I just mentioned this on another status and I wanted to see what you guys thought about it.
Anthony Randolph is an enigma, if you give him 35 minutes, he's going to give you a double-double and some highlights, someone needs to find where the disconnect is in practice with him. Why can he get on the floor, because when he does, he produces. His career per 36 is 17.2 points, 2.2 blocks, 1.3 steals, 1.7 assists, and 10.4 rebounds. While shooting 74% from the line and 46% from the field. When he plays he produces, maybe Brian Shaw can help him, he seems really good with player development. But there is a disconnect between the practice floor and the game floor. Why can't he get on the floor?
He's only 24. He's long, athletic, talented, why can't he get on the floor? He produces when he plays..
Wow, he's only 24 still!? He seems like he's been in the league forever. He's going to be stuck behind Faried, Arthur, Hickson, at the power forward, and Mcgee, and Mozgov at the center. (Mind you Hickson can play both 4 and 5.) So the small role he played last year seems to be getting even smaller.
I was thinking the same thing but with Danillo out can he get some time at the 3? Or will Quincy Miller get the minutes behind Wilson Chandler.
Also he may not show any talent at Denver but can Brian Shaw help him just be a better, more productive player.
I think when coaches tried to make him a center that set his development back a little.
People do know Anthony Randolph was drafted as a 3/4... Draftexpress compared him to Rudy Gay/Tim Thomas, nbadraft.net compared him to Lamar Odom/Tayshaun Prince... and listed his NBA position as Small forward. He could defend the position the problem would be floor spacing on offense. We're just asking questions here..
He needs to go to a rebuilding team to get any play. I know he was on the Wolves before, but they just don't know what they are doing. Put him on a team that lacks PF depth and is rebuilding and he could see a significant boost in his playing time. Put him on the Sixers, Magic, Hawks (not necessarily a rebuild, but just lost Smith, or the Jazz and he could show his talent more.
He's known for a big game or two from time to time, but it's easy to put up big per 36 numbers when you're not playing much. He still has those natural tools that made him a lotto pick, but his basketball IQ is pretty terrible. He is still young, but at the very best I feel Randolph is a rotation player and finds a role like Brandan Wright found in Dallas. I think is court IQ is probably lower than Wrights, though.
That's what I was mentioning about Brandon Wright on another post. He's not what he was supposed to be but he is good as a 3rd or 4th big. Randolph could do the same.
why do we still see Anthony Randolph posts? Ok... the guy is very talented.. but so are a lot of other players in the nba... every player is talented in the league... he's a lazy bum who has no dedication to the game... its that easy
Would love to see him in a lakers jersey behind gasol
PF Gasol - Randolph / Kelly
C Hill / Kaman - Sacre
I agree with you, Lakers need to get younger and more athletic and guy like Randolph can produce more than they are paid with more minutes. I remember when Earl Clark was almost out of the league and then went to LA and played great. Ariza was also out of the league or 10th man or so and went to LA and made him some money. Shannon Brown played alright in Charlotte but after being traded from Dallas, he could have been on the outs but going to the Lakers helped him out a great deal. I think a lot of young player are going to do well for Lakers in D'Antoni system and It would be interesting if Lakers could find a way to trade for Randolph and see what he can bring. Jordan Hill is another player that was getting move around until he went to Lakers and found his niche.
Randolph played for D'Antoni and saw least PT of his career. It sounds good on paper, but it already was a failed experiment.
I disagree Joewolf, Jordan Hill also played for D'Antoni and did not get many minutes but is getting minutes now. I would like to think both players have mature and also D'Antoni did not really need to play Randolph in New York because with the personnel he had, it was not a great fit. Also Randolph had a few great games in New York when he got minutes.
I think there were other factors for his lack of playing time like someone said earlier low Bball IQ.
Anthony Randolph needs to play alongside a great point guard and great defensive wings- Then his weaknesses will can be better hidden.
He suffers with the condition of having decent ball handling ability and great athleticism, thus thinks he can do more than he's capable of. If he focuses on rolling the basket on offense- and being a help-side shot blocker on defense- he'll be ok.
Otherwise he's a mess.
He has a really low bball IQ and he has no niche as a player. Usually bench players have a niche, but what can he provide off the bench? He's not an energy player. He's a poor defender. He's not a stretch guy. He's not a savvy player. He's not a physical player. He can handle the ball some, but with his decision making, why would you want the ball to be in his hands?
4 teams, 6th season and this will be his 7th coach. They've all looked at at him and said "nope." On top of being a low IQ player, he's also an emotional kid who doesn't respond well to criticism, kinda like Beasley. What it boils down is that he's dumb, un-coachable and has no niche. His per 36 doesn't mean much at all since his numbers were accumulated during garbage time.
I agree on the low basketball IQ statement.
But I totally disagree with the garbage time statement.
He has 38 starts in his career and he averages 11.5 points, 7.8 rebounds, and 1.7 blocks in 25 minutes
In the 22 games he has played over 30 minutes per game he averages 18 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks.
It's a small sample size but he's only played 209 career games. That's why I say the talent is there. Golden State really wasn't a great fit for him. I always argue about the situation a player is in and how it affects there career and that was a bad one for him.
But the point is even if you take the per 36 away, when he gets minutes, he produces. That's not mentioning he only averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.9 fouls for his career.
You made a statement about him being on his 7th coach, don't you think that's bad, and that isn't his fault. Look at Alex Smith in San Fran in the NFL, everyone called him a bust until Jim Harbaugh got a hold of him, and he went through 7 offensive coordinators and 4 head coaches in his first 7 seasons.
The point is where is the disconnect? That's all I want to know.
If a marginal player plays well in his allotted time he will get rewarded with more PT. If he doesn't play well, he will come out of the game The 30+ minutes stat is basically saying, "whenever he plays well, he plays well." As a Bulls fan I distinctly remember that same argument fanboys made for why Tyrus Thomas should be given more PT. I think of that argument the same way I do now as I did then. Furthermore, what is the context of his starts? Were they earned or were they out of necessity? If the Warriors had even slightly better big men available, how many games would he have started and would he have played nearly as many minutes? If he "played well" in his starts, why wasn't he rewarded with more PT either later in the yr or subsequent seasons? Also the majority of his career starts (well, all of them really) were on bad teams where he was a net negative (-4 per 48 his rookie season where he got over half his starts).
You said it, small sample size. Why is the sample size so small given his 5 yrs in the league already? Because he doesn't deserve more minutes. He doesn't deserve more minutes because he is not a good player for the reasons I already mentioned. 6 coaches in his career so far have observed his play/practice habits and agreed. Do you think there's some sort of conspiracy against him? The only disconnect is in you still believing that Randolph deserves more minutes despite not earning it with his play or whatever he's doing in practice.
The 9ers were committed to Smith financially. Larger investment = longer leash. The opposite is true as well. Smaller investment = shorter leash. The big difference b/t the 2 circumstances is that Smith was playing throughout those yrs of different coaches and OCs. The 9ers were already committed to him as their starting QB and committed to his development. There's no reason to commit to getting an undeserving player PT if better players can be played ahead of him. Harbaugh got it to work for Alex Smith for one yr and as soon as he got a better player, Harbaugh replaced him.
Just curious, where do you see Anthony getting minutes in the Nuggets' rotation? Who do you think he should play over?
The 49ers actually tried to replace Smith before Kapernick, and I actually never said he deserved more minutes, I asked a question on where was the disconnect? I I said why can't he get on the floor if he produces when he plays?
I NEVER said he deserved more minutes. The whole point of this post was brought up under the "players whose hype you don't get" forum topic.
So I asked those questions I mentioned earlier.
You're talking about context of starts when he played and playing on bad teams, are when going to use those arguments for all players then? Because I'm sure in your opinion a ton of players would be considered much worse. I guess Kyrie Irving isn't one of the future best point guards in the league because he plays on a bad team.
And Chilbert Arenas and I already mentioned above that his role will be getting smaller this year because of the addition of J.J Hickson, and Darrell Arthur, while already having Kenneth Faried, Javele McGee, Timofey Mozgov, Quincy Miller, Wilson Chandler, and Danilo Gallinari when he returns from injury. The only place his minutes could come is at the small forward if he beats out Quincy. That was mentioned.
Yeah, pretty much you have to stop the selective reading and start comprehending more, you just made a whole post about something I never mentioned.
You want the short answer then? The answer is that he sucks.
If nothing further came about from his starts (which were out of necessity not earned) or his per 36 stats (which are meaningless) it must be because he's not good.
Kyrie starts because he's good. Randolph doesn't play because he's not. Happy?
Randolph is Legit! He can ball em up and down if they play him enough he could be a top 3 or 4 and play some 5 with the smallball going. Gotta watch those supreme athletes!
Joe Wolf hit it right on the head comparing him to Brandan Wright, I agree that Randolph maybe has a lower BB IQ than Wright but Randolph might be more athletic and like Wright he could just be taking his time to find his niche in the NBA.
Wright had to mature physically to make his mark in the NBA and Randolph may have to do that more mentally.