Anyone else not yet sold on UCONN's Jeremy Lamb?
I am not sure if he is a top 10 NBA pick? I think he could be a solid role player and have a nice career but I do not see him as a top 5 or 10 pick. Maybe I am missing something? I actually like Beal from Florida better.
Yeah but he just oozes potential because he could fill out into a great frame with all the length he already has. Not to mention he has a pretty good scoring ability where it just comes natural.
I am a UCONN fan, but no J-Lamb does not posses that killer insticnt yet and that right there is a problem. Uconn players in have a huge chip on their shoulders and im glad their season went like they did. They didnt work hard on anything and all they did was assume they were gonna win.
Anyways, back to Lamb like I was saying he doesnt posses that killer instinct. But if he gets it I could see him being an all-star, and very much ray allen/rip hamilton type player. He's the best player on the team and he never actually took over a game a la C.J McCullam. He should stick around if he wants to be a higher pick, but unfortunatley NBA scouts dont see it like that.
People here are saying that they dont like Lamb as a top 10 pick because he doesnt have the killer instinct to be his teams top option. Since when did all top 10 picks become their teams top option? Id be fine with taking a career 15ppg scorer as the 5th pick. Lamb has unreal potential as previously mentioned he is 6'6 with a crazy long wingspan he is also athletic and has a nice jumpshot to go with solid ballhandling. Even if his offence never develops with his length and quickness he can be a top notch defender in this league.
Why wouldnt a team spend a top 10 pick on a player that will be a nice 2nd/3rd option that can defend with all star potential?
i think he's a top 10 talent. he was on a really bad team this year. he averaged good numbers on a good shooting percentage. the problem is he couldn't get the ball because napier and boatright are selfish point guards. andre drummond suffered the same problem. i think back to last year when they won the tourney. lamb completely dominated some games.
I agree with DoubleNickelsDurr55. After watching my fair share of UConn games, the one thing that bothered me about Mr. Lamb was his lack of assertiveness when his team were in rough spots. When considering how young his team was (an underclassmen to upperclassmen ratio of 11:5 and when considering players who played significant roles, that ratio becomes 8:1), he should have asserted himself more often than he did. However, I do think that his overall talent will be good enough to earn him a top 10 pick.
LMAO!! WoW How Fast Times Can Change..Earlier in the year when Lamb got off to a great start,posters on here were comparing him to Jordan out of all people...
As i said in January,he doesnt have that take charge attitude you want in your best player...He seems too laid back..In their 1st round lost he didnt seem unhappy to be losing to a lesser team..He didnt have that i'm the best player on the court,i'm putting my team on my back and carrying them to victory and nobody can stop me Attitude,that every superstar have..
Lamb had the face facial expression he had earlier in the game and at the end of the game..This doesnt mean he wont be a good player at the next level,it just make you consider his heart and desire to be better...
1 thing i can say is that his game has to translate well to the league. those floaters drop and he'll be able to do it no matter how big the interior D is. he moves very well off-the-ball when he wants to and his stroke is textbook with an insanely quick realease. he is the guard with the best/most complete offensive artillery.
(off topic) a guy who been trying to impress scouts his last two games is terrence ross, really impressed me, he looked as aggressive as ever, he constantly took over and acted like the best player on that team, shooting over and over while tony wroten assumed the legit pass-first pg duty attempting only 10 fgs and dropping 15 dimes (woulda had like 20 if his big could finish, i swear) constantly using his first step not to score but to create for others and playing at times shut-down defense on opposing PGs. terrence ross displayed great touch off-the-dribble even on ISOs. ross shooting and shooting-selection is very barnes-like, ross (a cross between barnes and lamb) also has that money "1-2 step shoot" initiated by his problems creating space. [one of the funnest team to watch, catch the game tonight!]
edit: very much agreed with rudeboy^
Jeremy Lamb, like Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger are going to be better pros than people think. Maybe PJIII as well. The thing I like about Lamb, Barnes, and PJIII are the very reasons they receive criticism...because it appears they lack killer instinct or dont look like 1st or 2nd options at the next level. They are all very confident....but not cocky. They are unselfish and I believe very coachable. They are likely role players with above average talent.
Demarcus Cousins is a huge talent, but he is a PRIMADONNA. Guys like that dont end up winning. (See Charles Barkley)
I want a guy that can be coached and will work hard to improve his game.
In Lamb, I dont believe we are looking at the next Ray Allen. He may be a Rip Hamilton....and that damn sure warrants a top 10 pick in my book.
If you are not sold on Jeremy Lamb, that is okay. The problem is that there is no logical way a person can not be sold on Jeremy Lamb and also sold on Bradley Beal whose reputation as a shooter stands in firm contrast to the fact he wasn't making shots when facing teams capable of sticking a hand in his face. Jeremy Lamb did not carry UConn to any sort of great heights, but he had a good year. I find it hard to argue against him being another Nicolas Batum, but that comes with the benefit and question of what is the value of a Nicolas Batum? In Bradley Beal, if he can't shoot to his reputation, then he is just a 6'2 or 6'3 guard who can't run the point and will be a liability defensively because of his lack of size.
Every time Jeremy Lamb gets brought up we don't need to hear about how you were so right and all these posters were comparing him to Jordan. First of all that's not even true. One guy did, and all he said something like "There are flashes of Jordan in his game although not at that level". Second of all, you said you can't see him being picked ahead of James McAdoo in that very same thread.
Aran may have had McAdoo high on his mock for awhile but absolutely no poster should've thought at any moment that he was going top 5 let alone top 3 in this draft. Sorry to call you out and all, but it's annoying the hell out of me.
I do not think he will be an efficient scorer his first season- as he will actually be guarded by players who are his own height and athletic ability in the NBA. He should be shooting over 50% in college because when he drives he scores just about every time, but he is in love with the 3 point line (6.2 attempts per game), when he is not all that great of a shooter. Just my opinion. He is without question a top ten pick though. If he plays the same way in the NBA as he does in college and shoots too many threes and contested jumpers, he will be just like Nick Young ( except hes not as good of a shooter). No, I am not comparing him to Nick Young but he needs to change the way he plays to utilize his full potential. He has some of the same issues former UConn star Rudy Gay had, in terms of settling for too many jumpers in college and not "taking over" when he can.
bradley beal, i was expecting this guy to be mainly as a 3pt threat/ spot up shooter coming into FL. but seriously, i said this before and now im more convinced than ever, beal is not that ray allen, or anywhere near that type of player. (this is very controversial), but i think beal best game is actually attacking the basket, with a nice court vision to complement the slashing game, his dribble is not completely fluid but this guy is VERY quick and strong, built like a mini-lebron james. not a lot of freshmen prospect when attacking the basket are able to "cup the ball" (in their 2 steps), draw contact, power thru D, and lay it up like he does. he's averaging 5 FT a game as a fr. for a reason. (top 6 among fr.).... he is also relentless on the glass (including offensively) not something you'd expect from your typical ray allen type of player.
The difference for me is how much Jeremy Lamb defers to inferior players on his own team. He isn't aggressive, and settles for bad shots. A better defender than Beal? Yes. More size than Beal? Yes. I just don't like how his game tranfers to the next level as much.
Athough he did drop off in the second half of the season, i stilll like him as a pro. He is silky smooth, long and good handle. I can see him scoring 16-19ppg in the pros
He may not be the "create his own shot" star SG or the Ray Allen or Reggie Miller people thought he might be but Eddie Jones is definetly a possibility, a team like Portland wouldn't pass on him and he would be perfect beside LaMArcus.
How can u not be sold on lamb hands down he's a top 10 pick. He's great comic off picks and he's 6,5 with a 7foot wingspan.he's hands down the top shooting guard. Theres not 10 players in college basketball better than lamb
lmao at Y2G for getting annoyed and calling me out ...There were several guys on here that compared Lamb to Jordan..And how can you compare someone like Lamb that is so laid back, to the most competitive player of alltime?
I never said Lamb will never be a star..I think he has alot of upside...He has the tools to be an all star...All i said is that you want your best player to play with a sense of urgency and be aggressive like Wade was when he carried Marquette to the Final 4 and like former teammate Kemba Walker was last year..
And yeah, McAdoo has been on a roll lately....Maybe its becuz he's trying to boost his nba stock or maybe he wants to help his team win a ring..Lamb didnt show that sense of urgency...
I think you have to be crazy to take little Beal over 6ft5 Lamb who comes off screens drilling the J. Beal is not shooting like I thought he would and I think length is bothering him. They will be longer quicker in the L. Beal will be a ok pro. No way I take him before Lamb. NO WAY.
Lmao at Rudeboy not reading a damn thing I wrote.
"lmao at Y2G for getting annoyed and calling me out ...There were several guys on here that compared Lamb to Jordan..And how can you compare someone like Lamb that is so laid back, to the most competitive player of alltime?"
Name two. I know you can't because there is only one. I read the thread, there was one. Since when did anyone ever say that they had the same competitive nature? Oh yeah, never. He said that he has flashes of Jordan's game. He never said what those flashes were, and I really doubt that he was thinking their mindset.
"And yeah, McAdoo has been on a roll lately....Maybe its becuz he's trying to boost his nba stock or maybe he wants to help his team win a ring..Lamb didnt show that sense of urgency..."
This is irrelevant. I know he's been playing well lately, I've watched the games. You still said you couldn't see Lamb going ahead of him, and just seemingly ignore that point when you bring up how "right you were". It could just be me, but 11 other people seem to agree as well.
I am not sold on Lamb at all. I personally would take Beal over Lamb although I think Lamb will be taken first. I thought he benefitted greatly from playing second fiddle to Kemba last year. Teams tried to lock down on Kemba which opened a lot of toom for Lamb to do what he does best. UConn was supposed to be a powerhouse team this year with Lamb leading them but they failed to get out og the first roung of the tournament. I think if Beal went to a different school and was able to play SG most the time (he didnt at FL due to all their guards) his numbers and stock would both increase dramatically. Lamb is incredibly smooth and has good size for an NBA SG I just don't think he is a top ten talent. I can see him being a viable 3rd option on a team but in general I think people are way too high on him.
Lamb's game, and size translate much better to the NBA than Beal. Beal will be a role player, Lamb has the potential to be the 2nd or 3rd scorer on a Championship team.
Yea Lambs size and game do translate but I just don't think he has the right mentality to be more that a 3rd option on a good team. Lamb is too laid back and just doesn't seem to have the ability to carry his team to a win when needed. If your spending a top 5 pick on someone you would want him to produce more than that.
Beal seems like a player who will do whatever is necessary to win and doesn't care as much about stats. He has a nice stoke and is a very intelligent player. He hasn't needed to put the team on his back so we dont know how he will react in that type of situation but I have a feeling he will be one of those cluth players that can be counted on at the end of a game. I wouldn'd spend a top 5 pick on him either but I think he will ahve a better career than Lamb
RudeBoy how many asses do you have? It seems like you laugh your's off every post. That cannot be healthy.
BTW how do you have so many points? You are not anything special when it comes to basketball knowledge, you are not funny, you are kind of a douche, and you are rude. OMG you are rude and your name is Rudeboy. Totally get it now. Mind= blown
Y2G,Where were you in November when Jeremy Lamb got off to the best start of any college player early in the season and guys were posting about 8 threads on average a day about how great Lamb will be?
And those 11 guys that agreed with you are like 70% of the other guys on here that dont't know anything about the game,they are bandwagon jumpers..They go along with anything thats in the moment...
And what i said about McAdoo and Lamb that was back in December and things can change..Becuz back then Rory White wasnt on anyone's draft radar ,but now he's a possible lottery pick...
i see the talent in beal... but idk if hes gnna be some star player, i think hes overrated..... lamb is good, but not a star player i think....
There are a ton of players that will come out of nowhere in this Draft...
I remember A LOT of POSTERS hyping Lamb as the Next Great Superstar...
These are the factors in why I feel Lamb will not be a Top 10 Pick...
1st off since NBA GM"S are paid to find Star's not role players...Most Coaches can blindly pick out a rebounder or defender if you give him the Time to look at the prospects...Same would go for Shooters/Slashers...If you're not at an Elite Level with any particular skill then you are doomed to become a role players(9 out of 10 times you will be a Role Player in your first few seasons)
2nd ...Size matters in The NBA...Lamb's height and lenght have kept him at the top of This sites Mock for the entire year...My question is this, what happens when Lamb is put side by side to Terrence Ross(A Freshman with more upside than Lamb) They are both Tall/ Lanky Gurads with streaky jump shots, both will have the ability to slash and defend to Sg spot in The NBA...But what Team is going to start either of those two guys next year??? They wouldn't start for any team in The NBA in their 1st season...Some would say it will take them at 2 to 3 years to get Starter's minutes...That would make a guy like Lamb a bust in my eyes, if we assume he's taken top 10...A kid like Ross could get picked 17th for example and become a better player than Lamb...Al Faarooq Aminu was drafted Top Ten and hasn't gotten a starting gig yet, It took Evan Turner who's miles ahead of Lamb has an all around player 2 years to get a starting job and he was the most NBA ready Rookie in his Draft Class...
3rd... Every Team drafting in The Lottery will be looking at players that can impact their team from Day 1...Or Players that will be valuable pieces to their puzzles...If A prospect like James McAado declared he would taken ahead of Lamb, while McAado didn't have a "breakout year" he's still a very good athlete with great size and potential at The Sf/Pf spots...yes he's raw and doesn't have a refined skill set, but why would GM"s care about that, He's a High Risk High Reward type of pick...Lamb is a safe pick if you want to add another Guard to your team but will another Guard be the difference between becoming a Contender or being lottery bound for the next 3 years...Guards can have a great bit of Impact with The rules in place now, but Those rules are in favor of aggresive scoring Guards like Rose and Westbrook, not jump shooting Guards like Lamb...
4th...People are really high on Lamb because he hasn't had any real Threat to overtake him as the Tallest Sg prospect, yes he has a lot of good qualities like good shooting mechanics and lenght, but there will be better shooters available later in the Draft, they'll be long athletes later in the Darft, they'll be other options later in the Draft and Free Agency...Shooting Guards are not going to be In High Demand this offseason...Teams are looking for Size as always, they will be lining up to draft the Talented Sf/Pf and Centers in The 2012 Draft...Any of the Big Bodies in the Draft could become instant role players, some have the chance to become starters very early in their carrers, Guards like Lamb, Beal, Rivers and Roos will have a longer wait to become fulltime role players let alone Starters...Lets make a quick Example, lets say Lamb gets drafted by the Blazers , does he start over Wes Mattews or Nic Batum??? No!!! Would he start over Jamal Crawford??? No...Would he even start over Nolan Smith? probally not...That's an example of a Team that wouldn't even have minutes for a guy like Lamb, and this isn't factoring in Free Agent signings...
5th, Coaches do not play rookies early in their Carrers...Look at guys like Evan Turner as an Example, he had a far better college career than Lamb and was taken 2nd Overall, it took him 2 years to become a starter...The coach did not feel comfortable playing Turner because he felt he wasn't ready yet...This is a guy that has a far greater skillset then Jeremy Lamb and it took him 2 years to crack the starting rotation...Lamb will be very solid, I feel his early production will be very similar to that of Larry Hughes in Philadelphia, he will not be a day 1 starter, and it will likely take him a few years to find his true role as a 3rd or 4th option on Offense while defending very well at The Sg spot...I get killed for comparing him to Hughes for some reason, he's not nearly as athletic as Hughes was and Larry was a great ball handler and passer coming out of St. Louis, Larry become a very good Defender and could get hot from outside too...Lamb has a better looking form to his jumper than Hughes did but they are very similar if you are to look at their transition to the NBA...
People are attacking Rudboy's point of view because it sounds like a fan ranting on about a players weaknesses...
Lamb has a lot of strenghts, but he's also got a lot of weaknesses...These are the things GM's think about from October to June...Lamb has a lot going for him, but he's also a year or two older than other Sg's like Beal, Rivers and Ross...He's also not as ready to fill a role as the upperclassmen like Buford and Doron Lamb...
Right now I'd say there are a few guys that you could draft instead of Jeremy Lamb ant the Sg spot...I just mentioned a few in Rivers, Beal, Ross, Buford, J. Jenkins, Barton, D. Lamb, Watford, K. Joseph or Kris Middleton...I haven't even factored in tweeners like J. Taylor and Tony Wroten jr....Then there is the FA pool, OJ Mayo, Nick Young, Eric Gordon, JR Smith etc etc....There are too many options for a team looking at Sg, I begin to wonder will a Sg be taken in The Top 10 of the Draft...
"And those 11 guys that agreed with you are like 70% of the other guys on here that dont't know anything about the game,they are bandwagon jumpers..They go along with anything thats in the moment..."
I might be misinterpreting this, but it appears as if you are claiming that 7 out of every 10 people on here don't know anything about the game of basketball. You can see why saying dumb issh like this &$#%#&@! everyone off, right?
And as far as the whole "Jordan compared to Lamb" thing, I don't personally remember ever reading that but maybe I just missed the thread. Regardless, one person making a slightly off-base comparison doesn't mean you can use it as ammo against anyone who feels differently about Lamb than you do.
I hope I didn't write all this for nothing...LOL...
I think I'll be "RudeBoying" all my future post...
Example, Lamb's not a top 10 pick, Too many Shooting Guards in the Draft and Free Agency...
"Y2G,Where were you in November when Jeremy Lamb got off to the best start of any college player early in the season and guys were posting about 8 threads on average a day about how great Lamb will be?"
I was right here reading their posts. I know people jumped on all over him, I'm not defending that. I'm saying you don't have to bring up an exaggerated point every time you post about Lamb now. Like I've said, one guy compared parts of his game to Jordan, just one. Besides, have you never jumped the boat on a prediction before? I know I have plenty of times.
"And those 11 guys that agreed with you are like 70% of the other guys on here that dont't know anything about the game,they are bandwagon jumpers..They go along with anything thats in the moment..."
Neither of us know who those 11 people were so that's hard to justify. I'm well aware of the bandwagon jumping, it's definitely an issue on this site (ex. John Wall hate earlier this year was insane), but why would they agree with me instead of you? I didn't say anything about Lamb as a player, I called you out. There is no bandwagon to jump on, just a comment you can agree or disagree with.
"And what i said about McAdoo and Lamb that was back in December and things can change..Becuz back then Rory White wasnt on anyone's draft radar ,but now he's a possible lottery pick.."
Isn't that contradictory though? Things change...so why can't you excuse the one guy who somewhat compared Lamb to Jordan? You bring it up all the time. I'm certainly not a perfect poster either, but it's really damn annoying.
I disagree that McAdoo would be taken ahead of Lamb, at least if GM's are smart. UNC is my 2nd favorite team and I'm a supporter of McAdoo but that should not happen. Lamb might be the safe pick, but he's also a good player. He's a safe bet to be good-great starter. McAdoo shoots 41% playing mostly in the post, and hasn't shown virtually any wing skills at UNC. If McAdoo comes out he might get taken late lottery or mid 1st, but he will struggle mightily.
scout4real made jeremy lamb sound like the next coming of Ray Allen.