b15's Mock 2.0 with comments
link without comments: http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/40984
link with comments: http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/comments/40984
this is my initial mock post the lottery. im sure a lot will not agree with my point of view and i encourage conversations concerning who goes where, team needs, etc. i placed comments for every pick so it might be a long read for those who would bother.
Had to pop my eyes back into my sockets after I saw that one. Other than that though it was a good mock.
yeah, thats probably my biggest reach in the top of the draft but i really feel that washington should take the best center prospect available to them and thats Len. the way the wizards closed the season was on a winning note when john wall and everyone else came back healthy and im not sure how many more high lotto picks washington will have coming their way. i'd like them to use their picks past the wings when theres need in the post.
It's hard to project this early how any team will fair next season. But if the Wizards end up with a top 5 pick next year, I think Len is a great pick now as they could have any of Wiggins/Parker/Gordon/GR3 as SF's next year. But if the Wizards are towards the end of the lottery or late teens, they could potentially grab Willie Cauley-Stein, Dakari Johnson, Kaleb Tarczewski, AJ Hammons, Mitch McGary, Adreian Payne, or Isaiah Austin as centers in next years draft.
So it comes down to this:
Do you want Porter / one of the centers I listed above
Do you want to gamble on winning a lottery pick (and maybe even tank although they should be much improved next year and shouldn't be tanking with this team) to land Wiggins/Parker/Gordon/GR3 to pair alongside Len.
To me the SFs to grab next year will go early. There's plenty of centers to grab later on next year.
Not to mention, the Wizards already have Nene, Booker, Okafor, and Seraphin, which is more big man depth than SF depth in which they have Webster, Ariza, and Singleton.
To me, Otto Porter is the clear choice, especially since G'Town is in D.C. and he'd attract more fans than Len, even though Maryland fans probably still go to Wizards games as well.
I agree with this thought process but the point is moot because the Wizards are a top 6 team in the East next year with a healthy John Wall and Nene. They were 22-16 when both guys played last year which was good for a .579 winning percentage. I would project them to be fighting with the Nets for 5th place next season behind Miami, Chicago, Indiana and NY.
If you add Otto Porter to a starting lineup of Wall, Beal, Okafor and Nene you should definitely make the playoffs. It would be blasphemous for that organization to tank (which they have been doing albeit unintentionally for the last 5 years) when they finally had a playoff caliber roster. Wiggins is a good prospect but he isn't a transcendent talent like LeBron James. I would say Wiggins impact will likely be more like that of former Hawks Superstar Dominique Wilkins.
It might be a slight reach but I don't think that is out of the question. In an interview with Grunfield I heard him say the player they think they will get at 3 they might have been able to get at 8...whether that is Len or Porter has yet to be determined. I like both players but I would think Porter could help out right away more then Len from both a skill standpoint and an immediate need standpoint. I did hear talk of Len going 3rd overall last night as soon as Washington moved into that slot so it wasn't all that surprising to see it.
I don't think that Len will be that high. I like a lot of the rest of your mock. I'm having trouble placing Muhammad and MCW in my own. I think one of the lottery-range PGs will slip to the end of the lottery, so I think MCW to Utah is most likely.
I think there's zero chance that Nate Wolters goes higher than Shane Larkin.
if the decision for the jazz to take a point will be between nate or shane, i think their interview will be the biggest difference. utah knows that they are not a major free agent destination, so when they draft, they will have to go with the guy they think would want to be in utah for a long time.
i suppose my closest example in this situation was when they drafted Gordon Hayward over Paul George. before the draft, George was ranked higher in most mocks. he was longer and more athletic and a higher upside and dint really have serious red flags about him. but the jazz still went with Hayward, who is working out for them, cause i think they could see that he wouldnt mind being in utah for a long time and would get along with the community and atmosphere easier.
however, if news come out that shane larkin worked out for the jazz and he proclaims that he wants to be a jazz, and the feeling is mutual, then i most likely move him up to the jazz's slot.
First Round Thoughts
3. Washington Wizards: Alex Len - They could use a center for the future in Len, and I guess you could say he's also a local guy since D.C. is inside of Maryland, but Otto Porter also fills a long term need, has a higher floor, and G'Town is in D.C., so he is the hometown hero getting to stay in town. I like Porter here for the Wizards more than Len.
6. New Orleans Pelicans: Trey Burke - Burke could be a good pick, especially if the Pelicans don't see Vazquez as their PG to build around for the long haul, but Vazquez is one of the most underrated players in the league. If Porter is on the board, I think they'd definitely snag him, as he is a better fit now, and they could maybe gamble on Bazz or Zeller, though I don't know if Zeller and Davis is a good combo inside.
9. Minnesota T'Wolves: Kentavious Caldewell-Pope - He's definitely a possibility, and he is taller than McCollum so he has that going for him, but I don't think he is a good enough shooter to warrant taking him over McCollum because of the height advantage. Worst case scenario, McCollum will be a 6th man combo guard. KCP could turn out to be a diamond in this rough draft class or he could flat out bust. I like McCollum as a better fit here, but I can understand KCP as well.
19. Cleveland Cavaliers: Giannis Adetokoubo - I think he'd be a great pick if he's available here, but I feel like someone will take him earlier, more likely late lottery. In a weak draft class, now is the time to take a gamble on high risk / high reward prospects, making Giannis worth the risk when you get into the 10-15 range.
21. Utah Jazz: Nate Wolters - I like this pick. It may be a little high, but I think Wolters will make a good career as a combo guard off the bench, and think he'd be a good fit in Utah.
25. LA Clippers: Archie Goodwin - I also like this pick. He's got great potential for being around this late, and the Clippers need to add more younger pieces, especially SGs as their current SGs are all old - Billups, Crawford, Green.
Second Round Thoughts
36. Sacramento Kings: Andre Roberson - Is he still in the draft? I could have swore he took his name out, but I could be wrong.
38. Detroit Pistons: Tim Hardaway Jr. - I don't think he falls this far. I see him going most likely between 20-30 range.
50. Atlanta Hawks: Ricky Ledo - I still think he goes in the first round. Worst case scenario I think he falls into the second because teams won't want to give him the guaranteed contract after not seeing him play a game since high school. He has so much more potential than the ten guys you listed before him. He could end up a top 10 player in this class or completely bust, but someone with top 10 potential won't fall to 50.
3rd pick: i completely understand all those that would prefer porter over len, but my thinking is that that the with wall and beal already in place, i could benefit more from an upgrade at the post(len over seraphin) more than one at the three spot(porter over singleton). that way your offensive options is more balanced rather than mostly all coming from the perimeter.
6th pick: what you say makes plenty of sense. porter will be offensive upgrade over aminu without loosing much of the defensive contributions and energy he gives. i might make this swap in my next mock if i dont have porter going higher.
9th pick: CJ fits adelman's system as a secondary back-court player able to handle the ball and is a good outside shooter. my issue though of picking him over KCP is due to his size, whats really the difference between drafting and using him over continuing to use Luke Ridnour at the 2. simillar size, similar skill set. neither known for defense. at least with KCP you get a different dimension or option on your line-up.
19th pick: actually had giannis going to dallas before till the rumor came out that dallas is interested in dario. then i had him fall to atlanta but then felt that they do prefer having shooters more than ball handlers based on the line-ups and rotations they used this past season.
21st pick: we agree
25th pick: we agree
36th pick: i double checked and read that he entered the draft to develop his basketball skills further.
38th pick: it is possible that i had him falling that far because he has fallen out favor to me after that tourney. just bad shots after bad shots and even missing good looks. my ideal nba comparison to him is CJ Miles. very talented wing with good athleticism and outside shooting, but waaaaaay inconsistent to be a contributer. i dont really have any teams from 20-30 wanting a player such as him at that point with bigger needs to fill. earliest i can see him is to cleveland with the 31st pick(currently have crabbe there)
50th pick: i think ledo is simillar to goodwin in the regard that they have good handles, size and athletic abilities but are at their best with the ball in their hands, dont posses that great of a jumper and not a natural play maker. having said all that, i find it difficult to give ledo a higher spot becuase theres no good reason to say he should have the ball in his hands over the current guys on a team's roster. and i agree he has more potential and naturally more talented than ten guys i put before him, but he's not nessecarily a better fit, and i base my mock more on team fits than best player available.
I would love to see the Sixers get McCollum. I don't think he will be there but you hit it right on the head when you said he'd fill that Lou Williams role. The Sixers really missed him this year and were down right awful scoring in the half court. I hope they get a legit guard to play next to Holiday that can stretch the defense. Turner has his moments but he is not even close to a consistent shooter. If McCollum or KCP aren't available there maybe they will be the team to scoop up Shabazz?
They are in need of a big man as well but I don't think there are a lot of big guys with upside in the lottery. The only big guy I wouldn't mind them taking a chance on would be Steven Adams at 11.
benny totally agree with you on the bulls front withey a perfect fit and reggie bullock too. i think we need to make a move for love though deng and bobcats 1st rounder we have for love
latest news out is that saunders has repaired the relationship between love and the organization and that Kevin doesnt think there should be any reason to think he wouldnt be a timberwolf for a long time. so it is best not to hope for kevin love trade scenario.especially since since you already have two starting caliber players in his position already.