Archie Goodwin: First rounder or not?
So I'm working on my mock right now, and I'm having trouble figuring out where to put Archie Goodwin. Obviously the kid has a lot of natural talent and potential, but like a majority of the Kentucky freshmen, he disappointed more often than not. My instinct is to put him toward the top of the second, but because of the lack of guard talent past the lottery, someone might reach on him in the late first. Where do you all have him?
Got him late first early second, but with workouts I think he could go higher if he does well.
I have him in the 28 to 40 range as of right now which is subject to change with workouts. In my mock I think I gave him at about 41 but I have to fix that.
I still have him as a lottery pick
Does anyone think the Spurs should pick him? He seems to have lots of skill and potential, going to the spurs he'd learn to be more proffesional being with vets and Popovich.
I don´t think it´ll be a Spurs pick. While I wouldn´t mind the pick up personally, since Archie is an intriguing prospect, I have the feeling that the Spurs will draft and stash the pick if they don´t find a suitable big man or a back up to Kawhi. I expect that they are looking more at length and shooting capabilities at this point and not someone who needs a lot of development, especially on the defensive end (one of the sole reasons they drafted Cory Joseph).
But personally I would love to see Archie come to the Spurs.
He had a decent season, just not the amazing season people expected and put him down further then he should. He's an athletic guy with a high ceiling though so after workouts I think he'll be a lock in the first round, maybe sneaking into the top 20.
I don't see him slippin past chicago
Look at this video and tell me you see a second rounder?
Imagine those moves when he is 25. He has tons of potential.
no way this guy is a second rounder.... hes just around 19 for pete sakes... he had a decent yr... he already has nba moves and an nba first step... impressive for a youngster
I don't see him going any later than the late teens in the first round. He's right there behind Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and is the SG you want to take if KCP is gone. I think he can sneak into the tail end of the lottery if he has amazing workouts to be honest.
Wish he would've stayed at Kentucky for one more year. I never saw Aaron Harrison starting over him unless the team happened to play better with both Harrison twins on the floor at the same time.
Late first to very early 2nd round. I don't think he slips past 35, but natural ability will only get you so far at the guard position. He doesn't have a great head for the game and teams are much more willing to reach for a guy with those same questions who is say 6'9'' and won't have to have the ball in his hands most of the time when he's on the court. Goodwin is a question mark, but I think he's kind of where Quincey Miller was last year, not NBA ready but still a guy that has some potential. Miller went 38 last year, but Goodwin might go a little high IMO, I'd say he doesn't go higher than 25 though.
I think he has lottery talent. Depending on how well he does I think he could go as high as to Dallas and or Utah at the end of the lottery. I think Dallas would be a good fit especially with OJ Mayo opting out of his contract. A couple of teams in the early to mid first round could take a chance on him too. Two teams that come to mind are Milwaulkee and Atlanta. Monta Ellis is going to opt out and become a free agent. That could open up a spot for him right there in Milwaulkee. The Hawks have two first round picks. They could use one of them on Archie as well.
People are really starting to sleep on Archie. Yes he disappointed at UK, somewhat, but once pre draft workouts roll around his stock will start rising again. I think he's the 3rd best sg prospect in the draft and reminds me of a more athletic jamal crawford at the same stage. I believe he will end up going somewhere in the 14-28 range. I hope to god that he slips to the Bulls. Kid would be a perfect compliment to D Rose in the next 2-3 years
Something tells me early second round...he falls into the category of Doron Lamb, Jodie Meeks, and DeAndre Liggins (players that weren't stars but helped the team when needed) all of whom were 2nd round.
I have been going 14 to Utah and then Utah taking Schroeder at 21. Unless MCW drops to Utah at 14 they should just stick with finding one via free agency.
personally, i have him going late first to the clipps. the guy is naturally talented with the ball in his hands. having said that, he isnt nearly as effective without it. his outside shot is big work in progress. he doesnt particularly move or cut well off the ball doesnt have great concept on spacing defenders from his teammates. he's got sick handles and has great wingspan for the SG position to balance out his less than ideal height. however, you can tell that there is a ton of work that has to be placed on him before he can be a regular contributer in the league.
i see a larry hughes in the making but theres a lot of work for him before he gets there. right now, he is seen as a player who needs the ball just to be effective, but at the same time, does not control the tempo like a point guard does, does not get other involved like a point guard should. and when you have much better options to handle the ball, he doesnt warrant any time on the floor because he'll be ineffective.
i think the clips would be an ideal scenario to him because he wont be asked to contribute right away which he cant really, and but almost all of the players ahead of him in the depth chart in his position are either past their prime or in the tail end of it already. meaning there will be minutes for him in the future if he shows good steady development. he'll also have a ton of mentors who were used to just having the ball in their hands and had to adapt into being as effective without it.
I used to be on the fence about this one but with the number of quality players dropping out of this draft and staying in school I'd say first round for sure.
He has lottery talent for sure, I just think people are skeptical of him because they say he still plays too wild and doesn't have a great feel for the game....which is true....but he's 18 years old and wont be 19 until August, this guy has alot of potential, and his game at 23-24 years old is going to be scary.
i think he goes mid 1st to possible late lotto.marcus smart going back definitely opened up another 1st round guard slot
He'll definitely go first round. I'm thinking in the 18-27 range.
This is a weak draft and this guy is serously underrated...now.
Youngest player in the draft, give him a break on his flaws...in a dysfunctional kentucky team.
Can easily see him being one of the 2 hawks picks.
I don't agree with the fact that people seem to stick up for prospects that did not perform well on a dysfunctional team. Archie was a part of that team, one of the reasons why the team was dysfunctional is due to his wild play and shot selection. Archie has top 15 talent and being extremely young he is a great pick based on potential for teams like the Cloppers, Nuggets, and Spurs who can afford to bring him up in the system like Koufos, Bledsoe, Jordan, Joseph, Leonard and other prospects by letting them see how to be a professional. But if Archie goes late lotto he will never get that guidance he needs to develop. He is not ready to perform at an NBA level as an all round player. That's why teams like Sacramento never get better, they continue to draft on talent and potential and completely disregard players weaknesses.