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Battle of The ATLiens Dwight Howard vs Derrick Favors (Measureables)

Dwight Howard

  • Height w/o Shoes- 6'9''

  • Height w/shoes- 6'10.25''

  • Weight- 240

  • Wingspan- 7'4.5"
  • Standing Reach- 9'3.5''
  • Body Fat- N/A
  • No Step Vert- 30.5
  • Max Vert- 35.5
  • Bench Press- 7
  • Lane Agility- 11.21

  • 3/4 Court Sprint- 3.14


Derrick Favors

  • Height w/o Shoes- 6'8.75''

  • Height w/shoes- 6'10.25


  • Weight- 245


  • Wingspan- 7'4''


  • Standing Reach- 9'2''

  • Body Fat- 6.5
  • No Step Vert- 31.5

  • Max Vert- 35.5


  • Bench Press- 14


  • Lane Agility- 11.74


  • 3/4 Court Sprint-




    3.25

With both players numbers being similar at the combine, can we "assume" that Favors may end up having a similar outcome in his career once he gets settled in.


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I have no clue how the

I have no clue how the bullets got messed up.

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I think it's unfair to assume

I think it's unfair to assume they would have similar outcomes based on those numbers. Favors is projected more as power forward than center anyway. But the numbers that jump out at me are favors 6.5% body fat and Dwight only getting 7 reps on the 185 bench. That was when he was still such a skinny little high school kid though.

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Dwight may have been frail

Dwight may have been frail but they were the same size.

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I was very high on Favors out

I was very high on Favors out of GT. Hard to say if he will become a perenial MVP candidate like Howard, but I would be very suprised if he doesn't make a few All-Star appearances.

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I don't think Favors is going

I don't think Favors is going to be an All-Star. He's not aggressive or skilled enough to reach that level, and he's not quite freakish enough athletically to make up for his lagging skill set. I think at best he can be a 13 or 14 ppg guy who gets you 8 rpg, but I have doubts about him being an All-Star. I have serious doubts that he has the mindset of an All-Star player. He seems like a solid starter who has good athleticism at best.

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Jamal Maglorie and Memet Okur

Jamal Maglorie and Memet Okur were all-stars at one point, sometimes it takes a few injuries and a lack of that position in a conference to make the all-star team so I could easily see Favors making it at some point. He's also a kid, why do we make these assumptions about the future of his career will be when the guy can't even drink alcohol legally yet?

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I mean if you have to bring

I mean if you have to bring Jamaal Maglorie into the equal and hope for injuries, then maybe I should say it like this: I don't think Derrick Favors will ever be an All-Star level player. I don't think Favors has the aggressiveness of an All-Star. I've seen Favors float on the court more than I've seen him dominate. That could change, but just how much? I don't think he'll just flip like that, but he could. It takes more than looking good in the jersey and being a good athlete to be an All-Star.

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I think Favors will

I think Favors will ultimately be a Center and I am sure he does enough to get at least two all Star bids.

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He's not a Center though. He

He's not a Center though. He doesn't play like a Center at all really.

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All-Star

I think Favors will be a an All-Star in two years and appear many times after that.

What you have to remember is that even though their measureables are very similar, they are different players. Howard still can't shoot a jump shot, and Favors will be a very smooth jump shooter with range out to twenty feet and possibily 3 point range in a few years.

I watched Favors very closely this last year as he was my #1 fantasy pick in a keeper league, and was a little disappointed in his performance at the first of the year, but after his trade to Utah, he made a lot of strides and started to come around. I think he's late bloomer who will gain confidence as he matures. It was interesting, he played his best defense and looked more comfortable at C in the few times he played there at Utah. It's all about confidence for Favors, he was very tentative because he was fouling and couldn't stay in the game. Once he learns how to play tough without fouling, the sky is the limit, and his natural aggressiveness will flourish.

He will be able to play both positions interchangeably, though I think his defense lends him more to center. He'll put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and simply become a beast in the middle, much as Howard has. He still has some baby fat and hasn't even begun to mature physically, which is simply scary.

20-10 player easily with appearances on the all defense team.

Put him next to Kanter, and look out.

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Howard's vertical doesn't

Howard's vertical doesn't tell the whole story of how freak of an athlete he was coming out of high school. He is more athletic than Favors at the same stage, and even today he still more athletic.

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You're wondering if Derrick

You're wondering if Derrick Favors will become one of the most dominant big men in the game? Ha, no he won't come close to Howard's status.

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wow... i cant believe u r

wow...

i cant believe u r gnna look at combine numbers and "assume" that one day favors will live up to dwight's potential

ITS A F*CKING COMBINE!!

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Hey

Hey JNixon-Iggy9, I bet you've seen a freakin 19 year old in his rookie season float more than dominate. Seriously, look at what your writing. This guy is 19 years old, with all the potential in the world. Now we can debate the limit and realization of that potential, but to say that he won't merit a single All-Star selection because in his rookie season, 2/3 of which was plagued by trade rumors, is crazy, just because you saw him "float" instead of "dominate".

Come on man, really?

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"Hey JNixon-Iggy9, I bet

"Hey JNixon-Iggy9, I bet you've seen a freakin 19 year old in his rookie season float more than dominate. Seriously, look at what your writing. This guy is 19 years old, with all the potential in the world. Now we can debate the limit and realization of that potential, but to say that he won't merit a single All-Star selection because in his rookie season, 2/3 of which was plagued by trade rumors, is crazy, just because you saw him "float" instead of "dominate".

Come on man, really?"

I'm talking about as a whole, since I've been watching him play. I've seen Favors play alot over the past 4 years. He was a good big in HS because he was big and athletic, but not because he was very skilled or aggressive. Alot of times he floated. In college he had to be set up at the rim on drives to be a factor in games offensively, and wasn't very aggressive or assertive. Very rarely dominated competition. In the NBA he floated alot, and wasn't agressive. Sure, he finished the season strong. But that's what all rookies tend to do. Do you see the kinds of lineups teams put on the floor at the end of the seasons? If you're playing a team that has a losing record, they usually play their young guys alot and backend rotation players. If you're playing a team that's in the playoffs, they are resting their starters and playing young guys and backend rotation guys as well. I think Favors will be a solid starter, but I don't see an All-Star. He doesn't even show the potential to play with an All-Star level passion for the game.

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Not the Point

It wasn't that Favors and Howard will wind up the same players, because they won't. Memphis was just bringing up the similar numbers at the combine and asking if you could project they would be the same players.

Obviously not.

We don't know how Favors will mature, who he will become because there is so much growth left in him. He's a much better shooter, not quite the athletic freak that Howard is, and will probably be a much better offensive player, not the defensive player or shot blocker. Favors will be more versitile, be able to switch back and forth between the C and PF position. Probably a better scorer, not the rebounder or shot blocker, but close.

I beg to differ about who he will become, he will become one of the dominant big men in the game, but not quite to Howard's level, who is the best center in the game today.

I see Favors as a top ten big man in the NBA, about on the stature of Gasol or Randolph.

Howard is simply the best center in the game today. I will be thrilled to see Favors even mentioned in the same sentence as Howard. Close but not quite there.

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If by "better offensive

If by "better offensive player than Dwight Howard," do you mean he'll average more than 23 ppg on 59% from the floor? Because Howard did that this past season. I have a real hard time believing Favors will be better than that.

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the difference is

motor

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Favors won't be a #1 option

Favors won't be a #1 option on a championship-caliber squad, but lets not let his demeanor get in the way of our opinions. If this guy was a jackass with twitter and calling out everybody, then what? Does he have the confidence to be an All-Star then? This guy will be a very good player in this league.

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"If this guy was a jackass

"If this guy was a jackass with twitter and calling out everybody, then what? Does he have the confidence to be an All-Star then?"

Thats *YOUR* perception of confidence, I guess. I didn't say anything about calling people out or Twitter lol. That's what you said. My perception of confidence is dominating the way his size and athleticism would suggest he should. And he hasn't shown that. And he never really consistently has since I've watched him play. I don't see him having an All-Star level mindset. He will be a good starter though, as I keep saying.

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Favors has an excellent motor and he is certainly aggressive enough defensively. That being said, he is being overrated by a lot of you.

He is not a center, he most likely won't grow another inch, he's probably not going to be a 20 PPG scorer and he's not on Dwight Howard's level athletically.

He has too great of a work-ethic to flop like some people are predicting. Tyrone Corbin is also an excellent coach for developing bigs. He'll most likely end up a 15-10 player with a few blocks and great overall defense, but first he has to learn how to play great defense without getting into foul trouble, and that's no easy task.

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alot of people forget

that it took Dwight howard 4 years to start averaging over 20 points per game, before that alot of critics were starting say that he would never amount to an all-star caliber player (we all know how that turn out). I believe Derrick Favors would never be the defensive force that Dwight is in the paint, but I think he has more potencial offensively since got a better chance to develop a mid-range jumpshot. Plus, if Al jefferson helps him work on his post moves he can accelerate the process and start being more productive offensively. Most players dont hit the prime of their career until they are 28 years old so I think it would be a little unfair to say that this kid (20 years old) wont be nothing more than a role player for the rest of his career.

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btw i was reading in sports

btw i was reading in sports illustrated that dwight howard can pump out 27 reps on the 225 lb. bar which would be equivalent to about 45 reps on 185...lol

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Better Offensive Player?

"If by "better offensive player than Dwight Howard," do you mean he'll average more than 23 ppg on 59% from the floor? Because Howard did that this past season. I have a real hard time believing Favors will be better than that."

The number of points Favors scores isn't the deciding factor of how good an offensive player he is. Gasol is a better offensive player than Howard, and doesn't average as many points.

It all depends on the offensive schemes of the respective teams. Obviously Howard commands a very large percentage of the inside the paint chances for the Magic.

Will Favors average 23 a game? Maybe...But I think that would indicate the Jazz had no one else to go to, and were forcing the ball into Favors too much. I think that is where the Jazz failed with Stock and Malone, not having other options to score and take the burden off of Malone.

I'd ideally like to see the Jazz have a more balanced attack, with four or five starters averaging over 15 points a game, and seven players in double figures. Merely as an example, and not projecting this is what they actually do average, what I'd like to see is Favors averaging about 20 and 11. Similar numbers for the center, and the other starters over 15 a game.

When Howard has to average 23 a game for the Magic to win, I think it creates problems with the offense. There needs to be more options for the Magic to score inside. Having a decent big man next to Howard would be a big boost for their offense, and create more open shots for the bombers.

Also, remember Howard gets a lot of points off of offensive rebounds and hustle plays. If he only had a jumpshot......

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For the bench press reps,

For the bench press reps, remember, Favors is a year older because he went to college, and a year is alot when you are talking about guys that young. A year later, I bet you Dwight was up ot at least 12.

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i give up

i dont see why yall gotta be haters. Favors is one of those guys you either believe he will succeed or he will be a bust. Just because he has the same measurables to Howard doesn't mean he has to have the same statistics in the nba as Howard. I think he will have a successful career but being a jazz fan i guess i am biased. Someone mentioned above that Corbin is good at developing bigs. I agree just look what he did for Okur he turned him from a jump shooting center to having a decent inside game as well. Also i think Jazz management accept the fact Favors is 19and needs time to develop where in NJ he was little more than "Melo Bait". I think he makes multiple all star appearences in a couple of years.

One question how was howards offensive game before he started working with Ewing? he probably mostly got by on "potential" kind of how Favors did last year. Jazz need to get him working with a former great power forward. I can think of one who told the jazz organization he is just a phone call away.

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"For the bench press reps,

"For the bench press reps, remember, Favors is a year older because he went to college, and a year is alot when you are talking about guys that young"

Remember a year younger Favors was 220 lbs versus Dwight's 240 so where are you getting at with this?

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To me one of the keys to how

To me one of the keys to how dominate Favors plays will be how hard he hits the weight room, if he gets alot stronger and gains 15 lbs of muscle, you'll see him be a big force in the middle, whether as a PF or as a C. Favors already has a better outside game than Howard, he has alot of room to improve but he'll be real good.

I hope the Jazz draft Kanter and develop both Favors and Kanter as their front court of the future, both can average 20/10 or close to it.

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To me one of the keys to how

To me one of the keys to how dominate Favors plays will be how hard he hits the weight room, if he gets alot stronger and gains 15 lbs of muscle, you'll see him be a big force in the middle, whether as a PF or as a C. Favors already has a better outside game than Howard, he has alot of room to improve but he'll be real good.

I hope the Jazz draft Kanter and develop both Favors and Kanter as their front court of the future, both can average 20/10 or close to it.

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that would be an awesome front court to have.

I would like to see that too. If you throw Jimmer and Hayward into a lineup with those two they will make you pay for double teaming one of the bigs.

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I think Favors as he is right

I think Favors as he is right now, has allot of a potential just on the defensive end to keep him on the floor for significant minutes the rest of his career. I would absolutely be shocked to not see him make all defensive team at least twice in his career, as a Jazz fan I understand where the hope comes from, due to our current roster situation he is realistically the only hope we have for a superstar calibur player, I think the offense will come eventually, as well as the jumpshot. In my opinion we have one of the best shooting coaches on the planet in Jeff hornacek, whom completely transformed both Paul Millsap and completely reworked Andrei Kirilenko's jump shots in a single season, wether or not he reaches that potential is completely up to him and the work he puts in.

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Future looks bright

First you cant judge Favors based on his first half perfomance (before trade to Utah). He had to deal with constant rumors not to mention He didnt start out with a vote of confidence in his corner. That being said i think he will do very well and could make an allsatr team or two down the line. We could all argue but its clear his play was much better the second half of the season and i think he will get better from there.

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yeah i think Favors lack the

yeah i think Favors lack the demeanur to be an allstar or even to bring the best out of him, that why i like more Serge Ibaka as the upcoming star big and i think he would be a great player with adding 1 or 2 offensive go to moves

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I think the Jazz coaches and

I think the Jazz coaches and management see the potential in Favors and I think they will push him to develop into the player they think he can be. Sloan was a little different, he just let the player develop on his own, Corbin has worked to help develop young players as an assistant coach and he is more hands on in developing and working with players. I will be real surprised if Favors doesn't develop into a perenial allstar.

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obviously

otherwise they wouldn't have traded an all star for him. Agreed that Corbin is more of a players coach. With Sloan it was like he expected rookies not to make rookie mistakes and his whole pay your dues theory hurt more players than it helped. So what if John Stockton came off the bench his first couple years he was backing up an all star. When DWILL came here none of his pg counterparts were all stars they were passable pg's at best. You remember how DWill felt about that.

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" I don't think Favors has

" I don't think Favors has the aggressiveness of an All-Star "

What the hell does that mean? Did Dirk or Tracy McGrady show you this "aggressiveness" when they were rookies? Granted some guys like Amare come in the L and start intimidating veterans right away, but for many they are just that, rookies. In your myopic view, the rookie year sets a tone for the rest of their careers?

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or how about this flawed view

they didn't average that many points or rebounds in college so they can't average that many in the nba. Stupidest arguement i have ever heard in that case all players that came straight out of high school should have career averages of zero because they didn't attend college.

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Howard was 5 months younger

Howard was 5 months younger than Favors at the combine. Favors is younger than most in his class and could have been a freshman this year.

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A player being aggressive and

A player being aggressive and assertive is partially their own personality , part self confidence, part how coaches treat them.. Coaches can have alot to do with how much aggresiveness a player plays with. Alot of rookies play timid or scared or reluctant to assert themselves either because of the coaches or because of a lack of confidence or feeling comforable in the system etc. Once they learn the system, gain an understanding of what is expected of them, become stronger, gain confidence and coaches give them more of a green light, they will become more assertive, aggresive and if they have the ability they will become more dominate. Give Favors another yr or two and we will see whether or not he has the drive from within to be great.

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"What the hell does that

"What the hell does that mean? Did Dirk or Tracy McGrady show you this "aggressiveness" when they were rookies"

Tracy McGrady and Dirk Nowitzki would have dominated at Georgia Tech. And I know McGrady was more aggressive and showed the ability of a superstar at Mt. Zion in NC. Derrick Favors? All his All-Star potential talk is because he's athletic and has good size. Dirk and McGrady had Superstar potential and proved it by dominating, no matter what level they were at. Favors didn't dominate like them. He has never really shown the mindset going out there and dominating consistently.

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@JNixon uhhhhh yea favors was

@JNixon uhhhhh yea favors was only the Naismith player of the year in high school in 2009, no big deal though, we can only hope he is half as successful as T-Mac who had that great playoff run year in and year out.

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He was a 6'9 220 PF who could

He was a 6'9 220 PF who could catch and finish whenever he wanted against guys who weren't his size or as athletic as he was. That doesn't make him dominate or aggressive, because he wasn't dominate when he went up against top level competition consistently either.

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39 points 21 rebounds vs

39 points 18 rebounds vs Demarcus Cousins (got the better of him 3 of the 4 times they matched up)

30 points 20 rebounds vs Perry Jones

25 points 17 rebounds vs Keith Gallon

Yeah really wasn't dominated against top level competetion. Favors was also pretty damn good when he was able to stay out of foul trouble at Ga Tech.

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His ceiling is in the Chris

His ceiling is in the Chris Bosh/LeMarcus Aldridge range.. Bosh is good but D12 is great.. Howard is light years ahead defensively with an expanding offensive game.. Favors will be a better shooter and have a better face up game.. Ask your self.. Who displayed the passion to have the better career from day one? Howard. Who will have the most influence on a winning teams success? Howard.

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isnt mt zion a high school?

so i guess a high school game were favors had 42 points 20 rebounds and 12 blocks isn't being aggressive enough wtf. So once favors gets out of the first round of the playoffs he's already had a more productive career than mcgrady is that what you're saying. Wasn't McGrady on one of those teams that had one of the longest losing streaks ever.

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I haven't seen Favors play a

I haven't seen Favors play a lot his rookie season but he was definitely very aggressive in high school and at Ga Tech.

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All I'm saying is that

All I'm saying is that Derrick Favors doesn't seem like an All-Star-type to me. He's not as aggressive in his mindset as I think an All-Star-type player is. He has the physical tools and athleticism that you like, but I'm not sure I think he's a star type of player. Solid starter I think he can be, but an All-Star-level player? I do have doubts.

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"I haven't seen Favors play a

"I haven't seen Favors play a lot his rookie season but he was definitely very aggressive in high school and at Ga Tech."

He wasn't all that aggressive at all at Georgia Tech. He had some games were he was a strong at the end of the conference slate but there was also times were people were questioning how good he was because he was very unproductive. That's what I remember about Favors at Tech. He wasn't as dominate overall as he should've been.

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He didn't dominate because he

He didn't dominate because he couldn't stay out of foul trouble and his head coach was an idiot. Not to mention he had to share touches with Lawal. When he stopped getting in early foul trouble he averaged 18 and 9.

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He didn't dominate because he

He didn't dominate because he couldn't create offense and never demanded the ball, as well. Even when he was getting production is was basically off easy catch and finish plays.

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