share

Another way to look at stats?

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4386
Points: 5791
Offline
Another way to look at stats?

I know it's popular to look at only stats per game like PPG, APG, or RPG but maybe we should start looking at percentages of totals..

Quick explanation:

Carmelo Anthomy is leading the NBA in scoring at this moment but is he leading in percentage of total scoring for his team?

The Knicks average 100.1 points per game and Melo is averaging 28.6 points per game. That means that Melo is scoring 28.57% of the Knicks points! That crazy and as far as I can tell, he is the leader in the league at this.

Other guys who are leaders in PPG:

Kevin Durant - 26.80%
Kobe Bryant - 26.69%
Lebron James - 26.13%
James Harden - 24.49%
Russel Westbrook - 21.93%
Kyrie Irving - 23.87%
Stephen Curry - 21.90%


DipoTime
DipoTime's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 353
Points: 1148
Offline
I really like that, because

I really like that, because so often people will say yeah but look at the offense they run.. they are uptempo so its not like he scores that much ya know?

At the same time, you also have to factor in the percentage of shots they take. For example if the Knicks collectively shoot the ball 75 times in one game and Melo takes 25 of them, then he is shooting the ball 33.3%, while actually scoring the ball 28.57% right? IDK if that would be considered good or bad lol but it just kind of expands on your idea

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4386
Points: 5791
Offline
I agree. Also, the only way

I agree. Also, the only way I would be able to know if that's good or bad would just be to look and everyone's stats around the league and see who the leaders are and how high their shot percentage is.

DipoTime
DipoTime's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 353
Points: 1148
Offline
Yeah that is exactly what I

Yeah that is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe you should contact ESPN about this lol they do all kinds of weird and random facts and stats. This is something that really should be talked about at least because it is interesting

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4386
Points: 5791
Offline
Idk if it would work like

Idk if it would work like this but I would imagine it would.

Melo is scoring 28.57 percent of their points but he is taking 26.85 percent of their shots.. I feel like that is good since his scoring number is higher than his shooting number. I'm on my phone right now but later, when I have my computer, I'm going to look further into this..

invalid
invalid's picture
Registered User
Joined: 08/16/2009
Posts: 449
Points: 754
Offline
if only they could keep

if only they could keep westbrook, harden and durant.. muhuahaha

benny15
Registered User
Joined: 06/24/2010
Posts: 589
Points: -152
Offline
interesting topic guys. i

interesting topic guys. i just did a quick search and saw that of the players mentioned above, heres a breakdown of how many shots they take of their total team's attempts.

Kobe - 25%
Westbrook - 24%
LeBron - 23%
Durant - 23%
Irving - 22%
Harden - 21%
Curry - 21%

if i have some time later, i'd like to see how the talented teammates of the guys above shoot in comparison to their main scorers.

LAL - Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash, W.Peace
OKC - Durant,Westbrook, Ibaka
MIA- James, Wade, Bosh
CLE - Irving and Waiters
HOU - Harden, Lin, Parsons
GSW - Curry, Lee, Thompson

Siggy
Registered User
Joined: 02/25/2012
Posts: 2926
Points: 1731
Offline
Or you could just used

Or you could just use normalized, pace adjusted stats.
If you either use this method or your method, you get the same results. Melo is the most prolific scorer in the NBA currently. Carmelo also leads the league in shot attempts. Scoring is more than being prolific though. Efficiency matters, otherwise straight up chucking is rewarded.
Using normalized, pace adjusted scoring stats Carmelo scores a point more per game, yet Durant scores his points on 65 TS%, whereas Melo gets his on 56 TS%. That is a pretty big difference. Durant is volume scoring at a historically efficient rate.
Break down their Points Per Shot and the difference is even more glaring.
Durant scores 1.59 points per shot attempt.
Carmelo scores 1.29 points per shot attempt, putting him at around 72nd in the league in that category.

Bottom line, yes Melo is a great scorer, but he also shoots A LOT.

Bird_Years
Bird_Years's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/16/2012
Posts: 200
Points: 445
Offline
Somewhat related and

Somewhat related and interesting stat, is Tyson Chandler has led the league in OFFENSIVE rating for the past three years. That's points scored per 100 possessions while he's on the floor.

A big part of this is because he's been paired with Dirk or Carmelo for most of those possessions but it also demonstrates the benefit of having a big man on the floor who can grab offensive boards, set proper picks, finish around the rim and not take stupid shots.

His numbers were:

2010: 131
2011: 130
2012: 136

*from basketball-reference.com

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4386
Points: 5791
Offline
I didnt look at Durant's

I didnt look at Durant's stats as far as his shots taken.. I bet his scoring percentage vs shooting percentage is much better than Melo's.

RSS: Syndicate content