter but thas about it. How can Jackson get 14 shots to lead the team, what happened to your lottery talent forwards. Guard play has always been their prob. Kendall marshall would have that team running in a totally different way. Jackson uses these multi talented big men as bail outs and screens. Hpw can the coach not set up a play or 5 for Jones. and not that stupid thing theyu run to get him the ball on the right block because thats a dbl team waiting to happen. Look at Q.Miller four shots and we know he loves to jack em
TRob might be a nice College player and all that but in the league where the game is more open he will not be anywhere as effective as Jones. where skills rule over hustle n muscle
BTPH, I'll give you that heave at the top of the key was ugly! He forced that because it was a 20 point game and I think he wanted to look cool for scouts, that kinda backfired. But he wasn't 1-3 from shooting jumpers. He had that 14 foot pull up after running the break and he faced up Acy on the baseline for a 15 footer. He's really improve his mid range game. He's also shooting 21-24 from the FT line over his last 5 games, compared to last year and even the beginning of this year that's a huge improvement.
I know we don't see eye to eye and you're not that excited about him being a high lotto pick, but of course he would make the Hornets better. They're starting Jason Smith and Gustavo Ayon at power forward, Robinson is better than both of those guys. Also, he's better than D.J. White and Tyrus Thomas who the Bobcats have been starting all season.
I'll give you that he isn't going to join your team and win you 10 more games than last season, but few rookies are at that level and when they are they're usually taken top 3. He's a perfect selection in the 4-7 range. He's an upgrade over a lot of lotto teams' starting power forward and considering how much he's improved since last season and even the beginning of this season.
I don't understand why some people on this site think he is just going to stop getting better. His improvement hasn't seemed stagnant at any time this season, compared to a guy like Jones who is the exact same player he was a year ago.
It's funny that despite all the draft love Perry Jones and Quincy Miller get the only player on that Baylor squad who consistantly impresses me is Pierre Jackson.
I actually agree with the poster above. Scott Drew can recruit but I don't really like how he uses some of his talent. I think in a different system, Jones would be putting up #1 overall pick numbers.
Pierre Jackson is arguably their most steady and consitent player, yes he sometimes gets besides himself, but for him to be a JUCO transfer and playing the way he is,is great for Baylor, they will already be established next year at the PG spot, and Pierre will be even better after getting this year under his belt.
If Perry Jones wasn't so soft or played with some passion every time out, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but Perry Jones is playing the same way he played last year, look at his numbers they are extremley identical to last year.
I'll do it for you.
Perry Jones III stats:
20% 3pt FG
Perry Jones has came back for what? To lose more money? He was a top 5 pick last year by most scouts and now he's slipped from anywhere to 10-14.
He hasn't improved the same things scouts were saying about him last year are being repeated this year.
Not to make a big deal out of it, but Thomas Robinson's shot in transition was from the bottom of the circle and maybe a half step outside the paint. It was a 7-foot bunny. He was 1-3 on mid-range jumpers, which is what he does (i.e. not good).
Also, Thomas Robinson would not be better than Boris Diaw or D.J. White. Tyrus Thomas clearly didn't think there was going to be a season and is doing his best to make that known, but as overrated as he was coming in is still brings everything to the table that Robinson does. Thomas Robinson is an undersized power forward with athleticism and effort. Boris Diaw and D.J. White have skills. Even though he is still way too fat, Boris Diaw is the best facilitator on Charlotte. When healthy, D.J. White has a good midrange game, gives good effort, rebounds well, and doesn't turn it over. He is also not as good as Carl Landry. Stylistically he doesn't compare to Smith who is a face up mid-range big man. If I have Okafor under contract, it makes far more sense to have a power forward who contrasts that style. Ayon's a big body who tries and will probably need to get more familiar with the English language before he really knows enough to be more than just a big bodies hustler. He also didn't cost them a lottery pick. Investing a lottery pick in someone who does little but trade in skill for athleticism gets a bad team headed nowhere. Give me a point guard who can run a team. Give me a player who can be a primary or secondary option in the offense and make those around him better. Give me a true non-bum center. I have mentioned this before, I have yet to hear one person tell me I can't get Mike Scott in round 2 and I would be getting a functionally equivalent player. It is possible Trevor Mbakwe will be there in round 2 (out of sight out of mind stupidity), and a team would be getting a better defender and similar offensive player.
By the way, of all the highly projected frontcourt players with questionable skills, Thomas Robinson rates well with me. I think he'll have a career, but it will either be as a backup or a 5th option with the starters. I want absolutely nothing to do with John Henson or Fab Melo. Patric Young might not be taller than Will Yeguette, and is having a less than stellar SEC season. Mason Plumlee is the same player he was last year, and that wasn't all that impressive.
personally, and i was saying this before this kansas game and the first time BU played kansas.... but...... i think baylor is def. an overrated team... there O-3 between mizzou and kansas, its not like Baylor was close in those two games against ku, there were blowouts... and they will prob will be 0-4 against those teams after Baylor plays mizzou again which is this saturday at 1:30 at mizzou.... they have size and athletes.... but they can only take u so far.... i mean kansas destroyed them in the 2nd half, it was very very ugly.... that baylor zone is not good at all, if jeff withey can get 25 points with nearly all layups, something is wrong....
and perry jones.... dont get me started on him..... the man is not aggresive 110% of the time.... when robinson left the game, he still didnt really attack.... he is better than last yr... but not by much.... is he scared? or does he not care? idk what the problem is.... but he needs to get it together....