Austin Rivers is better than Bradley Beal
Austin Rivers is a little bigger than Beal standing at 6'5 203 pounds while Beal is 6'4 202. Though Beal is Physcially stronger.
Rivers has NBA Ready qunickness, Shooting Abilty, Ball handling abilty and wil easily put up point for any team that drafts him. Just a year ago Rivers was the number 1 player in the country by multiple sites. Everyone who says Beal is the next Eric Gordon just doesnt watch basketball because clearly Gordon was the better player at the age. He was much more athletic got to the free throw line TWICE as much and was the better player. Beal cant get his own shot or score at will the way gordon can.
Everyone says Beal could be the next Ray Allen with this shooting abilty and While Rivers is Streaky at best. Yet Rivers shot 37% while beal shot 34% on the same attempts.
I like the arguement....dont know why the negatives.
Probably because Beal is much stronger, a much better defender and can do everything Rivers does offensively without being ball dominant. Rivers might be a tad bigger, but he plays much smaller and isn't a good finisher at the rim. He's a good shooter and he can get to the rim, but he's inefficient and he isn't close to the defender Beal is. Rivers might be a bit quicker, but I'd say overall Beal is definitely a smoother and better athlete.
Rivers got to the line a bit more, but that's also because he shot the ball more and was the featured guy in their offense. They are closer then I originally thought, and I'm not so low on Rivers anymore but from watching them play instead of looking at numbers, I think it's clear Beal is the better prospect at this stage.
Rivers right now doesn't really have a position. He doesn't have the court vision or passing ability to earn big minutes as a PG, but he doesn't have the off-the-ball game of a SG. He is only a mediocre spot-up shooter and doesn't finish at the rim off of cuts without the ball. Beal may have struggled with his shot as a freshman, but he is a pure SG who knows how to play without the ball. The fact than Beal is the superior defender and is solid, if unspectacular, with the ball in his hands, makes him easily the superior prospect of the two.
Is Rivers really bigger than Beal? He's a little taller, but his neck is longer.
Height w/o shoes
Rivers 6' 3.5"
Beal 6' 3.25"
Rivers 6' 7.25"
Beal 6' 8"
Rivers 8' 0.5"
Beal 8' 4"
I'd actually consider Beal the bigger player overall, but not by much.
Good call IndianaBasketball. I didn't even think to look those numbers up. Beal plays much bigger then Rivers does anyway.
no one can use the term 'nba ready' when referring to Rivers. He does not have the refined tools to be a siginificant asset at the NBA level in his rookie year. What I like about Beal is that he is a winner. He doesn't need the ball, and contributes outside of scoring. It is very impressive that he silently led that Gator sqaud that was packed with guards and few other freshmen. Meanwhile, Rivers screamed his team to a first round loss
Rivers may have good shooting ability, but Beal is much more consistent with his shot.
Good arguments, Beal can do everything Rivers can do, but one thing Beal does not have that Rivers has is that lightning quick first step, that is going to come in handy big time for Rivers just wait and see.
first of all Rivers should fix his broken shot! right now he's gonna be a negative chocker, Beal on the other hand is knowing how to get himself into his shots in a polished and consistent manner and so nicely!
Beal as a freshman was the best rebounding gaurd in the nation. Also has a much more pure shot than rivers who has to dribble into his shot rather than just being a great catch and shoot player. Beal can do both.
Beal is NBA ready right now...imo it'll take Austin a couple years before he'll be able to find a niche in the league.
He's too small and unathletic to play the way he does.
Rivers had serious turnover trouble going to the hoop in college. I see that as a debilitationg issue in the NBA. Give me Beal all day.
A quicker OJ Mayo is what this website and countless others dubbed Rivers... A less athletic and more jump shooting Eric Gordon is what yall dubbed Beal... Both shot relatively the same from 3 with the edge going to Austin... Austin is slightly taller and Beal slightly longer... So I think its time to go to the comparisons and what they did in the league shall we???
I don't know what basketball yall been watching but depending on WHAT situation each player goes into (meaning starting from day 1 or a green light) Austin Rivers WILL translate to the NBA faster than Beal... 1 on 1 type players always do especially if they have a green light... Austin has that floater and an uncanny knack for getting to the cup... OJ averaged 18 his rookie season and wouldn't go to the hole as much as Austin will...
I've seen Eric Gordon play countless times... Although he can be shot happy he goes to the hole TOUGH... I mean VERY EXPLOSIVE... There is a reason he's the top 6 SG on 2k while being injured shows how great he really is... One of the quickest first steps in the league... Beal isn't CLOSE to that... I will play yall game though and say Beal's jumper is much better than what it says stats wise... But some of the things that's being said FOR Beal on this thread is non-sense... Beal played with a bunch of gaurds??? So Austin didn't??? Beal is a better winner?? Didn't Austin kill UNC that included a game winner??
You know what?? I think the problem is that yall have seen too many of Austin Rivers games and not enough Bradley Beal... Yall nick picking... Beal plays defense BETTER than Rivers, I wouldn't call him someone that can contain his man... Beal played A LOT of SF at UF... He plays bigger than Austin because of that which is primarly defensively... Beal at BEST will average 4 boards a game in the NBA and that's even pushing it... You can take Beal higher than Rivers if you want to... But a one on one scorer is harder to come by and movement without the ball is something that can be learned easier... Beal makes perfect sense if you have a D. Rose on your team not if you need scoring... Beal's value won't be seen till he's on a team with solidified scoring options... I don't see him having a better rookie season than Rivers if he goes to teams like the Cavs, Golden State, Toronto... They need scoring more than a spot up shooter... But that's just my long ass 2 cents... LOL
I like both players alot..Both seem to be cant miss prospects...
In 2008 everyone and their grandmother said no way Kevin Love would be an all star before Micheal Beasley..Beasley's game seemed tailormade for the pros..He was faster,a better athlete & he seemed destined to be a star..While many had Love tagged as a career reserve.....But Love had grown up in a nba enviroment and he knew the finer points of the game..Which serves you well in crucial situations on the court...And growing up around nba players he's use to everyone and all the distractions that comes with being a nba player...And sometimes off the court issues can affect your play on the court....
Thats 1 of the reasons why i like Rivers a little more than Beal...Rivers going to Duke and learning under coach K,was the best thing that could've happen to him..I would've had doubts about his abilities if he had went straight from high school to the pros....
Its going to be fun watching Beal & Rivers face each other on the court next season....Especially if Beal goes in the top 3 and Rivers last until the 13th pick....Rivers will think he has something to prove...
I've had Rivers going #8 to the Raps in my latet mocks. Rivers has the kind of game that you either love or hate, it seems like some scouts/teams rave about him while others focus only on his flaws. Personally I love the swagger, his confidence in his shot making ability, his ball-handling ability for a 2, his eagerness to attack the rim, but I do think Beal has the advantage in many parts of the game
Damn Tuck you took my ass to the tool shed. Great analysis on Beal and Rivers.
Something you left out though was that Beal is a much better leaper than Austin which will help with finishing in the NBA. Austin's shot is going to get swatted a lot unless he can learn to finish like someone like Rose or Irving. He needs to hit the weight room too...badly.
It'll be interesting to see how both players develop. Maybe these two players become rivals for years to come.
Legit, IQ, all around game, D, shooting, on/off ball player and celebrating his 19 YO on draft day seal the beal.
I like Waiters best of the 3 as well, but recognize that's hardly a popular opinion. I just don't see Duke as a huge plus for Rivers since so few of their guys become more than NBA role players.
I don't like the finishing at the rim argument at all. Austin Rivers will learn to finish at the rim in time. I don't see how we think Beal is a better leader either because Austin gets up. They are about even leaping. I think with Beal you get that sure fire 12+ year starter at your 2. Like Rip Hamilton has always been. Not saying they are the same player but saying Rip has been a long time starter. Not a all star but consistent starting 2 guard. With Rivers you get that explosive scoring mentality. Scoring wise I think he is Monte Ellis with better range at the same age. Now the question with Rivers is, does he just score at the next level? If so, he is a sixth man. If he can learn to guard people better and get people involved with passes, I think he is a multiple all star guy. If he can put his game together and contribute more than scoring, I see a 25ppg guy for years.
Players without huge strength or athletecism rarely learn to finish at the rim. They seem to either have it, Harden and Kyrie, or not the plethora of guards in this mold who don't make it.
Anyone has the total % of shoots made at the rim for Beal and Rivers? I wan't to see if this "rivers isn't good at finishing at the rim and Beal is" is really true or an urban legend
Yea because 19 year olds won't get stronger. He won't get better practicing and playing everyday against the best athletes in the world. No he doesn't have the same natural finishing ability at the same age as Sereick Rose or Kyrie Irving but those guys are in the small percentage of players that do. Some of Austin Eivwrs so called weaknesses are people just trying to find something wrong with him because he seems selfish. No, Austin knows he is a scorer. He is confident. Weakneases(so called anyway). Not strong- 19 years old. He will get stronger. A lot stronger. Will he ever be a Dwayne Wade? No but he isn't at his peak physically. Finishing at the rim. This is something that will come with strength and practicing against bigger and better players. Shot selection. There is no guarantee that he will get better here but I don't have a doubt in my mind that at 19 years old he will learn the game and play smarter. Jumper inconsistency. Rep reps reps. Doesn't have a broken jumper, with practice every day I have no doubt he will become a good shooter and not just on spot ups.
Austin has things that Beal will never have. Like elite quickness, a nice handle and a hunger to score the ball. Like I said with Beal, you know what you will get. You will get that steady starting 2 guard for over a decade. Rivers could be just a sixth man. But with work on his game, I think Rivers is a dynamic 2 guard with top 5 scoring ability.
Ps- for those that think Beal is the next Ray Allen, do you not remember Ray Allen on the Bucks and Sonics? Neal will never be close to that man. Even shooting isn't close. Neal has nice form but it is super slow.
Noone and I mean noone in their right mind thinks Beal is the next Ray Allen. That is all.
I find this to be probably the most interesting conversation in this year's draft. We've been arguing about this on this message board for months, and it's always compelling. I've broken down my position on this discussion in several other threads, but I think it comes down to this:
If you want a guy who could hit four or five threes in a quarter and erupt for 40, but then have some nights of 1-for-12, but will always be assertive and somewhat unpredictable, take Rivers, because you're desperate for scoring punch and creativity.
If you want a guy who can give you 14-18 points regularly, but will probably have some nights of only 8 or 10 points on only a few FGAs and is probably not going to explode for 40, but will provide quality in other areas, take Beal, because stability and efficiency is what you're looking for.
I dont necessarily believe that. Rivers gets all the attention for a being a dynamic scorer and all, but as a #1 option he scored over 20 points three times all year and one of those was an overtime game. Beal did it five times, being the #2 option to Kenny Boynton.
I'd take Beal but Rivers game is also NBA ready as far as offense. His game is built for the one on one action of the NBA game. He is better than medicore shooter though as someone suggested though by his 37 percent from three where as Beal only shot 34 percent. People can say Beal is Ray Allen because of how he shot in H.S but Rivers shot well in H.S as well but he also Showed to be the better shooter when they started playing better competition in college so as of now there is no proof that Beal is the better shooter. Rivers does have to work on the other parts of his game as a shooting guard, parts that Beal is already better at but this race is closer than some try to make it out to be
People seem to forget that Austin only scored 16 points a game. That is actually well below average for a starting 2G. And he scored those points on some pretty mediocre shooting percentages. And scoring is his skill. He is bad at everything else.
If you are taking Austin you are drafting on potential just as much as if you were taking Drummond. Austin did not produce in college. But he was only a freshman so you can hope that he improves significantly as he gets older.
Hed led one of the top three or four teams in the country in scoring.
Please tell me that was a joke@tallman?? You do realize the averages of leading scorers on good teams right? Not to mention that Duke was a top 5 team
D wade on a team that wasn't as good put up 17ppg as a first year player (redshirt freshman)
Ray Allen 12ppg
Joe Johnson 16ppg
Micheal Redd 17 ppg
16ppg on a top 10 team is a terrible argument. The ppg he had is extremely irrelevant in my mind. Too many zone defenses and how many times was Duke blowing people out and playing other players when it could have been Rivers out there. In the NBA, his 1 on 1 game will thrive, imo. He couldn't get to the rim as much in college because of zones and no defensive 3 seconds. The NBA game is also more spread out. He will be a flat out stud scoring the ball. It is the rest of his game that needs to catch up for him to be a star.