Is any Raptor off limits besides Jonas V?
- Amir had a great game and has been solid overall with a friendly contract. Surely he'll demand more in the trade market than Rudy Gay, which is interesting in itself.
- DeMar has shot the ball well recently. Coming into tonight, he was averaging 24.2 points per game in his last 10 on 49/43/76 splits. But...he's on the books until 2017, which is good or bad depending on how you view him.
- JV has two more years on his rookie contract, and I remember Marc Stein reporting everyone was on the trading block except for him.
Who do you see untouchable in trade talks? Also, who do you think will be moved next? Seems like Rudy Gay was the first domino to fall in what could be a series of moves over the next couple months. Either way, I'm looking forward to how Toronto's season plays out from here.
I think both Demar and JV are off limits. Probably even Terrence Ross.
After that, I would assume everyone is up for grabs but I don't think the Raptors are in a hurry to move anybody.
I don't know if they would want to get rid of Amir Johnson, especially when he has another season under contract and if they could sign him for cheap, he could be there for the long haul and rebuilding process.
I wouldn't mind seeing Amir getting a 4yr/25m-30m but anything over 9m a year would be way too much for a prime Udonis Haslem type role player.
I'm having problems with the wording here. I don't think any of the players are off limits. Sure there are guys like you said like JV and Ross who they would rather keep but if they got the right offer they would trade them too. I don't think any of those guys are franchise players and so none are completely off limits. I do think they try and build with JV, ROSS, and Demar though.
If Ujiri has shown one thing, it is that he is willing to do whatever it takes to overhaul the roster to improve quality drastically. If trading Ross or JV is what it takes, he will do so but I agree, it will take a very, very good offer to pry JV away from Ujiri.
Hansborough would be a nice player off the bench for the pistons.
To me just JV and maybe Ross are off limits. I'm actually hoping they trade Lowry and Dezozan, for a better point (or sign one in free agency), draft Wiggins and the Raptors are back!
free agent/ trade
.. On 2nd thought that team would really need better shooters...
Not bashing him by any means, but I have to ask since I don't watch many (read: any) Raptors games. Has JV shown something that makes so many people this high on him? Is it just because of his height and athleticism?
As a life long raptor fan-Sat in the nose bleeds as a pup when we drafted damon back in '95-There are no 90-100% non tradeable players currently on the roster
I was excited they removed Rudy Gay, although we lost E.Davis on the initial trade he was not playing good basketball, 39% FG was terrible a lot of 16-20 ft pull ups etc.Bad basketball
Back to the topic-I am not sure anyone on the team is not tradeable-New GM did not really bring any of the main players to the team, he is going to try and create his 'own' team with his guys,
at the rate Demar is playing he is making what 10 mil, if he can keep the pace at that price he is worth it, JV I am still waiting to see what he is about but doesn't mean he cant be moved. Terrance Ross hasn't really had a chance to show a lot outside of dunks, he really doesnt handle a lot so I am not sure if there are other parts to his game. Not sure him and Demar can start together as they are both really SG's Not sure either can guard a SF for extended time.
We honestly need help everywhere, if we get wiggins/parker then we will need to move ross or demar without a doubt-I would love to get randle to put a face onto the franchise if those other 2 aren't available, someone we really from a go hard stand point we can build around and put beside JV if we are a believe in him
I've read that the gm has made everyone except JV available. As for this forum love of JV, he dominated overseas, but has yet to prove anything in the league. He has potential, but is far from a guaranteed prospect. As for Derozan, he is Gay like, where I don't he could lead a contending team. The new gm would have never paid him the money he's making. Imo, it'll be difficult to move Derozan, unless you sweetened the deal. This is where JV comes in. A big with potential is a hot commodity and I think they'll need to pair the two together to get Derozan out. I truly believe he wants to rebuild from scratch with the best pick he can get this year.
I'm not sure anyone on the Raps is off limits. But JV is the closest thing since I don't think they would get as much as they would want for him.
This does not look like a true tank, because I really think Ujiri will only clean out the guys he does not want and keep the guys he likes as much as he can. I can't imagine the Raptors playing any worse becasue of that.
Guys I think he likes: JV / Derozan / Amir
Guys I think he does not: Fields / Day / 2 or 3 of the 5!!! point guards.
Guys who are good trade fodder, but could keep: Lowry / Hansbrough / Novak / Ross / Any of the new Kings players not named Grevis
I do think he tries to keep Ross.
I don't really understand alot of the doubt people are throwing at JV. Every game it seems like they feed him the ball constantly for the first 10 minutes of the game. Its seems like he finishes the quarter with 10 points and 6 rebounds. Then he goes on his scheduled rest, which is fine, but then once he returns to the game they simply forget what he has done or is capable of doing. Part of this could simply be because Rudy wanted to dominate the ball so much but another part is certainly on the coach. For example, about a month ago the Raptors were playing the Heat in Miami I believe and Amir and JV were both doing great I thought in the first half of the game taking advantage of the lack of size which you have to do. Then Casey decides not to play Amir much in the 2nd half to match the Heats small lineup and after JV came out of the game at the end of the 3rd he didnt see another minute the rest of the game. To me it seems like whenever JVis the center piece of the offence the Raps have great sucess.
The real issue in JV's developement is his D. Still not where I would have expected it. But I am still confident he will take care of it. Just takes time.
Any issues with his offensive game are completely not his fault. If you see how well he rolls to the basket with no one on the team even considdeing making that pass, it is a huge cause for frustration (both for him and for Rap fans.)
This trade will work wonders for JVs game and confidence. Just look at what it did for Amir and Lowry last night. JV would have had at least 3 or 4 more boards and 5 or 6 more points last night, had Amir not beat him to the glass.
And just imagine how awesome it will be for him to have a point guard like Vasquez around.
If anyone is looking for this team to tank, we will need at least one or two more trades, because this one just made a lot of current Raptor's players better - especially Amir and JV.
JV is the prototype example where the own franchise is regarding the player in higher esteem than outsiders. It happens every day. Of course, there is the essence of failure and mistake when your draft pick or project does not make the leap. As for Jonas, solid project but not your franchise player, not at all. So I expect him to be available in the not so distant future.
Why is JV untouchable?
Just going off previous reports. Plus he's only 21 with $8.3 million the next two seasons.
Mark Stein reporting Lowry is next in line to get traded.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle Lowry gets good return value from a team that needs a solid insurance/back-up point guard.
The Wizards and GM Ernie Grunfeld seem to think they are in win-now mode, so I think they might inquire about his availability. The Wizards bench is mediocre overall and players such as Beal and Wall have been somewhat injury-prone. Since the Raptors want to dump salaries and give their young players more burn, I could see them doing something like this:
Wizards get 1. Kyle Lowry ( 6.2 million)
Raptors get 1. Jan Vesely (expiring deal for 3.6 mil, he will likely ride the bench for them)
2. Trevor Booker (2.35 mil, 3.4 mil in 2014, high-energy end of rotation big)
3. 2015 first round pick (unprotected, the REAL thing they want out of any trade for Lowry)
This trade is great for the Raptors because it allows them to "tank" more and add another draft pick for the future. This trade works well for the Wizards because it strengthens their bench and provides insurance right now for Bradley Beal's injury somewhat. The Raptors might be able to get more for Lowry, but I think a lot of teams will be reluctant to give up a first-round pick for Lowry.
What if the kings traded their first round pick this year to the raptors (top ten protected) and Carl Landry for Kyle Lowry?
I think the only untouchables for the Raptors in this case are JV, Amir Johnson and Terrence Ross.
JV is still developing and big men take quite some time to develop. I do think he is better than Drummond and I do feel that the coaching is really stunting his growth. When Gay was playing for the Raptors, he barely got any touches, but watching the Lakers game you could the Raps were playing better team basketball instead of hero ball with Gay and DeRozan on the court. JV needs to play though his mistakes for him to be a better play and I see that Casey isn't doing that.
Amir Johnson defines what Toronto basketball is. It's dedication, heart, hustle and effort and he does all of that. Johnson plays smart, plays his role and is a fan favourite in Toronto. I have not met one Raptor fan who does not like him. He loves and embraces the city for what it's worth.
Terrence Ross is young and with his sporadic playing time look very inconsistent. I do expect him to be getting more minutes with Gay gone and I can definitely see him improving.
I don't get the JV doubt. He's like 21 years old in his second year and he looks the part. You can see the talent. Just needs the time. He isn't a franchise player but he is easily a starting C. He is not better than Drummond though. Drummond's defense will carry teams one day. His offense may never touch Jonas but Drummond is such a good defender and rebounder. Plus he is still getting better. I mean he is unreal the way he can block shots and then be quick enough to pick pocket guards and read and react to passes.