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Is Anthony Davis

I don't know if any of you guys watch pardon the interruption on espn and jay bilas was saying that he believes that could possibly be as good as Tim Duncan and be a 10 time all star

I think that davis will be good and some all star games but saying he can be as good as Duncan who is arguably the best pf of all time is I think a stretch

What do u guys think about all of this


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I think Anthony Davis is the

I think Anthony Davis is the 2nd coming of Hakeem Olajuwon.

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Well he's off to a great

Well he's off to a great start tonight, showing off a nice baby hook then stepping up confidently for a 3 point shot and draining it.

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You see that jump hook and that 3

Davis is starting to show his skills more and more every game. I don't think you can honestly compare him to anyone at this point. A Marcus Camby with even more athleticism and defense that can shoot, dribble, pass, and play on the perimeter? That player does not exist.

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^ He did exist, that was

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He did exist, that was Kevin Garnett :)

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I don't know who to compare

I don't know who to compare him too, but all i know is we are watching a special player.

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Hakeem dominated both sides

Hakeem dominated both sides of the ball with speed, quickness, skill, and uncanny anticipation ability. That's what I see in Davis. Somebody who can dominate in the post with his athleticism, skill, and innate anticipation ability.

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@ Mr. 19134

HUH??? You comparing Anthony "Spiderman" Davis to "The Dream". Spiderman looks legit, but comparing him to "The Dream"...c'mon man. Let's start with Camby/Bosh for now...

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Great post D12

KG is that guy. Davis may be a better shot blocker but less of a shooter. Skill set wise I think Garnet is a good comparison.

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Yeah I agree

But I don't think Garnett was the same type of defender. Davis goes for more the block a lot more. I can see him getting over 3 blocks a game in the NBA. But then again, I'm sure Garnett might have been getting 5 blocks a game in college if he went. I agree he is definetley the closest and only thing to what Davis can become. I don't know if he will become, but he can. I don't like the Duncan comparison. Duncan is too wide and strong. I also think Duncan did not have the perimeter skills that Davis or Garnett had at the same age.

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d rav have to agree

Dream was the most fluid big man of all time.

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Some of the expectations for

Some of the expectations for this guy are ridiculous. I think he will become a good player in the NBA, but I highly doubt he will become an all time great like some are predicting.

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Yes Hakeem was the most fluid

Yes Hakeem was the most fluid big man off all time....so....are you trying to say that Anthony Davis is not fluid? Or he is not a great shot blocker? Or he won't be more athletic and just quicker then most of the NBA big men from day one? And why don't we get some highlights from a 19 year old Hakeem as a freshman in college instead of showing his footage from his prime when he was the best center in the NBA and saying Davis don't do that. DUH!!!

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He's Marcus Camby w/ more

He's Marcus Camby w/ more offensive potential. I say he has more offensive potential because he's more skilled and agile than young Camby.

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If he's Marcus Camby with a

If he's Marcus Camby with a lot more offensive potential and just all around a better athlete and more explosive...well I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Marcus Camby wouldn't be the best comparison then. What does he do like Camby besides block shots which he does by the way way better then Camby did as a freshman?

His numbers are almost exactly the same as Ewings during his senior when he won Naismith Player Of The Year with the lowest scoring average of 14.6, 9.2 rpg, and 3.6 bpg shooting 62%. Davis coming into tonights game is averaging 14.3ppg, 9.8 rpg, and 4.8 bpg shooting 65%.

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Honestly, there can be no

Honestly, there can be no more comparisons, he's starting to hit that mid-range jumper and 3 pointer and once that becomes a regularity in his arsenal, well it's over. He's got an OK jump hook right now althought it needs some work, but I believe his low post game will improve over time just like we've seen with his perimeter game.

He's a different kind of basketball player, can truly do it all. Looking forward to see what he's like 3-4 years from now!

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No I don't think he will be

No I don't think he will be that good. I think he will be a decent NBA basketball player. That's all. This guy does not have the offensive repituare NBA scouts and people are trying to say he does. The role he has on Kentucky may make his stats look worse because he doesn't have to be a big time scorer, but consider the flipside of that as well. On a nightly basis, he is going up against vastly inferior competiton, both 1 on 1 in the middle, and 5 on 5 in the game in general. He has NBA calibur players around him playing good on ball defense, allowing him to just float around and block shots. He also hasn't performed particularly well against the hand ful of decent teams and decent big men they have faced. Maybe he will be great, but lets hold off on all this Duncan talk.

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Damn

i dont watch a lot of college ball but if a guy is getting comparrisons like Tim Duncan, who many believe is the best 4 to ever play damn. and not to mention the dream and KG. even these camby/bosh amaze me. the defensive ability of a camby and offensive skill set of a bosh....that ish cray. if he ends up being like anything yall sayhe is going to DOMINATE in the nba.

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Let's wait

I think we have to wait to see if Davis is the real deal. I know, he has all the tools to be a special player in the NBA, even a perennial All Star, but you can't draw comparisons that soon with the best players in the history of the game. He needs to polish his game and he is still learning how to play the position, specially in the offensive end. So let the guy works and see what happen. Everything is possible, and sometimes it deppends on the team the player goes (coach's system, etc.). What I learned watching this year rookie class is that everything could happen, as you see with the last pick Isaiah Thomas starting and the overhyped Freddete at the bottom of the bench.

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Dream was soooo sick &

Dream was soooo sick & Duncan's career speaks for itself...i think Davis is a little too frail to ever dominate to that extent

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Davis weighs about 230 right

Davis weighs about 230 right now. He's put on a considerable amount of weight since arriving at Kentucky and has the perfect build to add more without jeopardizing his athleticism. Davis has really broad shoulders and his arms are noticeably thicker then when the season started, so weight won't be as big an issue as people are making it out to be. His length and understanding of leverage in the post more then make up for whatever shortcomings he has in the weight department anyway.

Thus far him being skinny hasn't stopped him from completely dominating college basketball to a tune that's never been whistled before. Anthony Davis is about to become the 1st college big man to average atleast 14, 9, and 4 bpg in his freshman year. Did Garnett have trouble because of his weight in the league? Did Bosh or Gasol? Even Hakeem and Ewing were skinny coming into the league. None of them had much of a problem adjusting to the league because they were smarter and possessed more talent then they're lumber counterparts.

In the last decade I've rarely ever compared a college prospect to the all time greats but Davis is different, the way he plays the game is something special.

Everybody keeps negging but nobody is giving legitimate reasons on what he lacks in talent and why he can't be great besides saying he's too skinny which is bogus.

@FvckSwagg I don't understand why you say Davis has no offensive game. Can Davis finish with touch around the rim at an incredibly high rate? Check. Can Davis convert a hook shot over either shoulder? Check. Can Davis shoot a turnaround fadeway over with shoulder in the post? Check. Does Davis have great shooting mechanics and can he hit free throws? Check. Can Davis face up and hit a jumper out to the 3 point line? Check. Can Davis take opposing big men off the dribble from the high post? Check.

I don't understand what's missing, or what more you would want to see a post man do on offense.

And neither Hakeem nor Duncan dominated the league with their weight, they dominated with grace, agility, and skill. Does Davis not display the same type of traits in his game? Has there been a big man in college with Davis all around skill set in the last decade?

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And I just wanted to remind

And I just wanted to remind people that we all are bloggers in an NBA Draft sight...stop and let that sink in...now with that said are we all not arm chair GM's? Are we all not hear because we love basketball and love predicting whose going to make it big and whose not? Don't you feel some strange pride when you call a player your friends doubt and watch him excel in the league to your buddies chagrin? Isn't that why we're here?

Let me remind you that it's not just people on this board comparing him to all time greats, but it's actual scouts, GM's, front office types, and the media whose really the ones who started it. I got that Ewing stat line from tonights game against Georgie when the commentators started comparing Davis to Ewing. So it's not just me whose crazy.

But I've been doing this for over the past 10 years. Following prospects, and making mock drafts, and then making mock's of how the draft should look because I never agree with most mocks. Nobody is ever always right but over the past few years I've called many of the sleepers and bad picks and I'm still waiting for Jerryd Bayless to break out lol...smh...Like most people on this sight knew Paul George was special. Most knew that he was better then Wes Johnson and should of been in consideration at as high as 4 if Minny wanted to go that route. Most of us knew that Udoh was a terrible pick.

@Ditotay, you're right about how anything can happen, but I know a lot of people on this board who thought Thomas should of been a first round pick. I watched Thomas a lot last year and thought he was the 2nd best player in the Pac 10 after Derrick Williams. I also thought he may have ruined his chance at being a pro by declaring early. Wrong.

But all I'm tryna say is after awhile you start to get a great feel for whose game will translate. How it will translate. And then every now and then you just see that player and go wow, he's IT. I dunno what IT is, but he got IT. Whiteside averaged like 5bpg as a freshman but nobody was calling him the next great. It's more then the numbers for Davis. The more you watch him play, the more you just know.

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Good Points

Good points Mr. 19134.

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Lets not jump to conclusions

Mr. 19134, Davis did used to be a point guard before he had a humongous growth spurt so, being a very fluid bigman is certainly not out of the question, but the next Hakeem Olajawon? C'mon, he was dominant both on defense and offense. The closest player to Olajawon would be Dwight Howard and he isn't even quite there yet. So let's not jump to conclusions, Davis still has a lot of growing up to do before he reaches that potential. He has to get used to his new found body, and gain some weight and strength. Who knows if his body can handle that. Who knows if his guard skills will ever be utilized to perfection in his bigman body. Yes, I agree, he has a lot of potential but for now he is very raw offensively because he doesn't know how to use his guard skills as a big man. If he learns how to use them well, then the sky is the limit for him, but we don't know if that will happen, we don't know what the future holds for him. So calm down on the pipe dream comparison and either find a different one or don't compare him to anybody. Putting so much pressure on someone is not good either. I want him to be great as well but I want him to find that greatness on his own and harness it (thats how a true player reaches their potential).

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Remember who Davis is going up against

Remember who Davis is going up against. The average college big man is 6'7-6'9. Davis is 6'11. At least 3 inches taller than the average college big man. Of course he's going to have quite an offensive game against them. Wait until he gets to the NBA and he has to go up against NBA calber big man that are his same height or bigger and much stronger than him. He is going to have a lot of adjusting to do once he gets to the NBA.

There might never be another Hakeem Olajawon. As I said Dwight is the closest to him but he still has a long ways to go before he reaches Olajawon's level.

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dwight or anthony davis

dwight or anthony davis aren't close to hakeem's post game, not anywhere near. davis won't develop hakeem post game either

defensively speaking, maybe!

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@UnderKanter I'm well aware

@UnderKanter

I'm well aware of Davis' background and it's one of the main reasons I'm almost certain he has a what it takes to become great. He's new to the post, and he's picked up rather quickly. In comparison Andre Drummond whose been playing against the same type of talent level has no idea how to dominate. And Drummond is a big time prospect with big time talent, it's just that college post men, especially centers, RARELY EVER put up big numbers. College is more of a guards game. So Davis is dominating on more then just physical attributes because if it was that easy, Drummond, and Favors and Deandre Jordan before him would of done similar things. But not only have they not done similar things, they're weren't even close to doing what Davis is doing.

And did you see his last game against Vanderbilt? Festus Ezeli is 6'11-265 lbs, and is quite the athlete. Fez is older and mature, and built just like a pro center is both height and girth. And Davis chewed him apart. When Fez sealed him off with deep post position Davis still blocked his shot, and on defense Fez couldn't contain Davis. Davis was taking him off the dribble with ease and even on the low block Davis was schooling him with turnaround jumpers, and hooks.

That's just a quick example of how Davis will deal with NBA sized big men. And like I said if it was all about size and athleticism, then other 5 star big men prospects before him would of had more success.

Greg Oden is the closest thing college has saw that compares to Davis in awhile. But even Oden came in with his PG Mike Conley who he'd been playing with since a child so they knew each others games in and out. Oden averaged nearly 16 ppg but shot a lower % at 62% which is still very good. And Oden averaged 3bpg and nearly 10 rpg. But Oden also averaged nearly 3 PF's a game, and 2 T.O.'s. Davis doesn't even average a full T.O. a game which is remarkable, and shoots a higher % from the field and foul line, plus get's over 2 bpg more and 1 steal per game more.

Yes Hakeem dominated with his post moves that only he could pull off because he was so fast and agile. No other big men are able to really even emulate them moves because they just aren't quick or nimble enough. Howard can't because he just doesn't have that feel on offense.

But if theres ever been a big man since Hakeem who can emulate them moves it Davis. Why? Because of how fluid he moves, and how smart he is when he does.

If people don't like the Hakeem comparisons then I'll go with a more modern one. I can see Davis playing in the league like Howard/Camby on defense and Chris Bosh/Pau Gasol on offense.

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Dude all i want in life is

Dude all i want in life is Mr. 19134 to stop talking. Jesus lol

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Fab Melo would body AD lets

Fab Melo would body AD lets see how good his offensive game is against somebody bigger and stronger than him, not these scrubs in the SEC.

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Fab Melo would body AD lets

Fab Melo would body AD lets see how good his offensive game is against somebody bigger and stronger than him, not these scrubs in the SEC.

Fab Melo is one of the most overrated players in the history of the game. He stands in the middle of a zone and averages about 7ppg. Davis has played superior offensive AND defensive players in Arnett Moultrie, Festus Ezeli, Gorgui Dieng, Thomas Robinson, John Henson, Tyler Zeller, Jaymichael Green and even Patric Young and Cody Zeller.

Davis' offensive game is VASTLY underrated. Go look at how many games he's 1 or fewer FG misses and 1 or fewer FT misses.

In the last 8 games he has had 3 where he has taken at least 7 shots and at least 5 FTs and missed 1 or less of each, including a 6-7, 6-7 game a 9-10, 4-5 game and a 10-11, 8-9 game. Go watch the Vandy game highlights. He hit 4 jumpers and 2 drives to the basket that started 3 feet in front of the 3pt line.

The entire offensive repetoir just isn't being showcased in AD's game. Just like Calipari wouldn't let Cousins outside of 4 feet from the lane and he wouldn't let Josh Harrellson shoot 3 pters, he isn't letting Davis showcase his PG skills because he just doesn't have to. It's not in the frame of the offense and doesn't put Kentucky in the best position to win.

AD needs to cultivate his post game but he's got a crazy floor game that will be showcased when he gets to the league.

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I see him as the new Kevin

I see him as the new Kevin Garnett. Their skills are relatively the same, while priding themselvess on defense. Nickname: "Big Nasty" Anthony Davis

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Bravo!

You prove your point @Mr. 19134 and I agree with you. You see the kid has a great motor and feel for the game and also is a true competitor, wanting to help his team to win every game. He will only get better with time and work, but sometimes we rushed into comparisons. Get the kid writes his own destiny, his own story. I'm sure we will be pleased.

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It is always tough to compare

It is always tough to compare gr8 talents coming into the draft to all time greats,there is always doubts
I remember back in 2009 which was the first draft I follow closely ,most ppl compared Griffin to Amare ,some ppl said Boozer is more realistic

but one site said that a scout compared him to Malone,and ppl was like Malone is all time gr8 etc etc ,and here we go Griffin isn't an all time gr8 yet but in 2 seasons in the league he has proved he is on the right direction
another site said that there is a scout who actually compared Thabeet to Hakeem too(he should be fired btw) ,a lot of ppl including me thought he can be Mutombo ,now we can all lough at this comparisons

But we have always to remember that Every gr8 player came to this league with a lot of doubts

So back to topic I agree that Davis will be a very special player in this league , I like that Garnett comparison,I won't deny that I am little skeptical about that Hakeem comparison but I understand why Mr. 19134 made them

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Whomever he compares to,

Whomever he compares to, that's he's in this discussion very likely means that this draft has at least one franchise level talent.

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Great points by NYCrealdeal

Great points by NYCrealdeal and Mr. 19134, Davis has a game similar to Camby had in college with a better offence, so a cross between Camby and Bosh perhaps morphing into a young KG as an upside could be a good way to judge Davis.

If Davis is to have a career like KG he will have a way to go but Camby is an excellent downside

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Can't see KG right now

I can't compare him to KG or Bosh cos one of their biggest assets coming into the league was they had a good jumper. I'm yet to see it in Davis

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For the people saying you

For the people saying you can't compare him to Hakeem keep in mind that as a freshman at Houston Hakeem wasn't the greatest offensive player in the world either. The majority of what I know about Hakeem's career is from DVD's and the end of his playing career but the overwhelming things you can find on him says he developed his offensive game over time. I actually have a Hakeem DVD where they mention that after he faced Kareem and the skyhook the next day he was working on his own version of the hook.

I understand that comparisons are hard but they are just that comparisons but, we shouldn't compare what a college freshman can do now to what Hakeem was doing in the prime of his career.

a little something for the Hakeem fans I found on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prUUojOquW8 (I apoligize in advance for the language on the song just cut the sound down or mute)

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He'll be dominant but not on the level of Olajawon

Your right, Mr. 19134, college is a guard's game, which is why most big men with "big potential" do struggle in college. Most college coaches don't know how to coach big men. They were hired to coach mostly guards, so big men are not their element and therefore they don't get their big men the ball enough to score. This is why Drummond is stuggling. It is not because he has no idea what he is doing. He just is not given the ball enough to dominate. Its not Drummond's fault, it's the coach's fault. I'm not saying Uconn's coach is a horrible coach, I'm saying that he doesn't know how to coach big men like Drummond because he's never had one like him.

Davis is different though like you have said. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Coach Cal used to be in the NBA for a like a year before he went to college coaching starting at Memphis. NBA is an all around game. Guards can dominate, big man can dominate. NBA coaches are hired to coach all of their players, which are a mix of guards, forwards, and centers. Therefore they know how to coach every one of them. This is why Coach Cal is succeeding with Davis being so "dominant". He knows how to coach big men and other types of players as well. This is nothing new to him.

I agree with your last post. He's going to be dominant, but not on the level of Olajawon.

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i know he' 18 and got much

i know he' 18 and got much room to improve but it doesn't go well with me comparing a guy with no post game whatsoever and a hook shot as ugly as his eyebrow to the guy with arguably the best post game of all time, simply because they share similar physical attributes and hi iq.

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@FvckSwagg I don't understand

@FvckSwagg I don't understand why you say Davis has no offensive game. Can Davis finish with touch around the rim at an incredibly high rate? Check. Can Davis convert a hook shot over either shoulder? Check. Can Davis shoot a turnaround fadeway over with shoulder in the post? Check. Does Davis have great shooting mechanics and can he hit free throws? Check. Can Davis face up and hit a jumper out to the 3 point line? Check. Can Davis take opposing big men off the dribble from the high post? Check.

He doesn't do most of those things. You are confusing things you have seen him do 1 or 2 times with things he does on regular occasion. He is not a good shooter, from anywhere. Just because he's hit a couple 3s this year doesn't change that. I dont love his hook shot, I dont love any of his moves in the post. This guy, on most nights scores ala Joakim Noah (NO, I am not comparing the two), on put backs, dunks, and in transition. You guys don't watch Kentucky very much. On most nights, Davis doesn't even get the ball much on offense, Kidd Gilchrist and all their guards do most of the shooting.

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That airballed post

That airballed post turnaround and barely there jumper definitely have me thinking"young Tim Duncan." Thank you ESPN.

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That airballed post

That airballed post turnaround and barely there jumper definitely have me thinking"young Tim Duncan." Thank you ESPN.

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He needs strength and alot of

He needs strength and alot of it

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kinda hard to center your

kinda hard to center your shot when you're getting bodied below the waist every time you go up with a jummper. If somebody can find a team that's had 2 or fewer fouls against Kentucky in the last 10 years, I'd like to see it...

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I was going to post this link

I was going to post this link in the new anthony davis is scary good thread but I decided to just bump it.

Its fun looking back at how many people had trouble breaking the camby davis comparison. I thought Davis was closer to ghe dream and im stickin by it.

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When you compare him to

When you compare him to Hakeem, do you mean just by the potential stats he can put up or his actual game? Because offensively, Anthony Davis has nothing that resembles Hakeem.

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I know my responses can often

I know my responses can often be too wordy so people may not read the entire thing but ive state a few times why I liken him to Hakim.

Its all starts with grace. Hakim combined length and unparalleled agility, quickness and speed for a player his size. Everything the Dream did was effortless and he had tremendous versatility both with his offensice repetoire and pbysical capacity.

Now Anthony Davis doesnt have The Dream offensive repetoire, nobody did or will, but in terms of fluidity, and being a two way player I think they compare. Like The Dream, Davis will use his length and mobility to be a force on both ends. Like The Dream Davis can be one of the leagues most dominant defensive bigs while also being one of the most productive scorers.

Its with these rare mix od traits that

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