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Antetokounmpo

Thanasis Antetokounmpo

DLeague Prospect but I think he will be the steal of the draft if he is not taken in the first round. Pretty good defender which will translate to the NBA. To me, he is very comparable to Wiggins though he is about 3 years older and he did put up some very good numbers in the D League and I think they will have similar lengths and physical measurements. Both are improving shooters though I might five the edge to Antetokounmpo cause he is shooting from the NBA 3 instead of College 3 like Wiggins. One game Thanasis had to play point guard, and I believe that he had a triple double which shows he can set up teammates. What do you guys think.

Some people are predicting that wiggins will be a top player in 4 to 5 years and lets say that Antetokounmpo develops massively which he has the potential to do in the next 5 years, then he will have a chance to be a very good player. Not saying he is a franchise player, but I would like to know what you guys think about Thanasis


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Why the negs???

Why the negs???

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My gut tells me that it

My gut tells me that it might've had something to do with you comparing Thanasis Antetokounmpo to ANDREW WIGGINS

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Euroballer

euroballer is that you?

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While Antetokounmpo is

While Antetokounmpo is considered a solid athlete he is not in the class of Wiggins. Wiggins will be a top 5 overall athlete his rookie season. Watch his sports science video and tell me they will be similar athletes. A longer stride then Kevin Durant? Acceleration on par with Chris Paul and range to cover the court like Lebron. All of the hype for Wiggins comes from the fact that he is a generational athlete.

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Well, your post makes

Well, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I do not know which is a better athlete, Thanasis or Wiggins. And I am not evena rguing this. I remember Wiggin's father from playing many years in Greece, and Wiggins was growing up their as a child which many do not know as a trivia.......

anyway, Wiggins is extremely athletic of course. But you posted is totally ilogical.

First, acceleration the same as Chris Paul? Well, I can say Thanasis has much better acceleration than Chris Pual does. So that argument was stupid to bring up.

Second, range to cover the court like LeBron? Well, Thanasis can cover the court much better than LeBron can. He can cover 4 positions in defense, he is faster, he is quicker, he has a better second jump, AND he has a much better energy and motor. So that was also a dumb argument to make.

Thanasis is an absolute freak athlete by any standard. He is the real Greek Freak by athletic level. To say he is athletically similar to Wiggins, is very reasonable. Actually, all things considered, he is probably better athletically.

So many NBA only fans are obsessed with just dunking as "athletic ability". Not only does Thanasis eqal anyone in NBA or draft in this to be fair. But athletic ability is many more than just run and jump how NBA calls it, or the "physicals" of NBA combine.

The abilites of movement, body control, dexterity....Thanasis is beyond equal. Actually, I cannot think of a single player in NBA that has all of his athletic qualites and physical abilities. There is no one. He is more like a young Pippen physically in how he can guard from point guard to even power forward in small lineup. And do this without the rules or the design of the defense.

LeBron can't do this. LeBron can cover a point guard with his size ONLY with the defense help behind him. he can in no way in hell do that in a one to one situation without the defense was there behind him in open space. Thanasis cannot only do it, he can shut them down. The same with 2 and 3, and small ball 4, but it is also how quick he is, how fast he is. He is like a bolt of lightning down the floor. Wiggins is no way in hell as fast or quick, for example as Thanasis.

So actually now that I type this and think about it, regardless of what NBA physicals and combine and all that might say, Thanasis actually IS more athletic than Wiggins. MORE athletic. It's same as Thanasis to Giannis. NBA way of "measuring athleticism" somehow gets the idea Giannis is "more athletic", when Thanasis is actually more athletic by quite a lot.

Put these players in track and field events and Thanasis will dominate them. This "elite level NBA athleticism" stuff is in some extent a lot of hype and marketing and ESPN sportscenter stuff. It's not all based on who actually is the best athlete. Thanasis is a crazy athlete.

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Let me back my post up with

Let me back my post up with the numbers shown to us by Science?!?! You understand what Science is right? Not just because some troll (you) says, Thanasis acceleration is better so there.... which you base off nothing but an opinion.

Wiggins stride length - 8 feet.... let me translate for you. He can get to the rim from the NBA 3 point line without a dribble.

He has a speed with the ball in his hands of aprox. 20 MPH. On par with that of Chris Paul. What is Thanasis? I will let you convert to KM/per hour since you are a Euro.

With a 7 foot wingspan and an estimated 40+ inch vertical he can get his hand on the ball about 2 feet above the rim. This also gives him a range of 3900+ Ft^3 (Cubic feet). Putting him on par with Lebron James which is also 8% greater than the average center. Do you understand what range means? I can't convert that for you.

The sports science video also goes into how quickly he can get his shoulders turned but I will spare you.

To sum it up I get why everybody on this site just despises you. You out non sense based off of a diluted opinion. Maybe Thanasis does end up as the better athlete, but just because "EuroBaller says so" is not a valid reason. Only the combine will tell.

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Pffff.. Math...

Pffff.. Math...

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We all know how the D-League

We all know how the D-League compares to both NCAA ball and the NBA by now, and although I do like Thanasis' overall game, he's no where near on the level as Wiggins.

I have no doubt Wiggins would have averaged over 20 ppg had he gone to the D-League last season. Top college players who make the jump like Glen Rice Jr, and P.J. Hairston bumped up thier averages when playing in the D-League, and if you think Thanasis' averaging 12 ppg last season is on a similar level to Wiggins dropping 17 in the Big 12, I'd beg to differ. Last year's Big 12 leading scorer, Pierre Jackson averaged ungodly numbers in the D-Leauge as a rookie. I think Andrew would have put up 25 ppg easy in a D-League setting.

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Defensive Upside

He is a good athlete and I think he has alot of defensive upside to his game. I think that he could turn into a Matt Barnes type player at the next level.

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Last year the same exact

Last year the same exact people that are now saying Thanasis isn't a top athlete by NBA level were saying Giannis was not a top athlete by NBA level.

Saying things like "he only looked really athletic because he played a bunch of total scrubs in Greece".

Now they say things like, Thanasis only looks really athletic because he plays a bunch if scrubs in D-League".

The same people were morons then and they are still morons now. Simply put, they are morons. They always will be morons, because they are morons.

In Greece, it was well known than Thanasis is MORE athleticn than Giannis, who proved that he is very athletic by NBA level (and those same people that said here he was not now pretend they never said that), and that NBA universally calls a "elite NBA level athlete".

Thanasis is MORE athletic than Giannis because he is faster, quicker, has a better first step, last step, and better second jump, and he can truly defend 4 positions, and his lateral speed on defense is way, way better than that of Giannis.

Even Thanasis is faster in a straight line and with the ball. Giannis is simply taller and longer - that is it. He is NOT as athletic.

The same exact MORONS are here saying the same exact MORONIC BS over and over and over. No matter how many times they get proven wrong, they never ever stop it.

And as for the Pierre Jackson comment...............is this th same Pierre Jackson that was a scrub in Euroleague? He was an 11th man in a BAD Euroleague team, could barely stay in the rotation of his team, then fell out of the rotation of his team, and then GOT CUT BY HIS TRAM DUE TO POOR PERFORMANCE.

The incredible and epic Pierre Jackson, playing in a BAD Euroleague team, before they finally cut him:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=ULK&pcode=005112&seasoncode=E2013

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Pierre_Jackson/Turkey/Fenerbahce_Ulker_Istanbul/221673

And don't give me all that BS the NBA only fans do about sample size. He had low games and time played, because he couldn't make it on the court, then when he didn played bad, because he was the 11th man of the team, then because he fell out of the rotation because he played bad, and then because the team cut him, months before the season ended, due to his bad play.

And don't say it was just one team, because his French League team cut him earlier in the season too. He got cut by his French League after training camp and replaced by another American point guard. So it was two European teams that cut him during the year, not just one.

Please get serious. Jackson was like most D-League players just playing for himself and his stats and trying to impress NBA teams. There are planety of borderline NBA/Euroleague level players in D-League that do that. Antetokounmpo does not do that. He does not play for stats, or to impress by putting up scoring numbers. He plays to WIN GAMES.

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All this coming from the guy

All this coming from the guy who disregarded science as a credible source..

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Euroballer IS science.

Euroballer IS science.

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There's no question that

There's no question that Euro/International basketball doesn't get enough respect in the US.

Giannis didn't even get invited to the Nike Hoops Summit last year, and he had his passport by then.

This year, the Combine is full of second rate US college kids, with hardly a Euro or international to be found.

and this website stuffs all the international prospects into the 2nd round. They have Porzingis as undrafted, lol.

One could argue that Europe develops basketball players bette than the US. Our young players would be well served by playing as professionals as early as 15 years old. Learning about work ethic and responsibility and accountability and working to earn every minute.

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Jimmy Butler with more

Jimmy Butler with more upside?

And one would have a very hard time arguing that anyone develops basketball players better than the US. Especially with the renewed focus on international competition these last 8 years or so. International competion records generally reflect that. One could also argue that two of the great European players of the last two decades, Dirk and Parker, did the vast majority of their development in the US.

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Should we bring up the

Should we bring up the Olympics? As some sort of proof to our ability to "develop" players better or just leave it alone. The guy seems to be fighting a losing battle.. In the Olympics, we even have to use their ball, their court, and their rules but we still win..

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Its an inane arguement. With

Its an inane arguement. With players like Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Kevin Love, Damian Lillard, Paul George, John Wall, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Joakim Noah, Russell Westbrook drafted since 2007, there has yet to be an international player drafted in that timeframe as good as anyone I've mentioned.

As a matter of fact, who is the best non US born player drafted in the past 8 years, that makes people so confident in international development? Rubio?

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Its an inane arguement. With

Its an inane arguement. With players like Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Kevin Love, Damian Lillard, Paul George, John Wall, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Joakim Noah, Russell Westbrook drafted since 2007, there has yet to be an international player drafted in that timeframe as good as anyone I've mentioned.

As a matter of fact, who is the best non US born player drafted in the past 8 years, that makes people so confident in international development? Rubio? Valanciunas? Splitter? Most likely Ibaka.

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I was gonna mention Biyombo,

I was gonna mention Biyombo, Yi, Eyenga, Roddy Buckets, and Seraphin. All born outside the US. All pegged to be stars by euro lovers.. All, but Seraphin, out of the league..

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Bismack Biyomba is still

Bismack Biyomba is still playing for the Charlotte Bobcats. He's not out of the NBA (yet).

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