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Ball is way off. ...

Last six games:

21 % from the field

14 % from 3

31 % from FT line.

Was 1 for 12 from 3 tonight ... why would you chuck 12 3-pointers?


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Coz his daddy told him he was

Coz his daddy told him he was better than Steph Curry!

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They usually don’t redo your

They usually don’t redo your shot entirely at the pro level, but Magic talked about doing so before Ball hit a stride. That stride is gone. I say throw it out, start over. I think the kid works hard enough to pull it off. It’d be a couple years before it started to fall. But it ain’t exactly falling now.

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I would be surprised if the

I would be surprised if the Lakers didn't work on fixing Lonzo's jump shot. Players only get away with nontraditional jumpers when they are strong shooters which Lonzo has proven he simply is not. It would be interesting to see what kind of player Lonzo would be in the NBA with a consistent shot.

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I hate to say it

I hate to say it... No, actually I don't. "I TOLD Y'ALL"!!! If he proves me wrong in the future, more power to him, but right now he is playing in to all the warning signs I talked about ahead of the draft. Shot, pressure, attitude, body language. He looks and plays like he doesn't want to be there. I hope I am wrong and he has a HOF career, but man am I concerned.

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The reason he is taking 12

The reason he is taking 12 3’s is because he almost has to. Teams are backing off and daring him to shoot. They are mostly good looks but he just doesn’t have the confidence to make them. The FT shooting is extremely concerning. While I thought he might struggle from the field due to his mechanics, I would have never imagined he would be this bad from the line.

It’s getting to the point where I wouldn’t mind seeing them just shut him down for the rest of the year. Hire a shooting coach to get an early start on reworking his mechanics (because it’s going to have to happen). Basically start from scratch. I’m not sure it’s something that can be done in one offseason but the team just has too much invested in this kid not to give him every opportunity to succeed. A sports psychologist would probably be a good idea too. Hopefully his father won’t get in the way or things could get ugly.

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No one "has" to shoot 12 3's

No one "has" to shoot 12 3's in a game. There's a reason teams are daring him to shoot. I'm all for taking the open shot, but if it's not falling (and his never really is) then attack or move the ball. I wrote before the season that he was gonna struggle horribly, and caught hell for it. You can't completely revamp his shot as you're trying to undo 20 years worth of muscle memory in one summer. It doesn't work like that. The Lakers painted themselves into a corner with all of their big talk and brash claims, and it's gonna bite 'em in the ass. As I wrote a couple of months ago, I'd be surprised if he's still a Laker in two years.

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I'll judge him next

I'll judge him next year..Brandon Igram played terrible last year and he looks really good this year. Other players had similar stories rookie to second year.

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Why is everyone surprised

Why is everyone surprised that a bad shooter is shooting badly?

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He shot 41% from 3 in college

He shot 41% from 3 in college on high volume. If there was any part of his scoring game that was supposed to translate it was his ability to hit open spot up 3's, at least it was expected of him to hit em at a decent clip relative to other rookies. The rest of his scoring game was below average. He finished well in college but the overwhelming majority of his finishes in the halfcourt were assisted.

I agree with whoever said it's a confidence issue. Teams are disrespecting him and it's getting to his head. For floor balance purposes he HAS to take open 3's though. Now I didn't watch this 1-12 game, but if he's mixing in step back 3's and other forced 3's off the bounce then I'd have a problem with him taking that many. But if they're open 3's within the flow, he has to take them. Floor balance aside, it's like the only shot that he can get in the halfcourt given his offensive skillset. He doesn't have the quickness or handle to attack sagging defenses successfully and he's not a PnR threat either bc of his inability to hit the mid.

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He’s a rythym shooter right

He’s a rythym shooter right now. He shot well in college because he had success early and his confidence was high. But if he had played a full 82 game in college I think you would have eventually seen those percentages regress. Those mechanics aren’t sustainable to be consistent long-term. Confidence is important no doubt, but when you are starting with a base that is fundamentally flawed, it’s going to be hard to maintain confidence in your shooting ability.

Beyond the struggles with just simply making open shots, his mechanics make it virtually impossible for him to pull up for a jump shot going to his right or even find the space to get a shot off in the mid-range. This severely limits his effectiveness as a pick and roll ball-handler, which sort of negates his best skill (which is his vision and passing ability). Teams just play him to pass, because he isn’t really much of threat to shoot or finish at the basket. His ceiling as an offensive facilitator in the half court will be extremely limited unless he completely reworks his shot mechanics, which will not be an easy task. That’s why I think it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad idea to just shut him down for the rest of the season and get a head start on that process.

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The college 3 is the pro

The college 3 is the pro mid-range, and defenders at the NBA level are 10x quicker on closeouts. He's struggling because he's a poor shooter with limited athleticism and ball skills.

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I was a Ball non-believer

I was a Ball non-believer ever since, and still am now except with his defense. I didn't think he'd be great defender in the pros but watching him time and time again I'd say he has the potential to be an ELITE defender. Dude locks people down. Glad he proved me wrong in that aspect.

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Lock people Down??? The Pelicans guards Roasted Ball

Rondo & Holiday scored 26 & 24 pts each & Still had something like a combined 17 assists

The problem I have with Analytics Defensive stats is they give Double the value for a Steal over a block which is Ridiculous & the thinking is b/c a steal changes possession & a block doesn't all the time

And if I was a suburban boy who never played the game at any level that might make sense but a shot blocker effects the Entire opposing team by shutting down the lane & allowing Avg defenders to press out on their man, changing the angle of their opponents shots b/c you Want to funnel them Into the shot blocker in the lane so you are coaching your guys to press out & don;t worry if your man beats you off the dribble b/c you have the elite Rim protector behind you

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I'm not sure what stats you

I'm not sure what stats you look at, but good analytic stats don't weigh blocks/steals heavily at all (or any boxscore stat for that matter) and they also tend to reward what you're talking about, paint protection, even if they don't necessarily get the block. The impact is reflected in the final values.

For all his flaws, Lonzo's defense has been legit this year.

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Lock people Down??? The Pelicans guards Roasted Ball

Rondo & Holiday scored 26 & 24 pts each & Still had something like a combined 17 assists

The problem I have with Analytics Defensive stats is they give Double the value for a Steal over a block which is Ridiculous & the thinking is b/c a steal changes possession & a block doesn't all the time

And if I was a suburban boy who never played the game at any level that might make sense but a shot blocker effects the Entire opposing team by shutting down the lane & allowing Avg defenders to press out on their man, changing the angle of their opponents shots b/c you Want to funnel them Into the shot blocker in the lane so you are coaching your guys to press out & don;t worry if your man beats you off the dribble b/c you have the elite Rim protector behind you

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It's a situation of be

It's a situation of be careful what you wish for. The Ball family wanted to be the Kardashians of basketball, wanted to be businessmen, reality TV stars, rappers and movie stars. Playing for the Lakers is a lot like playing for the Yankees, you're in a fish bowl and if you're not ready for it, you're going to be exposed.

His shot is ugly, but so was Shawn Marrions and Kevin Martin's. I think his problem is he is never going to be able to live up to the hype and the pressure of carrying a "brand" like daddy wants.

If he was playing in Utah and had the comfort level that came with taking someone elses shoe money and was simply promoting an established brand instead of being responsible for being the face of building one from the ground up, then he would probably be fine.

Ultimately, after reading through some of the Better Business Bureu reports about how their brand treated customers, they deserve to fail and I hope they do.

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Who corrects their shot

Who corrects their shot first, Ball or Fultz?

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Limited Offensive Package

Due to shot mechanics, it is difficult for him to get a shot off without a step back to the left. He can't really go right and pull up. He has no midrange game, no floater package, and is lacking confidence getting to the rim. In college a lot of his buckets were back door lob dunks, and transition, he rarely broke his man down and got to the rim.

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Its a hard one to fully gauge...

The issues I see right now as you have too many players playing for contracts on this team and the chemistry is a little out of wack right now...

Personally I would wait until he has a consistent team before you can fully gauge his shooting game. If it was still wack then and only then I would look into breaking down his shot and tweaking it further.

By this I mean he has 4 key players that are looking to get paid which means the following will be non willing passers and you don't know when you will see the ball again(aka your rhythm gets thrown out).

Once they have a consistent team: Ingram and Hart back, get their big name F.A's on the team and develop a ball sharing culture some more then you will see his shot become more consistent..

Because right now he is dealing with the following: Randle trying to get paid and not giving the ball up trying to be Draymond green lol,I.T thinking he is going to be a starter-Which he isn't and never will be due to defensive issues,KCP trying to get paid(he has become slightly more willing passer though) and Brook Lopez who is the most willing passer of the lot .. Which has definitely shown over these last few games vs when he was making it...

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He's doing like a lot of

He's doing like a lot of other rookies. Struggling from deep. Anyone remember Kevin Martin? Kid shot 38&20% as a rookie as he struggled to figure out the difference between college three and NBA strength wise and getting his shot off being unorthodox similar to Lonzo's. Following year and the rest of his career he was known as one of the better shooters in the NBA. Body of work people. Lonzo has always been a good shooter and never struggled like he has this year. I see no reason to change his shot now. He's proven he can shoot from range over his career in HS and college. He's just going through rookie struggles.

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