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Aran Smith to prevent the mistake of overrating players. You should maybe think about changing your player grading system

For example- This is a grading system that I use to rank players:
1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc )
3. Size
4. Athleticism
5. Strength
6. Intangibles
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level
8. Potential/Upside
9. Shooting Skills
10. Ball Handling Skills
11. Passing Skills
12. Rebounding Skills
13. Moving with-out the ball skills
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves )
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork
18. Playmaking Skills
19. Ability to make those around you better
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations )

180 - 200 points = great player
160- 180 points = very good player
140 - 160 points = good player
120 - 140 points = average player

10 = great skill level
9 = very good skill level
8 = good skill level
7 = average skill level
6 = below average skill level
5 = non existent skill level

For example Marcus Smart Player Rating From Me Would Be = 160 ( very good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 7
5. Strength = 9
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 8
9. Shooting Skills = 7
10. Ball Handling Skills = 7
11. Passing Skills = 8
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 7
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 7
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 8
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 8
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 9
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 8
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

For example Lorenzo Brown Player Rating From Me Would Be = 155 ( good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 8
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 8
5. Strength = 7
6. Intangibles = 7
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 9
9. Shooting Skills = 7
10. Ball Handling Skills = 10
11. Passing Skills = 9
12. Rebounding Skills = 7
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 8
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 8
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 6
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 7
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 8
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 7

For example Ben McLemore Player Rating From Me Would Be = 157 ( good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 8
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 7
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 9
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 7
11. Passing Skills = 8
12. Rebounding Skills = 7
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 7
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 7
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 5
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 8
18. Playmaking Skills = 7
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 7

For example Jabari Parker Player Rating From Me Would Be = 166 ( very good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 9
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 9
4. Athleticism = 8
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 8
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 8
11. Passing Skills = 9
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 8
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 8
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 8
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 7
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 8
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

For example Kobe Bryant Player Rating From Me Would Be = 184 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 9 ( sometimes kobe makes terrible decisions )
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 9
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 8
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 9
11. Passing Skills = 9
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 10
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 10
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 10
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 10

For example Lebron James Player Rating From Me Would Be = 186 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 10
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 10
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 10
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 8
10. Ball Handling Skills = 9
11. Passing Skills = 10
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 9
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 8
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 10
19. Ability to make those around you better = 10
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

For example Victor Oladipo Player Rating From Me Would Be = 159 ( good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 7
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 9
9. Shooting Skills = 7
10. Ball Handling Skills = 8
11. Passing Skills = 7
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 9
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 7
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 5
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8


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This actually looks very

This actually looks very good. If Aran used this I wouldn't be against it.

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Thank You

At times throughout the years of being a fan of this website. I've noticed that players have been drastically overrated or underrated. I think the rating system that I use and created can give a nba draft prospect a more realistic rating that will help determine how good a player really is compared to the players they will play against in the NBA

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He does a great effort,

He does a great effort, giving us a place to talk basketball and nothing trying knock him but I noticed how players for Example Bazz gets overrated i think at one stage he as a 101, then now he is a 94. There seems to be a too far dramatic swing when trying to convey such a player isn;t as good as expected, but surely not 7 point swing.

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Shabazz Muhammad

Shabazz Muhammad Player Rating From Me Would Be = 158 ( good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 8
5. Strength = 9
6. Intangibles = 7
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 9
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 7
11. Passing Skills = 6
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 8
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 8
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 9
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 7
18. Playmaking Skills = 7
19. Ability to make those around you better = 6
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

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Too much skills IMO.

Too much skills IMO. "Intangibles", "mental skills", "ability to consistently perform at a high level" are too similar, as are "Playmaking skills" and "ability to make those around you better". "Upside" mostly = "Athleticism".

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Aran?

I'm sure Aran Smith appreciates your exuberance... but I'm thinking he's brushing it off as a 14 yr old kid thinking he know's how to do his better than he does.

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great formula PJ. it looks

great formula PJ. it looks like you put in alot of work into it. +1

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"Aran Smith to prevent the

"Aran Smith to prevent the mistake of overrating players. You should maybe think about changing your player grading system"
hahaha

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Just out of curiosity, what

Just out of curiosity, what does intangibles include? alot of the mental skills could be considered intangibles, no?

Nice formula tho, have you ever rated anyone higher than Bron?

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intangibles meaning and Micheal Jordan Player Rating

Many diehard basketball fans love to follow the game through statistics. If you are an avid basketball fan, it is not uncommon for you to know the scoring averages of your favorite players - not only on your home team but all around the NCAA and the NBA as well. Often statistics are used to measure a player's worth or value to a team. If a player is averaging double figure points or rebounds for his or her team, they are making tangible contributions to the team. If a player is blocking a lot of shots, they are looked upon as being good defensive players and of great value to their teams at the defensive end, thus another example of a tangible stat.

When you study championship caliber teams on any level however, it's not just tangible contributions that make them winners. You have to look beyond statistics to understand what makes them succeed at a higher level. While statistics often give you a pretty clear picture of why a team is winning or not winning, the intangible contributions usually play a big part in the winning process. What are intangibles? Intangibles are things players do to help a team win that don't show up on the stat sheet after a game.

Some examples of intangibles are: setting a good screen to free up a teammate for a shot, diving for a loose ball, making a extra pass that leads to a scoring opportunity for a teammate, playing good team defense by rotating to opponents who drive to the basket, or even boxing out your man so your team can get a defensive rebound.

Micheal Jordan Player Rating From Me Would Be = 194 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 10
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 9
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 10
6. Intangibles = 10
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 8
11. Passing Skills = 10
12. Rebounding Skills = 9
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 10
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 10
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 10
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 10
19. Ability to make those around you better = 9
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 10

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Maybe I'm crazy but this

Maybe I'm crazy but this formula seems a bit more weighted towards all-around play and therefore swingmen more than any other position...How would a prime Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal do? I feel like they would get dinged too hard in the shooting, playmaking, passing, ball-handling, perimeter, moving without the ball categories

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Shaquille O'Neal

Shaquille O'Neal Player Rating From Me Would Be = 180 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 10
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 10
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 10
6. Intangibles = 8
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 6
10. Ball Handling Skills = 5
11. Passing Skills = 10
12. Rebounding Skills = 10
13. Moving with-out the ball skills / Ability For Big Men To Win The Battle For Positioning & Angles = 10
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 5
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 10
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 9
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 9
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 10

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Akeem Olajuwon Ant Tim Duncan

These player ratings is based on a players all - around skill level regardless of position

Akeem Olajuwon Player Rating From Me Would Be = 185 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 10
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 10
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 8
10. Ball Handling Skills = 7
11. Passing Skills = 10
12. Rebounding Skills = 10
13. Moving with-out the ball skills / Ability For Big Men To Win The Battle For Positioning & Angles = 10
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 7
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 10
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 9
19. Ability to make those around you better = 9
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 10

Tim Duncan Player Rating From Me Would Be = 185 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 10
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 9
4. Athleticism = 8
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 10
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 8
10. Ball Handling Skills = 7
11. Passing Skills = 10
12. Rebounding Skills = 10
13. Moving with-out the ball skills / Ability For Big Men To Win The Battle For Positioning & Angles = 10
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 7
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 10
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 9
19. Ability to make those around you better = 9
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 10

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Cool. Yeah it's interesting

Cool. Yeah it's interesting to see Shaq, Hakeem and TD with 10 in the passing skill-set. To be honest I always thought Shaq was a better passer than Hakeem although playing in the triangle helped with that. It's kinda weird to see their passing skill-set ranked higher than Kobe and on par with Lebron if we're looking at them regardless of position.

Still 185 seems about right for both the Dream and Duncan.

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Nerlens Noel

Nerlens Noel Player Rating From Me Would Be = 164 ( very good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 10
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 7
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 7
10. Ball Handling Skills = 6
11. Passing Skills = 8
12. Rebounding Skills = 9
13. Moving with-out the ball skills / Ability For Big Men To Win The Battle For Positioning & Angles = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 9
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 6
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 6
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 10
18. Playmaking Skills = 9
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

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Cody Zeller

Cody Zeller Player Rating From Me Would Be = 158 ( good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 9
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 8
3. Size = 9
4. Athleticism = 8
5. Strength = 7
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 8
9. Shooting Skills = 8
10. Ball Handling Skills = 6
11. Passing Skills = 8
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills / Ability For Big Men To Win The Battle For Positioning & Angles = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 8
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 6
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 8
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 7
18. Playmaking Skills = 7
19. Ability to make those around you better = 8
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

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I tried to do a prime Shaq

I tried to do a prime Shaq (and this is with me giving him the benefit of the doubt and rating him in comparison to other centers in certain categories such as passing and perimeter)

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 9
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 10
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 10
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 6
10. Ball Handling Skills = 6
11. Passing Skills = 7
12. Rebounding Skills = 9
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 7
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 7
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 10
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 9
18. Playmaking Skills = 6
19. Ability to make those around you better = 8
20. Clutch Factor =10

Total: 173, technically not among the "great players" despite being a top 12 player all-time

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Cool

Seems like you put a lot of thought into this... From what I read, It actually works and would be a reasonable system to use.

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OJ Mayo, Eric Gordan, Derrick Rose, And Russel Westbrook

For example OJ Mayo Player Rating From Me Would Be = 160 ( very good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 7
4. Athleticism = 8
5. Strength = 9
6. Intangibles = 7
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 9
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 9
11. Passing Skills = 8
12. Rebounding Skills = 7
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 9
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 7
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 9
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 6
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 8
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

For example Eric Gordan Player Rating From Me Would Be = 161 ( very good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 8
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 9
3. Size = 7
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 9
6. Intangibles = 7
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 8
8. Potential/Upside = 9
9. Shooting Skills = 9
10. Ball Handling Skills = 8
11. Passing Skills = 7
12. Rebounding Skills = 7
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 8
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 9
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 9
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 7
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 7
18. Playmaking Skills = 7
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

For example Russel Westbrook Player Rating From Me Would Be = 169 ( very good player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 7
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 8
6. Intangibles = 8
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 9
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 8
10. Ball Handling Skills = 8
11. Passing Skills = 8
12. Rebounding Skills = 8
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 7
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 9
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 7
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 9
18. Playmaking Skills = 8
19. Ability to make those around you better = 7
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 8

For example Derrick Rose Player Rating From Me Would Be = 180 ( great player )

1. Feel For The Game / Decision Making Skills/ Basketball I.Q = 9
2. Mental Skills ( toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, competiveness, etc ) = 10
3. Size = 8
4. Athleticism = 10
5. Strength = 9
6. Intangibles = 9
7. Ability to consistently perform at a high level = 10
8. Potential/Upside = 10
9. Shooting Skills = 8
10. Ball Handling Skills = 10
11. Passing Skills = 9
12. Rebounding Skills = 7
13. Moving with-out the ball skills = 7
14. Ability to finish around the rim skills = 10
15. Perimeter: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork ( ability to create space, ability to score against tough defense, and ability to use advanced skills to create dynamic scoring opportunities for themselves ) = 9
16. Post-up: Offensive Skills / Offensive Footwork = 7
17. Defensive Skills/ Defensive Footwork = 8
18. Playmaking Skills = 9
19. Ability to make those around you better = 8
20. Clutch Factor ( Ability to perform at a high level in high pressure, tense or critical situations ) = 10

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This player ranking is still

This player ranking is still very much subjective and still wouldn't prevent overranking players.

It is easy to say that Aran is too high on players early in ther careers and be wrong. This system would still overrank players just like any other system does. Rating players is like trying to hit a bullseye on a moving target. Players this young go through so many ups and downs throughout their first few years it is almost impossible not to over rank some of them occasionally. It is just the nature of this business.

I'm sure Aran has a system that works just fine. Hindsight is 20-20 and it is always easy to second guess after everything is said and done.

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Prince James-It's a pretty

Prince James-It's a pretty good list of attributes. And I appreciate the suggestion... I do think our ranking system includes all of those, however. "Intangibles" factors in mental toughness, ability to fit a position, feel for the game, ability to make those around you better, while "Leadership" factors in character. The thing I think your system needs to take into account is that guards and bigmen should have different rating systems. For PFs and Cs, rebounding and post skills are part of our attributes. For wing players ball handling and passing are. Those skills are included within the "intangibles" for the bigs with passing skills, and guards/wings with rebounding and post skills. Obviously, a point guard's passing and ball handling matter more than their post skills and rebounding. But the opposite would be the case for a center. For instance: Shaq's ability to move without the ball shouldn't hold the same weight as his rebounding or post up skills. Also while having the ability to make those around you better is a great attribute, it is move important from a guard than a center.

The point you make about Shabazz doesn't seem fair. First off, nobody knew he was a year older. And he looked like a potential #1 overall pick when he was a senior in high school. By the time he had gotten through the high school showcase games, his skill set began to be scrutinized and further so once he got to UCLA. I don't think there would have been any difference using a different grading scale.

Regardless, I apprecaite the post and suggestion. You obviously put a lot of time into it and your formula is good.

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I like Aran's system. It's

I like Aran's system. It's not perfect, but no system is. I think 20 categories is too many.

I normally don't look at the overall value. The values not based on measurements, so they are subjective anyway.

It's more useful to get a very quick profile of the player.

i.e. Are they super athletic? How skilled are they? Do they have intagibles? How much potential do they have?

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i like your rating system as

i like your rating system as it goes into some other detailed categories. i have a few formulas of my own. it's whatever works for you i guess. there is no real perfect rating system however, as people sometimes are unpredictable. but in the end, this is a draft site. if you rate a player a certain way and the formula works, it's a good idea to see how they may do in the nba. but as far as drafts go, hype is involved as well to determine where a player gets drafted like austin rivers or somebody.

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Since nobody's ranking is

Since nobody's ranking is below 5 for a certain category, why not make 5 the highest and 1 the lowest? Don't understand going up to 10 if you never use #'s 1-5....

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