Barnes and Henson with career days
Both players had career days and have looked great. Harrison found his stroke today and hasn't really forced any shots (except for the heat check 3 pointer). Barnes has 25 points, on 10-16 shooting and 5 rebounds. John Henson has 16 points, 18 rebounds and 7 blocks.
Like I said before, Barnes is getting comfortable. I don't think NC state is a good team but this is a good game for him to regain confidence.
For Henson, I told Lake Show, man's been improving.
Henson didnt show anything on offense that he hasnt done all season. A couple of post moves and alot of put backs/hustle buckets. HE's long ,good shot blocker but his skill set is still low. He can be a good off the bench player for a NBA team for a couple of years. Not someone you pick high though. And NC State sucks we all know that
If this is a weak draft (the believe is that it is) then why not use a top 15 pick on Henson?
Weak draft as far as Franchise players. Other then that it is not a weak draft. Lot of players that can start and help teams. The same people who say this is a weak draft is the same ones who said Last year was a weak draft( said one of the weakest ever)
is it possible to see Harrison's highlights from this game..so SO interested about it
“If this is a weak draft (the believe is that it is) then why not use a top 15 pick on Henson?”
I really think this is a good power forward crop, and certainly find it to be the deepest position in the draft. Kanter has said he doesn’t like playing center and views himself as a power forward. Perry Jones is somewhat stuck between a 3 and a 4 right now. Sullinger is a prototypical power forward and as solid a performer as they come. Derrick Williams is more safely projected as a 4 than a 3, though if his shot continues to develop could end up being a more difficult matchup at the 3. Still, 6’9” 230 lbs and a 7’0” wingspan is plenty big for the 4. Trey Thompkins and Nikola Vucevic are skilled and smart power forwards who could end up getting a bump in value if a team thinks that they could end up playing center as well. Both are 6’10” with good wingspans. Marcus and Markieff Morris really took over at KU when Cole Aldrich left and have looked nothing short of solid. Tristan Thompson has really come on since the end of the first semester and been as productive as Perry Jones since then. Yancy Gates is a physical menace who is hidden in that slow as molasses Cincy system. Other than the Syracuse game where he got hurt, he has been solid as a rock. Ricardo Ratliffe flies under the radar at Missouri, but he has the physical makeup of an NBA power forward. The Missouri system isn’t exactly made for big numbers, but he is productive. JaJuan Johnson is still a twig, but it is hard to overlook the year-to-year growth he has made while at Purdue. It shows he is a worker, and the length is there as well. Trevor Mbakwe may or may not declare, but he is an athletic freak with a high motor. Kenneth Faried is kind of a smaller, mid-major Mbakwe. Rick Jackson and Matthew Bryan-Amaning are two more guys who would be better projected as centers, and both might have the wingspan to pull it off. Justin Harper and Jon Leuer might be able to find a suitor as a stretch 4. Henson has potential, and is a little like Larry Sanders. I think a team would be justified in taking him because of the flashes he shows, but I do not believe a team can take him and expect much of a contribution anytime soon. Whether he returns for another year or not, he has to more work to do to get himself ready.
You compare him to Larry Sanders and Ekpe Udoh, I think Henson should be able to come in and provide in spurts. If the AK comparisons continue to show, which I think they will, I feel he could be a pick between 12-19.
Also, look at those teams in that range: Atlanta, Utah, Denver, New York, Portland, Charlotte. I think he'd be able to develop and grow on alot of those teams. I don't suggest he go to a team where he's expected to start, but if someone like Portland or Denver took him and decided to bring him up slowly, I feel he can be something good.
Alot of Barnes' points comes from mid range jumpshots, I still have yet to see him constantly create shots or slash to the basketball. Im still waiting for a "wow" type play that shows hes a top 5 pick. He looks very average athletically and has average 1st step.
I actually think that this year's draft is alot like the 2009 draft. A lot of great role players but not really any franchise players. Wait till the 2012 draft for the franchise players.
2009 draft had The Blake Show in It....
Well...how many franchise players are in the 2012 draft?
Terrence Jones and Brandon Knight could be championship pieces in the right systems. Btph already talked about the deep crop of power forwards, Jimmer, Kemba and Selby will all be drafted in the top 25...a guy like Jajuan Johnson or John Henson could become a top 10 pick...There are a few interesting European players that break the mold of the soft euro...Harrison Barnes started the year the consensus # 1 pick and is being forced by posters and scouts to stay in school...I am in the small circle of fans that thinks this draft is the biggest draft in a long time because of the youth and potential of a lot of prospects, they ate all at the very least role players and highlight reel picks...next year will be a very good draft with the so called franchise players but this could be the building block draft class, the ROBIN draft...Next years crop can be the BATMAN draft...
Alright...who are the potential Robins in next seasons draft then?
U mean Batmans
Alright...who's the potential batmans in next year's draft?
Gilchrist, Rivers, Miller, Davis are four potential franchise changers; that will be a very strong draft class if they all declare.
Henson is painfully skinny, but the thing that gives me hope for him at the next level is that he doesn't shy away from contact and really works hard on the glass. He's not a guy who's going to be able to bulk up really big, I think he'll be somewhere between Birdman and a shorter Joakim Noah at the next level.
Wow interesting franchise changers are yet to log a collegiate minute yet. Haven't we learned anything from Harrison Barnes? And haven't we learned from the era of the high school eligible prospects, its nearly impossible to project franchise changers from that level..
Exxxxactly my point. We don't know franchise changers yet. Let's slow down.
Yeah that'd be why I said potential franchise changers, but the type of games these guys possess are more in line with what we expect of a franchise player than any players in the current draft in my opinion, barring Irving, who could really turn things around for a struggling team even if he wouldn't be a true franchise player.
Barnes was so overhyped because of the weakness of this draft class in comparison to recent years when there has been an obvious first pick and people clung to Barnes as the guy to fill that role. Also, I wouldn't give up on him yet, he'll find his groove in the next few years, whether it's in college or the NBA, I have no doubt of that.
I was never sold on Barnes being a franchise talent, and have said from day one i thought Perry Jones was the best player in this year's freshman class. Everybody kept telling me no he don't have that killer instinct Barnes is closer. Guess what Jones III is averaging nearly 3 more points per game this year and has already had like 4 20 point games while Barnes got his first tonight.
With that said I might of jumped the horn on Jones III a bit too because Terrence looks like the better Jones at this point because he is close to being a year younger and is more polished both offensively and defensively. Do not even counter with the tweener thing because Terrence is gobbling up rebounds and blocked shots at a higher rate the Perry despite being nearly 2 inches shorter.
Sullinger, Irving, Kanter, and both Jones I think could be franchise talents along the lines of a Aldridge. When I say franchise talent I don't mean James, Kobe, and the Wades of the world. I simply mean a number one option on a playoff team eventually.
And and BTPH is very right about this depth of forwards in this years draft and he didn't even mention Jonas, Vessely, or Mason Plumlee 3 other very intriguing prospects who with good workouts could move into the lottery.
Who do you guys think is better now and for the future, Mason Plumlee or Henson. I think Plumlee but I am still very intrigued by Henson. I think he needs to develop his perimeter game more while he gradually adds weight to be effective at the next level.
And Scarecrow I loved your Batman, Robin analogy for the 2 drafts that was dead on the money and I agree.
Quincy Miller, Austin Rivers, Michael Gilchrist, LeBryan Nash, Anthony Davis, and James McAdoo who is IMO a better prospect then Barnes. McAdoo will go to UNC and actually do damage and have an impact, why? Because unlike Barnes, McAdoo not only possess' the size and polish, but has the athleticism and that mean streak to come in right away and contribute. The only play out of the names I listed who I don't feel has number one option potential is Anthony Davis who could easily be the best out of all of them but is still very raw.
And with that said if 2012 if the Batman draft, 2013 with Drummond, Coleman, Austin, and Bhirch could very well be the SUPERMAN draft. And Coleman is a better prospect then Drummond right now you heard it here first.
Coleman is not better then Drummond. I live upstate and watch Coleman play all the time, he's Zach Randolph minus some of Randolph's post moves. Drummond is a Dwight Howard/Andrew Bogut like dude.
Not True. Before the season Barnes and Perry were considered potential franchise changers as well.Every year there are "potential" franchise changers. Rivers,Davis,Miller,Gilchrist are no more Franchise changers then Jones and Barnes were or the top players the year before them. They all did well in hs and lead there teams ( davis hasn't been able to lead his team though i think they are at or under .500, not sure any future franchise changer has done that). Yeah they have potential but not so much where its anymore likely they will be then what Barnes was considered as a SR
Let Gilchrist, Rivers, Miller, Davis play a game in college before naming them future NBA franchise players.
He didn't say they will he said potentially. Just like a coach recruits a kid because they could potentially help his program when games even when the kid is only a Jr
you will never know if there are franchise players there..i remember 2008 draft was named as weak because of too much freshmen.. now at least Rose Westbrook and Love are stars/superstars and Beasley Gordon are rising this year..same with D.Wade he was 5th pick 22yr old rookie with no jumper and undersized size..now he is arguably top3 player in the NBA in recent years.
"And and BTPH is very right about this depth of forwards in this years draft and he didn't even mention Jonas, Vessely, or Mason Plumlee 3 other very intriguing prospects who with good workouts could move into the lottery."
Vesely is a small forward. He doesn't played the 4 with Partizan, and is nowhere near big enough to be an NBA 4 in anything but a smallball lineup. Jonas Valanciunas and Plumlee are centers. Neither have the skills to be a 4.
I don't remember that at All. I remember people saying 2008 was one of the better drafts in a very long time.
From what i hear Vessely is long enough and athletic enough to play the four. plus he can gain weight and strength from training in the NBA
Yea word, 2008 was seem deep in all levels. 1st and 2nd. Vessely is gonna be alot like Jonas Jerebko, a long 3 who can play 4 but you don't want him playing 20mpg there.
Yes, the 2009 draft had the Blake Griffin in it, but he was the only franchise player in that draft. There are 59 other spots a lot of which were filled by current and potential role players. That's what I meant, DUHH. I didn't say that ALL of the 2009 draft were role players but a bunch of them. Don't assume. And look at the 2012 draft, like half of the lottery is full of franchise players. So if you want to see franchise players wait till 2012.