Anthony Davis' Value
My question is what do you guys think Anthony Davis' trade value will be to the team that gets the first pick overall? I know many of you really love Davis and think he is a franchise player, I still have my doubts but regardless, If say Charlotte gets the first pick I think the best move for them would to be trade it because they need more then what Davis brings to get out of the cellar. What do you think he or the first pick is worth?
In the lottery era, Webber is the only #1 pick to be traded before playing for the team that drafted him. The Magic got the #3 pick plus 3 future first rounders. I doubt anyone would pay anything like that for Davis but whoever wins the lottery could definitely demand a nice haul if they wanted. maybe something like a top 5 pick in this draft, a future 1st rounder and a teams best young player ?
I'd say it's something that should always be considered... With a team like Charlotte that has so many holes I'd say if they can bring in 2-3 real quality young players that could be a future core of the team it makes a lot of sense...
This is ridiculous. You got a big men who is about to become the first freshman in the history of college basketball to average atleast 14ppg, 9 rpg, and 4bpg, is currently leading Robinson by a slight edge on ESPN's Play Of The Year Straw Poll, and is just basically the most dominant big man college basketball has saw since Tim Duncan (even Oden didn't dominate like Davis is doing) and you're already talking about trading him?
News Flash: teams are starting to empty out their gas tanks to be in position to draft this dude and not because they want him to trade him.
Should Spurs trade Duncan because they were contenders and already had Robinson?
Should the the Clippers of not drafted Blake Griffin because they had Kamen, and could of resigned Brand?
Should the Wizards of traded the Wall pick because they needed more help?
The Cavs need help across the board but would it of been a good idea to trade Kyrie for extra help?
I don't understand your logic. The Bobcats need exactly what Davis can bring to the table. One player can change your whole franchise and whether you think he's that good or not theres no doubt he atleast has that potential.
If they got the first pick they would be ecstatic for the chance to draft Davis and the last thing they would even think about doing is shopping the pick. Davis would combine with Biyombo to form one of the most imposing defnesive frontlines in the league and create block party's in Charlotte. And Kemba would pair with Davis perfectly to have a running mate who can finish at the rim.
Kemba, Gerald Henderson, (Upgrade at SF), Biyombo, and Davis would be exactly what the Bobcats were praying for going forward. And they still got DJ Augustine, Byron Mullens, Tyrus Thomas, and Derrick Brown off the bench who are all solid cogs.
And they have to know it's going to be around a 2 year rebuilding process even from the time they would get Davis. So combine Kemba, Biyombo, and Davis with somebody like Shabazz next year the Bobcats have their best team ever.
Basketball is a team game. If you get offered players that would make your team better than just the addition of the one you'll get in the draft I think logically that makes sense. Honestly if you don't even consider it that'd be pretty foolish..
So the Lakers should trade Kobe cuz the rest of their team stinks to get more player?
This isn't football, basketball is the only sport where one player makes that big of a difference. Like I said what if the Cavs would of traded Irving for any 3 other players from that draft would that of been a smart move? NO! Kyrie is on his way to becoming one of the best PG's in the league. He's the face the franchise has needed since James bounced.
The Bobcats need that face. They don't need random players, they need THAT GUY. They need that guy who is going to sell tickets and give the city hope that the team will eventually become a force because you have a force.
Would the Clippers of looked smart now had they traded Blake Griffin for some more picks and some decent players? No, nobody would still care about the Clippers if it wasn't for Blake. That's the impact one player can have in basketball. When you get the chance to draft a player with that type of potential you don't even consider trading it. Not unless another team gives you a superstar which wouldn't happen.
It's funny how quickly it went from being Drummond to Drummond or Davis to just Davis.
Like any bottom dweller, they would need a star more than a collection of solid players. Unlike in the NFL, it seldom makes sense for an NBA team to trade the 1st overall pick. Davis would be an outstanding asset to Charlotte and help them more than adding, say three mid-1st round picks that may or may not pan out.
I'm from North Carolina and the Bobcats NEED a face to their franchise.
Everytime I go down to Charlotte I'm looking forward to seeing that unibrowed shot blocking machine on billboards everywhere.
It might scare away tourists because he's an ugly mofo, but what the hell he'd be OUR ugly mofo.
ANTHONY DAVIS COME ON DOWWWN
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What do you mean? This happens every year. People have their projected 1st overall players going into the season and that changes one the games start being played. Davis was always considered a top 3 pick going into the season, but as the season started to progress it become pretty obvious Davis was head and shoulders ahead of any other prospect in this draft class. Last year Barnes was considered the first pick.
It happened quicker this year tho. Davis quickly become number one in my book about a month into the season once he established the ability to play in the post and dominate on defense.
There were a few people still resistent to Davis' prospects and were in love with Drummonds body, but his body of work just didn't live up to expectations. You can't just dominate college based on size and athleticism like people thought Drummond would do, and so many people ignorantly think Davis is doing.
There are still a few people who think Drummond should go over Davis based on his size. Davis is supposed to have trouble with people who outweight him tho I haven't saw it happen yet.
What's really funny is how people were saying Davis couldn't score and after today's game vs Florida where he dropped 23 and even hit a 3 pointer for good measure, people are saying well he couldn't stop Pat Young and now they aren't questioning his offense but his ability to guard bigger player...SMH...Davis still had 12 rebounds and 6 blocks in a win I dunno what more people need to see.
All I'm saying is besides Dwight the 3 best defensive centers in the league are probably Camby, Chandler, and Noah. I don't think anyone of them weight more then 240 pounds so how much of a problem is weight really?
Anthony Davis is good... Some people like ^ have drank all the Koolaid and think that he is a once in 15-20 years prospect... I dont think he is that great, but that highlights why you can't trade Davis... People have such different opinions of him.. some think he is going to be like Camby who took a long time to find his place while others think he is going to be like Hakeem who was 20 and 10 out the gate... When there is such a difference in valuation it is going to be hard to get a deal because if you are shopping the pick you are basically saying " I think he is going to take a while and may not reach his full potential, but I want to sell him to you at price representing his full potential..." Being that the draft is soo deep this year... teams will prob be less likely to trade multiple picks if they have them (New Orleans, Utah, Boston, LAL) because they will think they can find someone to fit another need somewhere else.
The Webber move is different and unique in this era (tho not in the 70s and 80s). It was a bad move by both teams which was not repeated by the Spurs (Also Robinson was approaching the twilight of his career). I dont like comparing college players over a long period of time as I think the game changes a lot and there is already so much disparity in talent within teams in a conference let along conferances as a whole...That said I think davis is going to be more of a 4-5 then a straight up 5. Also and finally, don't assume that charolette is going to get the 1st pick just because they have the best odds... If i remeber correctly their odds are only like 24% meaning there is a 76% chance that they do not get the pick... I think their best odds are for the 4th pick which is also their basement. Let's be honest though, its all fixed... NewOrleans is getting the 1st pick...
I don't understand how Davis can be better than Drummond in literally every statistical category from %, rebounds, blocks, steals, assist, turnovers ect. while playing for an elite team, while looking like the better player, but we still have people hyping Drummond.... cuz he weighs 40 more pounds?
Davis is a potential franchise changer and, at his age, he's not going to come in and in year 1 and take a team out of the lower half of the lottery. That's where more help comes from, not trading the potential franchise savior. Charolette could pair him with Biyombo for 2 athletic, defensive bigs who put in a ton of work on that end. The right system and they could be a top defensive team within 2-seasons (look how quickly Tor and Chi turned around on that end). Kemba can score, Gerald can defend. They'd need a 3 and depth, but they have at least 2-more years of sucking to find one (see the Thunder's ascent). There's not a single team in the lottery who should take anyone but Davis. If there is, please point it out.
"I don't understand how Davis can be better than Drummond in literally every statistical category from %, rebounds, blocks, steals, assist, turnovers ect. while playing for an elite team, while looking like the better player, but we still have people hyping Drummond.... cuz he weighs 40 more pounds?"
Because you draft based on potential future performance, not based on past performance. Otherwise, the Bulls should have taken Mike Beasley over Derrick Rose.
That being said, Davis should be the #1 pick this year, and since you don't get a chance to add a potential franchise-level talent like that every year, you take the chance on him, because even though basketball is a team sport, you traditionally don't win championships without a star player, and you won't get that kind of star player in any trade.
^^^ And that's why so many People get fired because they draft off potential when the player isn't very productive. Besides that Davis has more potential in every thing than Drummond. Drumond is just bigger and that's where it ends. Davis is better in everything else while also having a lot of room to grow.
The scary part is Cal has said he has held Davis back on offense and that he has started to let him do more lately and it has clearly showed. He is now hitting more jumpers, driving more handling more yet still shooting a high fg percentage and being efficant. People need to stop getting size mixed up with potential because Davis has higher potential than Drummond. You have to factor in what a player does now and his motor when throwing out potential.
A.Randolph always had potential as well as D.Jordan but you could clearly see they would never reach it because of their lack of motor or work ethic or just how raw they were at so late in their careers
So combine Kemba, Biyombo, and Davis with somebody like Shabazz next year the Bobcats have their best team ever
I don't know what is sadder, how unimpressive it is to be "The best Bobcats team ever", or how this foursome would probably fail to do so.
He is scoring 14 PPG against a weak schedule. He wont block 5 shots a game in the NBA. He won't play Center in the NBA. He wont be a double digit rebounder in the NBA (Remember when Beasley was a 12.4 PG rebounder in college?), Why would it be ridiculous to talk about what you could get for him in a trade. One guarantee I have, with Davis, the Bobcats will still suck for the next 5 years. One thing I never see from Anthony Davis is "carrying a team" potential. He gets the majority of points on dunks and put backs (Oh, but I will get negged because he hit his 2nd three of the season yesterday!! Woohoo!!) He is on a stacked team, where they allow him to let his strengths show exclusively. The closest thing hes faced to NBA big is Tyler Zeller, and he got outplayed. I'm not saying he wont be a nice piece. I'm saying he wont be a STAR.
When I typed that I paused and was like wow this is sad because it really would be their best team ever because they basically have succed since their inception...SMH...I was waiting for somebody to disagree lol.
But just because Beasley doesn't average double digit rebounds in the NBA don't mean Davis can't that's just ridiculous because they're physical profiles are completely different. Beasley is undersized and doesn't have a massive wingspan. Beasley is only 6'7 in socks with a 7" wingspan and a 8'11" standing reach. Anthony Davis is ATLEAST 6'9" in socks and has around a 7'6" wingspan (as reported by NBADRAFT.NET) and a well over 9 foot standing reach. Combine them measurements with his timing and anticipation skills and he's going to do his thing on any level. Davis don't always use athleticism to beat people he's smarter then them, he thinks and anticipates.
Davis' length is going to gobble up rebounds and still swat shots away in the NBA. If somebody thinks he's going to average 5 bpg in the NBA they'd be out of their mind Hakeen and Mutombo didn't even do that. But theres no reason to think he can't lead the league in blocks. Even Dalemberts skinny behind was able to average 10 rpg and lead the league in blocks at one point, are you saying Davis isn't a better prospect then Dalembert. Of that matter right now McGee is doing it, do you remenber what McGee looked like coming out of Nevada?
And we all know how Coach Cal coaches and he rarely let's big men handle the ball or create offense. Even Cousins was severaly limited while playing at Kentucky. Cousins is now in the NBA proving he can carry a team for long stretches.
You're saying he plays against a weak schedule like Kentucky plays in the OVC or something they've beaten every ranked team they've faced. They just dismanted Florida. And Davis is on a tear right now on the offense because Caliprari has given him more freedom. Only people who don't watch him play would think he can't score on his own because he clearly has a ton of moves both from the face up and the post.
In fact I'd challenge somebody to come up with another freshman big man over 6'10 who could score easier then Davis does in college.
So because he's a 14ppg scorer he won't score much in the NBA? You do realize why he is scoring 14ppg right? That tends to happen when you have so many offensive options genius. Can't compare him to Beasley since one was a Center in college then moved to Sf as well has being shorter,less athletic, lower motor. You obviously havn't Watched much of Uk other that sportscenter or you would know Cal has held Davis back on offense (which he said over and over again) and ever since he has let him loose more Davis has shown more of his offensive game
As far as bot being a Star let me ask you this
Did Dwade look like a potential star as a freshman?
Not saying he's them but in no way can you tell if a player thats 19 years old, will be a star or not
Ment to add to people who laugh at scoring by lobs and Dunks, if that was so easy wouldn't more players who are 6'10 be doing it? and that's with out a top notch pg (teague is good and a future NBA pg but Davis will have better pg's throwing him lobs on the next level
"Should the the Clippers of not drafted Blake Griffin because they had Kamen, and could of resigned Brand?"
Wasn't Brand gone before the Blake Griffin draft?
Davis may only average 14 ppg, but he is insanely efficient. He has yet to attempt over 13 shots in a game this year. He may not be a volume scorer out of the gate, but he should be a very good offensive player by the end of his rookie season. His ability to run the floor, catch any pass in his zip code, and finish shouldn't be taken for granted. Plus, he has outstanding athleticism and coordination for a big man and seems to have natural touch. He has the tools and apparently the work ethic to become an excellent offensive option down the road. uknation was exactly right: Davis' ability to finish lobs and get "easy" finishes at the rim is not something that should be taken for granted. That often is more likely to translate to the NBA than isolation scoring ability.
Drummond has potential, but he hasn't shown more than flashes of potential stardom. He just isn't as good a basketball player as Davis is right now, and Davis seems to be more willing/able to improve.