With a core group of veterans, Harris, Jefferson, Millsap, Bell, and Howard, many experts predicted the Jazz to compete for the playoffs while slowly bringing along their your nucleus of Burks, Hayward, Evans, Favors, and Kanter. But, after having been blown out on consecutive days the question is no longer 'will we make the playoffs?', but 'Who's in this years draft?'
I got into a conversation today with a co-worker about how bad the Jazz are when he asked, 'just how bad are these guys?'. I told him that they are the worst team in the league. It's not all their fault. You can blame Corbin, or Management, but some things were beyond their control.
Jefferson can score in the post but does so fairly inefficiently. He scores, rebounds, blocks shots, and almost ALWAYS puts up a negative plus minus. He doesn't help you win.
Harris was an all-star, and a great on ball defender, with quickness, and a developing jump shot, and looked good playing with stars such as Dirk Nowitzki. Now-a-days he's a slow PG, who isn't really good at anything. He's not a good shooter, he can't create for himself, he can't get guys the ball where they want it, and he can't defend. He's one of the worst starting PG's in the league.
The fact that these two players are the Jazz most proven veterans probably should tell the reason why the Jazz are so bad, but the other thing that has killed the Jazz is a lack of a summer league/camp. Quick trivia, how many current Jazz players were on the team before the 10-11 season? Answer-- 2. CJ Miles and Paul Millsap. That's it. These guys need time to gel, and they didn't get time they needed in the off-season to do that. They have no chemistry, and no togetherness on the court. You can see it. Watch them play
Prediction- I don't see them winning more than 15 games this year. Is there another team out there worse?
They are bad..
if they stick with their young players, I am convinced they will have a bright future.
These guys have alot to give and they can be useful.. IMO, they should start whole selling their goods..
Trade Al, Milsap, Bell, and Harris..
Just my opinion.
They have looked bad in the 2 games I've seen them play so far. Especially against LA.
I agree that their future is bright... I like all of their young guys.
JNixon, you can pencil in a win on Friday. Even on the road, your sixers are going to kill the Jazz.
Yeah, I think they do have a nice future though. Especially with some of the salaries coming off the books soon.
I hope Philly can get a win on the road, the chances are good though Philly has been very good so far to start off.
Burks had 15 points in 10 minutes tonight
Yes they are the worse team in the league, but with the young players they have on their team plus potentially 2 more loetery picks this year they should be pretty decent in a couple of years. Although I have to say, being a Jazz fan has been pretty depressing over the years.
i think i already posted this but idk what the utah jazz are doing right now. IMO they were never going to the playoffs, so they should start developing for the future right NOW.
Honestly what im confused is why aren't kanter,favors,and burks playing more. I mean i thought they would each get more then just more 15 mins a game????
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corbin should sit bell azz on the bench. he needs to play Burk more mintues
A draft of Kendall Marshall and Kidd-Gilchrist would be pretty good IMO to have Marshall, Burks, MKG, Kanter, Favors. Not sure if they'd have enough scoring though.
It's been a weird season thus far. I've been questioning about every move corbin has been making this year. First of all with Bell starting, he is the one guy on this team who absolutely brings nothing at all to the table any more. He used to be a very solid defender, however it has seemed any time his guy has got the ball on the wing this season he has got absolutely torched. However rather than sitting him he has been getting extended minutes, while Burks has been buried on the bench until they reach the 5 minute mark in the 4th quarter... Also keep in mind that while he was on the bench the game has been out of reach by the time they have hit the 3rd anyways...
Combine that with the fact that Favors hasn't gotten many minutes either after he gets in foul trouble early. The majority of his fouls have come on over the back calls, in which he has been over aggressive on the offensive glass in the first quarter. However after he picks up his early 2 the last 2 games, he has been hesitant to play him at all for the rest of the game, and typically only sees about 3 minutes in the 3rd and a few more minutes in the 4th.
I also think we need to let Jefferson walk after his contract falls off (there's no way we are trading away his contract this season), as he just completely kills any offensive rythm this team ever gets into. For a guy who I have always deemed as a super skilled bigman, he has about the worse basketball IQ of any ive ever seen. They also should look to ship Harris after this season if they can get a PG in the draft or free agency, as much as jefferson kills the offense he does the same. The guy still has the ability to be a very good PG in this league, however he just seems disinterested at times, gets burned defensively, and never sets up hit team mates whatsoever. As was the case at the end of last season Earl Watson still appears to be the most competent PG on this roster at the time being..
I haven't got to catch a Jazz game, but I have Devin Harris on one of my fantasy teams, what is the deal with him? He's been playing awful.
I really am not sure to be honest. He is just really lackadaisical when hes on the floor anymore. He gets burned on defense all the time, the last 2 games by Andre Miller and Derek Fisher on several occassions, and made them look like rose and westbrook, which is also really surprising considering how good he was on that end of the floor during his Mavericks days. Offensively he doesn't get anybody involved, he takes more jumpshots than he did in the first part of his career, and he doesn't finish strong at the basket at all. The only plus I've seen out of him stemming back to last season is that he has somewhat developed an outside 3 that he can hit rather consistently, but aside from that there isn't much else.
Harris is just apathetic, he looks and plays like he doesn't care. Bell should just retire, no one understands why he is playing the minutes he is. Who needs a shooting guard that doesn't shoot or play defense? Only theory I've heard that makes sense is its in his contract somewhere that he gets big minutes. Big Al is a really nice guy, but he is a terrible fit for this team, especially considering its youth. If only there were some way to trade him to the clips for Mo Williams, sigh.
On the plus side, Hayward and Favors are coming along nicely. Hayward is an excellent playmaker and a good shooter, he should be starting at the 2 just so our backcourt has some playmaking going on. I'd even be open to him running the point on offense and having Harris play the two, then switching back on D, but I doubt that'll happen. Kanter shows some promise, his shot is off and he lacks any real offensive moves right now, but he is a beast on the boards. Burks, has unfortunately been buried on the bench, despite the fact that he is def a better option than Bell right now. I'm not saying he should start, but he should be in front of Bell on the depth chart. Evans continues to be a hustle player, and his teammates seem a bit more motivated when he's on the floor.
As far as the rest of the vets go, Sap is the only untouchabe one. He is the heart and soul of this team right now, and while he may be limited defensively, he is very efficient offensively. W atson is a good backup pg, and Tinsely has really suprised with his play in the limited minutes he's been in. Josh Howard hasn't met a shot he doesn't like, and looks to be a bad pickup. Miles is still inconsistant, but a much better option at the 2 or 3 than Bell or Howard.
Its going to be a rough year, so hopefully the FO just admits they are rebuilding and develop the young guys and aim for a solid SF and PG in the draft (I'm hoping MKG and Marshall).
the jazz look horrendous, not many teams look more out of sync. they have no go-to scorer, al jefferson is a HUGE black hole on offense, kanter looks miles away from being offensively accountable, josh howard and raja bell are old, cj miles look terrible, devin harris does very little to help this team especially with his miserable defensive efforts, the only players that look reasonably effective are hayward, millsap and favors
They need to stop half assing the rebuilding process. Give the young guys minutes and let them start developing chemistry. Jefferson, Bell, and Harris should have already been traded for an expiring + picks. Millsap is the vet worth keeping around.
1. I don't know what Coach Corbin is doing. I think he is relying too much on Coach Sloan. He wants to use the same linueps as him, yet still instill a few things of his own. Coach Sloan was good and a great veteran coach. I respect him but times have changed, the team has changed. No more do the Jazz have a slow, veteran team. They have a young team, that needs to run. They are young and athletic, use it to your advantage. The Jazz are at their best when they are running the ball up the court not walking. Repeatedly I see the Jazz walking the ball up the court and there is no time to set up the offense. Harris used to be a fast, scoring first type of point guard. He still is, but I believe he has been ineffective because Coach Corbin has been using him ineffectively. He's telling him to slow it down, when he is best running it and scoring. So consequently, Harris is listening to his coach and slowing it down, this is not to his skill set and therefore he is ineffective. Corbin needs to change the offense to a fast run and gun type of style.
2. Bell should not be anywhere near the starting lineup. He used to have good defense and a good offensive understanding of the game, but now he is ineffective and should only be used as a backup or as a guy to use for defensive purposes only, NOT as a starter. The guy(s) that should be starting in his place should be CJ Miles or Josh Howard. I understand that with Hayward, Favors, and Miles in the starting lineup is young and inexperienced and Corbin prefers to mix veterans with young players, but Bell is not the veteran you want starting. I thought he learned that last year, but I guess not. If he wants to mix veterans with young players then start Howard at the 3 and Hayward at the 2. The Jazz have many bigs, more bigs than most other NBA teams have, use it to your advantage.
Starting lineup should look like this: Jefferson, Favors, Hayward, Miles, Harris or Jefferson, Favors, Howard, Hayward, Harris.
And who cares if starting Favors, Hayward, and Miles makes the starting lineup young and inexperienced. Sometimes youth is a good thing. Sometimes it surprises the opponent and they are not ready for a fast, up tempo, athletic starting lineup. Well, that is what the "new" Jazz have. They have that kind of team so they should use that type of team more often.
Bottom line: I'm sorry to say this, and some people might disagree with me but unless Coach Corbin makes these 2 changes by the allstar break the Jazz will continue to be blown out and he (Coach Corbin) should be fired as the Jazz head coach. If these changes are made as soon as possible (friday against the 76ers) than it would be even better and he just might save his job.
The Jazz said they had a great training camp, and new things were coming. They said they would allow Harris to play his type of game. Well, where is it? Stop fooling us fans, and start using your strengths to your advantage.
^nuff said. also we need a better point gaurd. I'd like to see Mo comeback if we could do a trade for him. At this point anyone is better than harris.
like really suck stockton and malone rolling over there graves
the Bobcats and Raptors have worse rosters...
^^^ the Bobcats and Raptors are better coached and seem to be playing pretty well for the most part, and don't seem all disorganised like the Jazz are.