The Argument Of Trading Monta Ellis For Kevin Garnett
Ellis is teh most underated player in teh league, and you're gonna trade him for a 14 and 8 guy on the decline that's gonna retire in 3 years? No.
- Two things. One, Monta Ellis isn't the most underrated. Two, that's not the point I'm saying. Did you read the post?
Look, yesterday, the T-Wolves offered Pekovic and Beasley for Ellis, and my dubs wanted more, but that's what we were offered.
Now tell me, would you rather have Pekovic and Beasley or Garnett. Garnett will not give us what we're missing. We are getting absolutly jipped.
Biedrens could be decent next to Rondo. For his price (9-10 mil for the next 2 seasons), I honestly feel you could get a 13-9 guy who could be a solid defensive player. When the Warriors lost their point guard, Biedrens was the one hurt the most, but with a guy like Rondo, I think he could work in the P/R very well.
I respect your opinion on hating the deal, but at least read the post before &$#%#&@! over the deal.
Look, yesterday, the T-Wolves offered Pekovic and Beasley for Ellis, and my dubs wanted more, but that's what we were offered.
- And that would have been a bad deal for Golden State. You have to pay both guys within the next two-three seasons anyway. Not to mention, as good as Pekovic is, which is good, I do think he's playing over his head a bit. I would argue he is helped by Rubio alot, and gets more of his rebounds, thanks to a Love extending outside the post to shoot more threes. Just my opinion. Golden State would have had to pay Beasley and then Pek and probably would have kept one.
Now tell me, would you rather have Pekovic and Beasley or Garnett. Garnett will not give us what we're missing. We are getting absolutly jipped.
- Please read...
If they are looking for a trade, the Warriors should be able to get much more value for Monta Ellis than Kevin Garnett. Garnett does not make them a team that will make it past the first round of the playoffs( or the playoffs at all for that matter), nor does he make them better for the future.
Obviously a good trade for the Celtics if they feel that the Garnett era is over in Boston....
I read the post but I still don't see anyway in which this would benifit us in the long run. You're points are decent, but let me ask you, would you trade Jeremy Lin for KG?
-As a NYK fan? I'd deal Amar'e for KG in a heartbeat. Moving Lin makes no sense because he isn't making alot of money right now.
The plan is nice, but getting assets in return for Ellis such as Pek and even Beasley would ehlp strength us even more. But to just get KG? KG is not going to turn around a team that is 12-17 with Ellis, now I don't think this puts us over hte hump, and so we're basically trading Ellis for a role player just to clear space for younger players, I'd rather get younger assets instead of KG, because KG is not getting us into the playoffs.
I don't understand why the Warriors would want Garnett in return for Ellis. If they are going to trade Ellis, they need a couple assets with potential in return....not a 35 year old KG.
Biedrins is averaging 2 points and 4 boards, no f'n way would he become a "13 and 9 guy" in Boston.
I think defensively Udoh give them about the same thing KG at his age would give them. Warriors need a center which KG is not. Minny needs a shooting guard. Rubio has shooting guard size so pairing him with Monta would work really well. I think Minny should love into doing a deal where they can keep Love, Rubio and anyone else is expendable to get this deal to work.
After making three different accounts and receiving, literally, hundreds of negatives. You constantly make new accounts and fill that one with negatives. You are the true definition of a moron with no positive attributes to dedicate to the site or hang your hat on.
Saying you're going to "make this argument" to trade Ellis for absolutely nothing is laughable, baffling, baseless, moronic, nonsensical, and downright ludicrous. There are no possible combination of negative connoted words that can possibly explain exactly how pathetic and heart-breaking your basketball "analyses" truly are and exactly what motives you have in order for you to bring such terrible basketball information to the website.
Please, delete your account, cut off your internet access, sell your computer because you have absolutely no business online or near basketball information whatsoever.
Anyone who thinks KG is finished is not paying attention.
I agree that this trade doesn't make sense for the Warriors, but it's not because it's an unfair deal. It's because the warriors would still not be contenders with this trade... so it just makes no sense for them.
While obviously not at his peak, KG is playing very well this year and is still a top 40 player.
The Celtics are one solid big man away from being contenders again
Let the kid post what he likes... no one is getting hurt by it. He understands that when he posts something unpopular he runs the risk of downvotes, so what's the harm? Forums like this are for sharing ideas, not for accruing "points" and playing the bully. You had a choice to read what he posted, or to skip to another thread, yet you chose to read his silly trade idea (which most of them are). If you think the trade is unrealistic explain why, don't just say, "The internet's not for you brah..."
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trade idea were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Glad to see the positive feedback :)
I don't think the Warriors are a bad team, just in need of a shakeup. Since the departure of Baron Davis, this team has been basically a team that has a ceiling of 29-37 wins. I look at the roster, and they have pieces, so I don't understand the idea of adding more pieces, I think Golden State should look to get cap space to make moves in the market. Adding Garnett's contract would move 21 million off the books, throw in Kwame and the Warriors are moving 28 million off the books between two deals.
With the cap space, the Warriors could take back lopsided contracts, or sign guys who help the team. As much as I like Monta Ellis, he's kinda stuck at this 22-5 level, and as a smaller shooting guard, I wonder what is his role on a title team. Ellis' value isn't great where you can get say, Pau Gasol, but he probably worth more then Kevin Garnett, no question there. For the Warriors, I'm looking at it as a chance to make a deal to get cap space, and try to attract FA's.
If they're wanting a crap deal like that, might as well make it Ellis and Biedrins for Gasol. IMO, ellis is the MOST underrated player in the game, but they aren't just going to give him away for nothing. It's that simple. A deal for KG would literally only benefit the C's. Especially considering Steimsma is probably just as good as Biedrins now that Andris lost all confidence and turned into Darko, and the LAC pick isn't a very good pick anymore as it's in the mid 20's for crying out loud. Garbage. Terrible trade idea. NEXT!!
I'm far from being a monta ellis fan..... but I think you can get more in return than just the expiring contract of a 35 year old PF. I think you could try to deal him against some draft picks.... it would be even more usefull.
But GS should try to land a young center and develop him next to david lee (who is a great passer). Gustavo ayon, kosta koufos, tim mozgov, omer asik, kanter....
GS should be more concerned about steph curry' future : he seems more and more injury prone.... they won't trade ellis till curry don't prove he can stay healthy.
I'm not entirely going to destroy this idea. Only a little. I agree with that narrative that you can get more for Monta then KG's expiring contract, but isn't it time for GS to do something? How much better are Monta and Curry going to get? Not much better, In my opinion. This experiment of having two scoring guards simply hasn't really worked. The Warriors aren't a good basketball team, and have never been one with this nucleus. The time is now to move Ellis and try something new.
If we want to save cap through trading Ellis, wouldn't we much rather trade Ellis for say Utah's Number 1 and our own number 1???
There are much better ways to save cap than to basically give away Ellis for a rapidly aging vet that's already 35.
Yep, I'm going to make this argument. The Golden State Warriors should trade Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrens to Boston for Kevin Garnett, LAC's 2012 1st round pick and Greg Stiemsma.
When you look at Boston, you don't have many assets to build around. I'm probably the biggest Rajon Rondo fan, and you could make the case he's probably the best point guard outside of Chris Paul that you would want running your offense, but I don't see him as a guy who can carry a team to 40 wins. Paul Pierce is getting older and can't be relied upon. Also, Pierce was also involved in a lottery already, you kinda don't want to put him in that situation again. Monta Ellis would be perfect for this situation. Ellis and Rondo are good defenisve players (Ellis more off the ball), and you have a nice starters at 1-3, with Rondo and Ellis in their prime years. Biedrens is the gem in this deal. You give Biedrens a point guard who could make his life easier in Rondo, you could see the rebirth of Biedrens, or even see him put up similar numbers to Marcin Gortat. Boston also has Ray Allen as a trade chip as well.
Golden State is in the middle of the West, and you don't have any real way to go. The Warriors have enough talent to win 30, but not enough to win 45 in the West. The Warriors have a nice young core of Udoh, Curry, Thompson, and Tyler, who I like. Give the Warriors a defensive veteran like Garnett and now you have something interesting. At the very worst, KG is exposed, and you drop him off the books for 21 million, but I look at the potential roster for GSW, the rotation of Curry, Rush, Wright, Lee, Garnett, Udoh, Robinson, and Thompson could be something nice. Oddly enough, if it's fails, Golden State now has some cap space to throw to a team, and Golden State's pull potential is rather...untapped. Think about Golden State, other then Baron Davis, this team has always had younger stars (Richmond, Hardaway, Webber, Spreewell, Jamison, Arenas, Richardson, Ellis, Curry, Lin(kidding)) and with these young guys, and a coach like Mark Jackson (Who I think is actually nice, knows when to capitalize momentum), the Warriors could be able to attract a couple nice FA's, or even hold the money for guys coming down the line ( Brandon Jennings, Serge Ibaka, etc). The 2012 pick will replace the pick they have to send to Utah, and I think they could look at someone like Tyler Zeller, Fab Melo, Kevin Jones, or even a guy like Meyers Leonard if he falls.
I know it's not going to happen, but thoughts? Also, please no Ellis > Curry debates. As great as Monta Ellis is, Stephen Curry is the better player.