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anthony davis-john henson similarities!?

im sold on henson's game, he could go top 10 too. idk why some people think he'll bust...this guy will for sure do his thing in the nba. great athleticism, nice around the basket, can post up. already good face up game and shows a good stroke and nice elevation on his shot, don't ask me why he cant make FTs!. also cant say he doesn't have potential to improve. 3 blocks a game even tho he's not a great willing defender.

now, does any see similarities with davis? i would say so...


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I agree with u, hes

I agree with u, hes practically exact same player.

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I agree with u, hes

I agree with u, hes practically exact same player.

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henson is getting straight

henson is getting straight disrespected in some people's draft... i've seen him go all the way down to 29th pick on good posters drafts, patric young over him, terrrence jones... its unbelievable how much ppl doubt him

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Yeah I wanted Henson to

Yeah I wanted Henson to declare last year so the Sixers would have a chance on him. I think he's going to be a very serviceable starter in the league. Ya gotta love his length, mobility, shot blocking ability, and mid range jumper. He can become a good pick and pop threat while protecting the rim on defense.

There are some similarities with Davis' game. But Henson was born in 1990 and Davis was born in '93. As a freshman Davis is already better at pretty much every facet of the game. Plus Davis don't look like he's gonna have the same problem gaining weight as Henson does. Henson has spent the past 3 years at UNC working his tail off to gain a some extra pounds and he's still barely able to tip the scales north of 225.

His game is about as similar to Davis' as Kendell Marshall is to Jason Kidd's. Same idea....

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exactly! ^ and obviously

exactly! ^ and obviously davis>>>henson.

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I thought Henson should of

I thought Henson should of been a top 10 pick last year and people doubted him. This year he's improved even more and has finally shown he can be a reliable scoring threat while continuing to rebound and block shots at a high rate.

I like Henson more then I like Moultrie who Aran has going really high.

@JrbenzCuse....C'Mon Son! They're practically the same player? Really dude? So if you were drafting you would really have to think about if you were going to select Davis over Henson? Henson averaged 5 ppg as a freshman.

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Henson/Davis are the same in

Henson/Davis are the same in build, but Henson isn't a star I feel. Henson is too hot and cold sometimes for me.

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i don't know if agree with

i don't know if agree with "Henson is too hot and cold sometimes" he's pretty consistent imo

he's had 3 games under 10 pts and they go like this:

8pts 17rebs 5blks

7pts 11rebs 7blks

9pts 10rebs 5blks

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It wouldnt surprise me at all

It wouldnt surprise me at all if Henson gets drafted anywhere in the 10 to 35 range...Teams really love

*his length

*ability to block or alter shots

*great feel for the game

*ability to play with his back to the basket

*despite being slender he's not afraid of contact

*his ability to put the ball on the floor and take guys off the dribble.

Those skills have him in the 10 to 20 range...

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But the reasons why some have him going in the 20 to 35 range are

*inability to hit the mid-range shot & 47.9% free throw shooter as a sophomore

*post game is still a work in progress

*his thin frame,needs to add about 20 lbs of muscle to bang inside at the next level...

*he's clumsy,lack of athleticism & quickness causes him to have a hard time changing directions

Some scouts love him and see him becoming a positive contributor, in the Theo Ratliffe mold....While others dislike his overall game and compare him to former Tar-Heel Scott Williams who wasnt a star,but was a solid role player for over a decade...Where he goes will depend on which teams will overlook his weaknesses and fall in love with his strengths...

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do not agree with: *he's

do not agree with:

*he's clumsy, lack of athleticism & quickness causes him to have a hard time changing directions*

*inability to hit the mid-range shot*

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Anthony Davis John Henson similarities
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^ coming from a guy with

^ coming from a guy with patric young>henson... smh

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Henson is who all these Camby

Henson is who all these Camby comparisons should be for.

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Davis looks as if he has way

Davis looks as if he has way more upside than Henson and could be the sort of player that you could build around whilst Henson would be a great complimentary player on a team looking to go forward. I personally see Davis as a top 3 pick and Henson in the mid to late lottery range.

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who said they are the same

who said they are the same built???

If you'are comparing 21yo Henson with still 18 Davis then yes same weigh similar abilities and so on BUT...

John measured 183(!!!) at the end of HS and Anthony was 209 at nike hoop summit..Henson after 3yrs is 220 and probably has reached his ceiling body wise because of age and narrow shoulders..Davis after only half of year measured 220 now he is around 225 and is going w/o any problems to gain another 15-20pounds..

talking about skills he shoots ft over 70percent and looks to be in 80's in pros for a long time, last couple weeks showed he will be able to shoot consistently jumpers and handle the ball..

so if you are comparing them today yes there are similarities, but if you are looking at their freshmen year or what AD would be in 2yrs the only similarity in length and shot-blocking(and even there Anthony is much better despite John being elite one too)

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^ Yeah, Henson has done a

^ Yeah, Henson has done a good job of putting on weight, but he was just so thin to start out with. You have to think there isn't much more for him to gain.

I really do like Henson, but there is a big difference between the two. I just feel Henson doesn't do enough to put him above players that will be chosen in the lottery. He shoots a good 10 footer, but his FT shooting is awful, and you can't teach a 7'5'' wingspan, but when his average opponent is 6'9'' 240 lbs, I don't think his rebounding will be as effective. The one part of his game that I feel will translate the best is shot blocking, but I think he's probably in the 15-25 range.

People see Davis at 18 and can easily picture a unibrowed defensive monster weighing 245 and causing havok while possessing an emerging offensive game and a soft shooting touch. Something John Henson has never really showed.

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There are some similiarities.

There are some similiarities. Length, defensive specialists, athleticism. I think Henson is more of a role player while Davis has franchise player potential.

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John Henson is just a bit too

John Henson is just a bit too skinny for me to say he'll be a standout. He's a great shotblocker, and rebounder, and he's improved a good bit offensively and in terms of gaining weight. He just doesn't have the right kinda frame for me to think he'll be a starter in the NBA. He also isn't good enough offensively to make up for his lack of girth, because he isn't that smooth or a mismatch as a ball-handler and his jumper has to be set up for him he cant just go get his own 15 ft shot off the bounce very well.

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When its all said and done, I

When its all said and done, I dont think one will necessarily be better than the other. I think they both could end up being the same level player. The system they go into and how slowly they can be brought along is a factor.

The difference is.....Davis is much more skilled and well rounded at an earlier age than Henson (hence the reason his upside is viewed as greater). Davis is just much more advanced as an 18 year old than Henson. Henson however has show great improvement in all areas each year....minus the FT shooting, which I think he is getting better at as well, just not rapidly.

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Henson is not a very good

Henson is not a very good prospect. He doesn't have much touch offensively around the hoop and limited beyond 10-feet, he is slightly built, and an NBA coach will exile him to Elba the first time he arrives late for a rotation to set up a blocked shot opportunity. I'm completely willing to pass on him and let some other team. What he does well does not offset the deficiencies. Plus, he will be parting from Kendall Marshall. I cannot unsee how UNC's players looked when they didn't have Marshall setting them up.

Davis is not a center. I know this is so incredibly hard for people to gather, but college basketball is not the NBA. He measured out last spring at under 6'10" in shoes and the most optimistic measures of his weight put him at 220 lbs. That is not an NBA center. That is not the next Hakeem, not the next Tim Duncan, not the next Dwight Howard, not the next Bill Russell, or any other NBA All-Star you want to name. For all the Kentucky fans who want to praise his performance against Vanderbilt and Festus Ezeli, please understand Festus Ezeli is also not going to be an NBA center.

Other than the fact that Andrei Kirilenko came to the NBA from CSKA Moscow and didn't play the center position against a bad SEC, there is very little difference in their physical makeup. Kirilenko was more polished offensively, though he was definitely a beneficiary early on from John Stockton and Mark Jackson (two names never to be mentioned in the same sentence as Kemba Walker, Jarrett Jack, and Jerryd Bayless). Jared Jeffries had a similar body (though taller) and one should never forget how good he was at Indiana. The only place he has ever found any modicum of success in the NBA has been with Mike D'Antoni. Anthony Randolph (though probably too knuckleheaded to be a fair comparison) went into the SEC with a similar body and had a very comparable freshman year with more responsibility and less help. Taj Gibson entered with the same body and similar offensive game, but was more advanced defensively because he played a NBA-styled defense at USC and also much older. To compare him to franchise changing NBA Hall of Famers based off little more than blocking shots in college is foolish To think that there is just this loaded offensive game that has been hidden from sight because Kentucky's half court offense that can make a viewer's eyes bleed is just too good to showcase him is foolish. If Davis was good enough to run the offense through they would. All that said, he is better than John Henson. He doesn't do the dumb things on the court that Henson does.

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BTPH.....pure honesty.....

I am not going to sugar coat it. I am born-raised UNC fan since Phil Ford played.

I dont know how much you watch UNC basketball, but I disagree with some of what you are saying.

"Henson is not a good prospect" - He is a very good prospect, that length, athleticism and skill just doesnt grow on trees. Henson doesnt stand out because he is not specatular offensively. He didnt stand out to me, but a few things do. When Henson was a freshman, some of the games they did win was because of him. He has a lot of heart and great motor. He is relentless on defense. His footwork is very coordinated for someone at his stage.

"I cannot unsee how UNC's players looked when they didn't have Marshall setting them up." - Love KMarsh, he gets a lot of credit, as he should, but also, people seem to think these players wont be good with out him. Untrue. These are top level college players and they will play with the likes of better PG's than Marshall.

this is the harsh reality that most, including UNC fans dont want to admit or come out of denial about. ROY WILLIAMS IS NOT A GREAT COACH. He never was. He just had talent he inherited from Larry Brown and Matt Doherty, and anyone can get players to come to UNC. He is a decent, average, mid-level coach who cant get the most out of the talent he has but has managed to win 2 titles because the players were so skilled they basically didnt need a coach.

So, in relation to Henson....yes, he does dumb things....so does Zeller. Their IQ needs improving, but it aint gonna get better under Roy, only when they get to the next level will they learn. Roy is not a good developer of talent. Also, you say they were bad before Marshall was at the helm, thats due to Roy as well as he stuck with Larry Drew II. Drew was terrible, and getting worse by the game. Yes Marshall makes them look good, but thats what a good PG is supposed to do. Its not like Henson is garbage dressed up by Marshall. He his good on the glass and although his offensive game is a work in progress, he is a lot farther along than he was 2 years ago.

Henson like Davis was a guard who grew 6" between his sophomore and junior seasons in HS. Everyone doesnt develop at the same pace, so you have to take that into account, as well as how they were used in HS and College.

As a hunch, because of they way they play and their ball skills, Davis falls under the mold of Garnett...and excellent defender who can be a knock down shooter from 15" with developing passing and ballhandling ability.

Henson falls more into the mold of Camby, a good PF who splits time inside and away from the basket and is effective in either area but not specatacular. A good rebounder and shot blocker who will be a good 3rd-4th guy.

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@Surve i can't believe you

@Surve i can't believe you said that when it's all said and done Davis and Henson will be about the same. Wow.

@BTPH, I usually agree with your arguments but you're wrong about Davis. For starters he's clearly grown since he was last measured. He's atleast a legit 6'11. If you watch him stand side by side next to anybody listed at 6'10 or 6'11 Davis is taller. Fez is listed at 6'11 and Davis got a good inch on him, Meaning Fez is probably closer to 6'10. And Fez may not have the talent to be a starting Center in the NBA but he certainly got the body and athleticism and he's no slouch either. He's older and mature, and if it wasn't for his age he'd probably get's looks at the end of the 1st round. But he'll be atleast a 2nd rounder.

And Davis' build isn't like Henson's where he's going to have trouble putting on weight. He's already put on over 20 lbs since arriving at Kentucky. That's a lot of weight and if you look at his shoulders he's gonig to be able to put on a lot more without losing athleticism and quickly. But going into the draft Davis' measurements are going to be around 6'11-230-7'4.5"wingspan-9'4"standing reach. They are great measurements for the modern Center. The only reason he wouldn't play Center in the league is if he get's drafted to a team that already has one. But if he goes to a team like the Hornets that just need anything, I'll bet they groom him into a Center, because you want your Center to control the paint the way he does.

Anthony Davis in high school:

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Anthony Davis now: (Notice PF

Anthony Davis now:

(Notice PF Terrence Jones who was measured at 6'9 in sneakers over the summer and 240 pounds. This image suffers from depth perception but it's still plain as day Davis has about 2 inches on Jones now.)

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In comparison take a look at

In comparison take a look at Dwight Howard in high school who was and still is considered a man child. Still Howard in high school while he was strong, he was nowhere near as jacked as he is today but one look at his shoulders and it become clear he would become bigger.

Now look at Howard years later:

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Here's a cool one because of

Here's a cool one because of they're statistical similarities. When Ewing was in his SR. year at G'Town he won the Naismith National Player of the Year Award by only averaging 14.6 ppg, but also 9.2 rpg, and 3.6 bpg, and shot 62% from the field. Many people questioned how good of a scorer he would be in the league but knew he would become a defensive force.

Davis' is averaging 14, 9, and over 4 bpg, while shooting 65% but not as a SR, as a freshman! But the Ewing and Davis similarities go beyond just the numbers take a look:

LMAO....Now doesn't he look like somebody?

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Great

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LOL I'm warning everybody now

LOL I'm warning everybody now next time I hear Anthony Davis is too skinny to play Center in the NBA i'm posting this pic of Ewing from his leg modelling profile.

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Mr. 19134, you can have your

Mr. 19134, you can have your little fun with photos that tell absolutely nothing, but my statements are based off recorded measurements. Yours are nothing but what you want to believe. You think a picture of Anthony Davis standing five feet in front of Terrence Jones says anything? You think an angled photo of a prep Dwight Howard says anything? Dwight Howard was weighed and measured prior to his draft. We know what he was at just as we know what Anthony Davis was at. Here you go 6' 10 1/4" 240 lbs.

Feel free to find me proof that I am wrong, but there is that little issue of the fact not being on your side. As for Festus Ezeli, the problem isn't his age it is that he is not very good. Maybe he gets taken in the 2nd round. There is no such thing as a bad 2nd round pick when it is used on a big man, but he isn't an NBA center. Not a starter, not a backup. "He is a very good prospect, that length, athleticism and skill just doesnt grow on trees. Henson doesnt stand out because he is not specatular offensively. He didnt stand out to me, but a few things do. When Henson was a freshman, some of the games they did win was because of him. He has a lot of heart and great motor. He is relentless on defense. His footwork is very coordinated for someone at his stage." His length and athleticism get him a roster spot, but to me - and I fully acknowledge not everyone values prospects the way I do - there is not enough functional differentiation between him and guys who have significantly lower draft projections to get excited. Brandan Wright as a lottery pick was a bad value for Golden State. He was a great value as an on the street free agent pickup for Dallas. Earl Clark was a bad value for Phoenix in the lottery, but he is a nice guy to have at the minimum for Orlando. Ekpe Udoh was a bad prospect, in my eyes, because the length, athleticism, heart, and being "relentless on defense" does not keep Golden State from having to decide this summer as to whether to pick up a $4.5 million option. He is the exact player they drafted, and it is the negative side of the ledger that translated too. That side has to be accounted for too. John Henson isn't going to be worth that kind of money either, and that is why I have zero issue letting someone else have him. I can get someone whose value goes beyond how long he is and an ability to run. I can't find players like Royce White or Cody Zeller on the scrap heap or in the 2nd round. Give me one of them in the first, and I'm sure you can also get a functionally equivalent player in the 2nd or for the minimum in free agency.

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I don't know bro... Someone like Davis just don't dominate like he has without becoming a star or potential star in the league... He has the motor, athleticism, length, brain, and opportunity to become one... Which is half the battle... Do I think he will play Center?? No, but does it matter?? Comparing him to KG is way better at this point because he can hit that 15 foot shot... He has good form too so I think it can become lethal.... Remember a lot of players progression have to do with opportunities... Which he will be the #1 pick, he'll get his chance... If anything his level of play is only proving how much he will live up to expectations...

John Henson reminds me of Ed Davis not Anthony Davis... John play around too much for me while Anthony always have the same competitive demeanor... I think you can go to Davis for a score while Henson it would be much harder... Plus Davis is from Chicago which their players have been doing well lately led by D. Rose... He'll be fine...

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I currently have Henson going

I currently have Henson going 15th in my mock draft. He will most likely be a lotter pick especially when we find out who will be entering (I still have Drummond, MKG, Rivers, Jones, Beal, Ross, and everybody capable in my mock draft until they commit to another year of school). With a good UNC tournament in which he displays the same consistancy he has this year he will move into my Top 10. I believe he will be a good starter in the NBA and love the fact that his expectations are not through the roof. He should exceed his expectations by producing well in a featuring role as a coordinated PF offensively that can hit open jumpers within the flow of the offense. He should be able to contribute well defensively as an energetic and active weak side defender and garbage guy on the glass and loose balls. He will struggle to create his own offense and to defend stronger PFs in the NBA which will keep him as a serviceable role player.

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im willing to bet money that

im willing to bet money that davis will be able to play center!

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Yes you got the measurements

Yes you got the measurements from when Howard weight in at the combine very good which was around 240. Right now Anthony Davis weighs about 225 and by the time the combine rolls around he's going to weigh in over 230. It's not going to be hard for Davis to put on atleast 5 extra pounds in preparation for the draft athletes do it every year. Anthony Randolph put on a good 15 pounds before the combine. So that means Davis is going to weigh in at atleast 230 which is only 10 pounds lighter then Howard did. Even tho Howard was about 9 months younger then Davis will be at the combine it's still not a huge number.

And go check out Anthony Davis' profile on this site, on their latest scouting update they report Davis' wingspan being 7'6" not the 7'4" he was measured at which is consistent with everything I see and hear about Davis' having grown.

And as for Fez the other site just did a full scouting update on him for free to check it out, but one paragraph in particular jumped out at me:

"What makes Ezeli intriguing will alwaysstartwith his 6'11, 255-pound frame. Possessing prototypical size and athleticism for a NBA center, Ezeli has no shortage of physical tools. As we learned in his match up against Anthony Davis of Kentucky, he may struggle against truly elite level athletes at his position at this stage in his career, but solid performance as an upperclassman in the college game and upside at the NBA level revolve around his ability to utilize his size effectively on both ends of the floor."

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1o2iv6vNI
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They mention how Ezeli's biggest selling points in the NBA are his size and athleticism and how he uses them so effective in college yet he wasn't able to use either his size or athleticism against the much skinnier Anthony Davis....hhhmmmm....I wonder why?

And every NBA scout says that Davis' build is going to be able to gain weight easily without losing athleticism and that was not the case with Brandon Wright who would of probably went higher had he had Davis' build. And had it not been for injuries Brandon Wright would be a productive starter because he's always been productive in limited minutes and is doing fine with the Mavericks right now.

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Oh and here's a picture that

Oh and here's a picture that is clear as day showing you Davis standing next to Terrence Jones 6'9", Elroy Vargas #30 whose 6'11", Kyle Wiltjer #33 6'10", MKG 6'7", Darius Miller 6'7" (UK has Miller listed as 6'8" which is an obvious embelishment)

But you seem to get the point especially considering Vargas is a legit 6'11 if not 7 feet and Davis is virtually the same exact size.

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My 2 cents on Fez

I think as a pro, you can look to Solomon Alabi as to what kind of player he'll be. Festus reminds me a lot of Alabi when he was at Florida State, in both his physical tools and game, althought Alabi had a softer shooting touch.

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There are similarities. They

There are similarities. They are both athletic big men with lean builds and are fantastic shot blockers. Davis is better at his strengths, bigger, and younger. Only thing that Henson has over him is a midrange jumper.

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Mr. 19134, it is possible

Mr. 19134, it is possible Eloy Vargas grew as a 21 year old junior transfer from Florida where he was measured at 6'10" to 6'1" and now that he is 23 it is theoretically possible he sprouted up another inch. The scenerio that exists widely at colleges and most likely tells the story in Lexington is that the listed college heights and weights are put together with very little thought and zero actual scales or tape measures.

Festus Ezeli is a big guy who is foul and turnover prone who will walk into some blocked shots and get an occassional dunk. I'm not going to categorize him any differently from Miles Plumlee. Maybe some team likes him. Some team liked Solomon Alabi enough to give him four years despite not being any good. Good for Alabi, but I was able to see with my own eyes what he was at FSU and knew he wasn't good. Why should I care if someone else likes a bad big men? Enjoy your Hassan Whitesides, Solomon Alabis, Bismack Biyombos, and myriad of bad unskilled big men. If it wasn't for bad decision making, the Golden State Warriors might have made the playoffs more than once in the past seventeen years.

Anthony Davis may be able to gain weight, but that would push him from an NBA 3 to an NBA 4. Congrats, Taj Gibson plays the 4. You don't want him out there against a real NBA center either.

"And every NBA scout says that Davis' build is going to be able to gain weight easily without losing athleticism and that was not the case with Brandon Wright who would of probably went higher had he had Davis' build. And had it not been for injuries Brandon Wright would be a productive starter because he's always been productive in limited minutes and is doing fine with the Mavericks right now."

Brandan Wright went 8th. The build difference of what maybe 5 lbs wasn't going to change anything, but he has actually put on a considerable amount of weight since leaving UNC. You probably haven't noticed because Dallas still needs protects him from matched up against bigger centers. That is a problem when a guy goes in the lottery. You don't want lottery picks who have such major limitations. It isn't when a team picks him up for the minimum as a free agent, because the level of investment is minimal. The thing is though, even with Wright adding weight, it didn't mean he added weight to his base. He still has thin legs. Take a look at your little photo of a freshman Patick Ewing. Notice the tree trunk legs?

"Plus Davis is from Chicago which their players have been doing well lately led by D. Rose... He'll be fine..."

I missed the All-Star game, how did Julian Wright do?

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"Anthony Davis may be able to

"Anthony Davis may be able to gain weight, but that would push him from an NBA 3 to an NBA 4."

good point, but i really don't see anthony davis a 3 on offense. and on defense, he'll be able to go up to 235-240lbs or more and still shut down SFs in spurts, not the entire game. he will be able to guard 3 positions.

now, if he is trying to be a combo forward, his chances of playing at C would be pretty much out the window

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Brandon Wright is also soft

Brandon Wright is also soft and that's a huge reason why he don't play center plus he was never a great rebounder or rim protector at UNC but has gotten a little better in the league.

Davis excels at both. Just like Noah and to a certain extent Javelle McGee, athletic Centers who rebound, block shots, and run the floor are going to have a place. Noah nor McGee had any meat on their bones coming into the league and both of them seem to be doing fine putting up with other Centers. And Davis has far more talent right now then either of them ever will have.

I don't really understand who you think Davis has to go against in the post if he plays Center Shaq and Yao retired. What is there one center in the league who can put his back to the basket and average 20 points a night?

Dalembert played years weighing only 235-240 at Center and was always one of the league leaders in rebounding and blocked shots.

Marcus Camby only weights 230 right now!

Tyson Chandler only weights like 240 right now!

Like you're acting it's unprecendented for a Center to weight below 240 and be effective in the league when the biggest contract signed last off season was a center who only weighed 240 because he just won a championship!

And if you were to put Taj Gibson and Anthony Davis side by side you would realize why one plays forward and the other can play Center. Basically look at the picture again and take 30 pounds off of Terrence Jones and that's about the size Gibson is.

How can you deny a picture that is clear as day with players standing side by side with Davis being clearly, like clearly inches taller then the other forwards?

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Maybe the best comparision

Maybe the best comparision for John Henson,might be former nba player John Salley...

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Your picture doesn't speak to

Your picture doesn't speak to how tall they are, just roughly how tall they are relative to each other. Like I have said, my statements are based off the fact that there were people who had a scale and tape measure to establish height and weight. You don't like those results, so you scramble for something else to believe in.

Sam Dalembert has always blocked shots and rebounded, how is he doing helping the Rockets keep teams from scoring inside? 28th in opponents points in the paint, but hey he is 6th in blocks per minute. Biyombo is 2nd in blocks per minute, but the Bobcats are 29th in opponents points in the paint as well as giving up more points per possession with him on the court than off it. Ibaka and McGee are 1-2 in blocks, but their teams are 26th and 24th in giving up points in the paint. Don't give me this debunked nonsense about blocking shots and good defense in the NBA being correlated. Have you ever considered that some of these big guys get a lot of blocked shots because teams find it to be so easy to get into the paint? Dwight Howard's blocked shot numbers aren't among the elite of the elite, but the Magic have given up fewer points in the paint than any team in 2010, 2011, and at the moment are 0.3 behind the league leader. Hmm... maybe that is because players don't challenge Howard like they do others. If your team is bad enough to get the number 1 pick in the draft, then there ought to be enough sense to put the player they take in a spot where he isn't playing out of position. You want a team to put Davis in a position to be good on your fantasy team, not to actually improve the team's results.

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BTPH the Toronto Raptors are

BTPH the Toronto Raptors are 1st in opponent points in the paint. Does that mean Amir Johnson, Ed Davis, Aaron Gray, Jamaal Magloire and James Johnson are the best frontcourtdefenders in the league.

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No. The Raptors are fouling

No. The Raptors are fouling teams and putting them on the line, which is why despite not giving up points in the paint they are still a bad defensive team that gives up easy points. I tend to believe that what Dwane Casey is trying to do is preach the importance of not allowing easy baskets inside. It is what Jerry Sloan used to do with his old "no layups" philosophy. Better to put them on the line than give up a dunk or layup, but that is not the same thing as being a good defensive team.

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def gonna bring up this post

def gonna bring up this post when davis is playing at 5

im not saying he can play center because bcus joel anthony can play C, but if joel anthony can play center anthony davis can play center

edit: 9 negs on a decent thread, there are def similarities between davis and henson. henson can go top 10 im not the only who thinks so.

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11 negs for arguing john

11 negs for arguing john henson can go top 10. just saw on DX...he's #8

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I'd be shocked if Henson went

I'd be shocked if Henson went top 10. I love the kid, but he's very limited and there's huge bust potential. Comparing him to Davis is utterly insane, by the way.

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so there are absolutely no

so there are absolutely no similarities? nothing huh?

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Sure there are. And? They

Sure there are. And? They also both have similarities with Brendan Wright and Anthony Randolph. I think Henson ends up with a lot more in common with the last two than Davis.

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so yes there are

so yes there are similarities, then is not "utterly insane" to talk about them. henson has a 7'6 wingspang and is a PF as opposed to randolph being a combo-forward trying to prove he's SF. henson will be a tough guard for every face-up PF in the league, and will be a guards nightmare coming from the weak side. he's not as laid back as randolph and has more game back to the basket.

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im drafting him knowing

im drafting him knowing that he will never play C. he will never gain much weight either. he will be the same player he is now, stronger, a lil more muscular.

he can run the floor too well. he's been beasting since freshman season posting 15p-11r-2a-2stls-4blks per 40 mins. this year he's improved (and im not basing this only on stats) to 19p-14r-2a-4blks 1.7 TOs per 40 mins, quite similar to anthony davis, and less like anthony randolph (based on freshman seasons too). and obviously AD>>>>>>henson.

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guess who's top 10?

guess who's top 10!?

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