Andrew Wiggins has been overrated (so far)
Im not trying to get any backlash, but in my opinion I think Wiggins has been overrated by alot of people. My reasoning for this is because guys like Jabari Parker and Julius Randle are better basketball players (right now) in comparison to Wiggins. Jabari is just flat out skilled offensively is alot more athletic than people give him credit for. Randle is also extremely skilled and is a monster athletically. I am in no way saying that these guys will for sure be better than Wiggins in the long run, but right now they are better than Wiggins (skills wise). I think Wiggins could very will live up to the hype, but so many analysts have him the consensus #1 pick when I think the race is alot closer. What do you guys think?
It's been one game.
He's going head to head vs Parker in like 20 minutes. I think Wiggins is going to surprise some people.
I hope Wiggins drops 40 tonight just to shut people up. He's overrated after scoring 16 (leading his team) in a debut win.
Every year people will hype these kids up and then find any reason to tear them down, if you had the choice like Dante Exum you'd go straight to the pros before everyone and his dog has a chance to find a hole in your game and shatter your self confidence. Wiggins is going to be really good it just seems everyone wants Parker and Randle to succeed and Wiggins to fail, god knows why
Yea but I have seen some of his high school games, and his game offensively just is not as refined as Wiggins' and Randle's yet. Don't get me wrong, hes an amazing player, but all I am saying is that I think the competition is closer than many people see it. We will obviously learn more as the college season goes on...
Yep and he is more athletic than the other two and a much bigger defensive presence than Randle. Even Lebron still has holes in his game, now imagine Lebron 10 years ago if he would have played college people would have come up with how he was overrated, couldn't make a jump shot , just an athlete not a basketball player etc.
P.S: I am not saying Wiggins is Lebron either
@alinge , I am not saying I want Wiggins to fail. I just think it is clear he has been way overhyped. Analysts have not given Randle and Parker enough credit. Regardless, I think all three will be great. Looking forward to Duke vs Kansas tonight..
All three have got plenty of attention, if I was Marcus Smart I would be more irritated about the lack of attention.
He's played one game. ONE.
22/10/2 and 4 consecutive points to blow the game open...
Wiggins is definitely good.
What I don't get is why he was considered the sure fire No.1 pick.
Parker and Randle are clearly more polished than him, and his athleticism seems overblown. For the way they are calling fouls, and for how "amazing" his first step supposedly is, not one time did he blow by a guy on the wing and get fouled.
Again, I'm not trying to overrate one game statistically or anything, just looking at these guys in terms of what their skill sets appear to be. He got basically all of his points on fastbreak dunks and basket cuts. Those other two guys are isolating NBA style and just killing guys.
His team got the "W" which was nice, but again, if Duke shots 65% from the line, they win that game. And Ellis was really what kept Kansas in it.
Great game by Wiggins, Randle, Parker.
Was extremely fun to watch, now i'll be tired at work tomorrow. Great!
And by the way if you fell for Wiggins is the best since Lebron when they said Parker was the best since Lebron a year before then you're gullible and have no one but yourself to blame. Stop falling for the okie doke. The media's job is to get clicks and attention. Don't believe the hype!
He isn't overrated ... no one is saying he's a lock for #1 overall most say it's a 3 man race with Wiggins Parker and Randle .... but tonights game showed why he's consider #1 over Randle and Parker even though his game isn't as developed i mean he's only 18 just out of high school his game is growing .... you see the splashes of brilliance near the end of the game with the fade away jumper + the breakaway jam .... i think Randle and Parker are more developed but if Wiggins can improve his skills his ceiling is higher then both
Explain to me one thing he showed tonight that showed he should go No.1 over either of those guys?
Tonight? What exactly did he show? The ability to dunk when no one is around him?
Oh come on. He made one jumper. Didn't you see that?
No but really, he at least showed the most potential to be a 2 way player. Both Julius and Jabari are suspect defenders.
Man but that was a quiet 22, though. in 25 minutes. Even in the HS ASG's he got his numbers extremely quietly, and it sneaks up on you that he has 20 or so on tip-ins, fast beaks, and hustle/role player plays. Those are the things that translate the easiest from college to the nba -- offensive rebounding, all out hustle, defending/forcing steals for the fastbreak.
This guy is dropping 22 and 10 on duke on almost strictly those plays. He was way more efficient, skilled, and impactful last night doing exactly what Kidd-Gilchrist did for kentucky that year.
But hes showing flashes of offensive brilliance too. that spin move is working. hes getting by people in to the lane. and once he figures out how to get open in the post, he could get a few more buckets a game. He also boke out of his emotional shell, and you could see his confidence was sky high at the end, and he we all saw that alpha dog mentality we are looking for with him.
The ability to guard someone (exceptionally), something both Parker and Randle were abysmal at tonight.
Did you watch the game? Wiggins was in foul trouble the whole game and he still finished with 22 points and 10 rebounds. Andrew Wiggins exudes the "good" kind of potential( the "bad" potential exists is someone like Perry Jones, who on paper should be awesome but the potential never seems to manifest on the court) where at any given moment he might do something amazing. His athleticism in terms of speed, quickness, timing are just ridiculous. We don't need to rehash the plays, cuz you saw them and I saw them. It's just too bad you can't see something special when it's right in front of you on national television.
It was a good game tonight.. IMO Jabari outplayed Wiggins, but the stepback jumper at the end was impressive.
I really don't want to overanalyze guys on a couple games, and I know we are all guilty of doing that right now.
But I do trust the eye test. And what I have seen from Andrew Wiggins is that his athleticism is not game changing or anything along the lines of "generational", and his jump shot and iso game are pretty suspect. His shot doesn't look comfortable, and doesn't really go in. That stepback was like a 15 footer.
Parker and Randle both look like 27 year olds. They look like they know exactly what they want to do every time down. Wiggins looks like a young kid who can undoubtably play, but still has to find an identity.
Does this mean he won't be awesome or have a long career? No, absolutely not.
But if "overrated" means in terms of him being a sure fire No.1 over Randle and Parker, then yes, he is.
His athletic advantage over Parker meant so little in comparison to what Parker was able to do on his own in halfcourt sets.
Until Wiggins starts shooting or being as aggressive as the other 2, I just can't put him at No.1. I need more than uncontested dunks. I can almost do that. I want to see his game expand big time, and I am sure he is capable of doing it.
I agree with you 100%.
I was at least expecting to see an athlete that made my mouth drop. We've been made to believe he's a LeBron James caliber athlete. He's not even as athletic as Rudy Gay, Paul George, etc. His first step was just OK.
Fundamental/skill wise... He's lacking big time. I mean, he's going to get better, but looking at this game... I just wasn't impressed at all.
When it comes to iso game, all he's got is the same spin move we've seen in the youtube highlights.
yea and tony parker has scored thousand of points off his spin move and Wiggins is an amazing athlete those palys on his hoopmixtape highlights were made on 10ft rims. He'll have eye popping athletic moments just wait.
The other thing is...all he really did is make fastbreak dunks and layins on basket cuts.
I just don't understand how people don't see how easy it is to do that stuff.
He bricked every jumpshot he took other than the last one, and like you said, blew no one away with that first step.
They were making it seem like a basic two handed dunk that has been done 55000000000 times in the NBA was some great display of athletic ability. Big deal.
Then he hits ONE stepback jumper and people are acting like that was some all-time great shot.
I think the fact that Jabari and Randle "play like 27 year olds" while Wiggins is playing like an 18 year old learning the game, and yet he's still playing at their level shows the kind of potential he has.
We don't who will be the best in NBA.... all we can say is that we have 3 amazing prospects, at least... Very good for NBA, very good for everyone.
To all of you saying "He's overrated, he didn't have a great first step etc." I hope you realize that there's two ends of the court and on the less glamorous one, Wiggins dominated while Jabari and Randle completely failed.
I've seen all 4 of Wiggins' college games ( 2 exhibitions ) so I've seen a larger sample size than many of you, and nit picking his lack deep jumpers in one game seems a little nit picky. He was 2/4 for 3 against UL Monroe last Friday, and is 2-5 on the year, good for 40%. Yes, he needs to improve his deep game, and compared to Parker, he's not as good of shooter, but his one jumper was a high difficulty shot and broke open the game.
Also take into account, because of his first half foul trouble, his 22 points came in 25 minutes. This was by far the most aggressive I've seen him so far, and I have a hard time acknowledging those who say Wiggins disappeared or was quiet, and Parker killed it, considering Parker had 6 points and 2 rebounds in the 2nd half, and Perry Ellis scored on him at will during the last half. Randle was 1-5 with 4 points and 4 rebounds in the 1st half against MSU before he blew it open in the 2nd half. All 3 guys were quiet in stretches, but all 3 blew up during a half ( Randle and Wiggins' 2nd halves and Parker's 1st half )
I think Parker is a hell of a player, don't get me wrong, I'm on board with those Melo comparisons, and Melo is a career 20+ ppg scorer, but Wiggins, of all three of the freshmen, was the only one who played better than average defense ( Randle was the worst of the three ) and took over when the game mattered most. He's not a perfect player right now, but he's gotten better every game, and if he's getting 22 points in 25 minutes against a top 5 team in his 2nd game against D1 competition, his improvement is going to be continued at I think he'll be a lot better player in a month than many of you think he will be.
They're all elite pro prospects, and any pro team who gets any of them is going to be thrilled, but I don't really get the sentiment that Wiggins is some how the 3rd best of the three, I think they're all on the same level now, and for as polished as Randle and Parker are on offense, Wiggins is much further along on defense.
Great analysis. Since very few have seen more then this game I think they don't realize that Wiggins has gotten better every time he has stepped on the floor and his level of aggression continues to rise. All 3 prospects are elite on one end of the floor (offense for Parker/Randle, defense for Wiggins) but Wiggins offense is miles ahead of Parker's and Randle's defense and looks to continue to improve. By the end of the year, I think a lot of people will be regretting the things they are saying now.
I completely understand your feelings on the situation, and the idea that it is "too early to tell" is valid.
However, here is what I did not see from Wiggins:
A once in a generation athlete.
If he is just another NBA athlete, then there is no reason to pick him over Parker or Randle. He didn't do one thing last night to show he has anything more then common NBa athletic ability. His first step that was supposedly incredible was never used. He didn't blow by anyone.
Also, a lot of people's defense of Wiggins is "He played better D than Randle or Parker, and he scored in the flow of the offense".
First of all, defensively no one is wrong in that assessment. But it isn't like Wiggins was changing the game defensively, he mostly just didn't do anything wrong. And young players tend to be terrible on defense, so I am not writing off Randle or Parker as having no chance of evolving into quality defenders, much like I am not ruling out Wiggins for evolving into a skilled offensive player. I'll get back to that point.
The other notion, that of "Wiggins scores in the flow of the offense" is the biggest horsesh*t I have ever heard.
Why don't you just say "Wiggins is the best at looking like a complimentary player".
We don't praise LeBron James when he is getting break away dunks. We praise him when he is dominating a game single handidly. Same goes for Durant, Westbrook, Kobe, whoever else you want to name. He hit the one 15 foot jump shot that apparently "Showed he has an NBA stepback game" because for some reason if you miss a ton of jumpshots and then hit 1, you have an NBA level stepback game. Other than that all of his baskets were on fastbreak dunks, or basket cuts for layins/dunks. Which is fine. But that isn't a once in a lifetime superstar. As I said, not once did the "first step" translate into any baskets or fouls situations. He was pretty complacent on offense except for when people were feeding him for easy hoops.
Acting as if it is a negative that Parker and Randle create their own offense without any help make you seem like you've never watched NBA basketball. That is what the stars do. They take the ball, and they score, no matter who is on them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Wiggins is doing, he looks exactly like a promising young NBA player. What is crazy is what Parker and Randle are already able to do in the one on one game. They are polished, specifically Parker. What ever athleticism he lacks is irrelevant to anything he does on the court. Randle is an animal downlow. Wiggins is just a nice athlete right now.
And don't think I am trying to say Wiggins sucks or isn't good, but there is a difference between the 3. Wiggins doesn't have the natural SKILL the other two possess. And if his athletic ability isn't mountain shifting like it supposedly was, then what exactly makes him a better prospect than the other 2? That is what he's been heralded as since he was a kid.
Anyone can get fastbreak dunks.
I have to say if I watch all three Wiggins still flashes the most NBA potential to me, the defense should not be understated Parker scored 23 of his 27 last night with Wiggins on the bench, people seem to mistake a good all round game for a good all round offensive game, Parker is a much better offensive player at the moment, but Wiggins has a more well rounded game and has some skills Parker will never have (I.E getting to the rim and defensive abilities). It is not &$#%#&@! to say Andrew scored in the flow off the offense, he took what he was given early and then took over later on, for as good as Jabari was in the first half, Andrew was that good in the second.
Also I would rather my star play like Andrew than Randle did last night who was hit and miss all night, if Wiggins had 8 turnovers and also got abused defensively by Branden Dawson and Adreian Payne, I'm sure everyone on here would say Wiggins was doing too much and he failed to play within the team.
This argument is going to be so fun throughout the season, but for now I still prefer Wiggins, with Parker a very close second.
1. Wiggins was never guarding Parker
2. Wiggins wasn't getting to the rim
What does he do that shows the most potential? I'm just wondering.
I watched the whole game and a large chunk of the second half Wiggins was guarding Parker. To me Wiggins has more potential because he does have that fast first step and ability to get to the rim, he is that player that has 20 points and you never notice like KD. When I see Wiggins I see Paul George and when I see Parker I see Melo and if I want to win a championship I want the gifted athlete, who can be a lockdown defender and not the offensive wizard who can be suspect defensively.
We all knew Parker was better currently and if you didn't that meant you hadn't seen them play before, but Wiggins flashes the ability to be a game changer on both ends, Wiggins needs to develop a consistent outside game and he will be unstoppable.
If we just judge them on last night, then Perry Ellis would be a top 5 pick because he was virtually unstoppable last night and that shows how dumb it is to make these conclusions now. In 2 or 3 months if Wiggins hasn't improved then Parker should be the no.1 prospect, Randle at the moment can't be in the discussion for me because I can't pin him down a position, because at power forward I think he would really struggle to guard NBA 4's
You are judging a guy after one game that he is going to be suspect defensively. We have no idea what kind of defensive player Parker will be.
Yes his skillset is similar to Melo's, and Wiggins is to George's, but that doesn't mean they are those guys. They are different in a lot of ways.
I just don't see what being an athlete does vs having skill. Jabari has enough athleticism to play in the NBA. The only major difference with guys who lean on their athletic abilities is a lot of times they pretty much lose it in there early 30s and that's it.
Other than that, I don't get what the athletic ability thing does for you. For wings, being a mediocre defender can easily be covered up by scheming and good bigs. Look at Chicago last year playing Bellinelli, Robinson, and Boozer and still stopping people. Offensively Parker is better (in my opinion) and we will see what happens. I know Wiggins will improve, but why won't Parker and Randle improve too?
Abused? Was that a joke or were you serious? You do know that both players combined scored 12 points total while Randle was guarding them right? Since when is that considered abused. And you do know he was triple teamed all game and dropped 27 while fouling out Payne
if Wiggins fulfill his potential,then we have "new" Jordan here.I think he could be like Jordan(on college he wasnt no 1) but in pros he could explode.Wiggins truly has that cat like quickness that I last saw in Jordan.He will probably early in his career attack rim like madman,and then later add mid range(which even now isnt that bad).Definetly I'm now a big fan of him,now that I saw him in college.He has something special in him.
Wiggins will never be a new Jordan. Players like that have that it factor early. Wiggins isn't on the level as far as future impact of. Duncan, Shaq, Lebron,. But you think he can be the new Jordan? At the same stage if they all are In the same draft where does wiggins go? 4th out of 4
The same stage meaning two games into their first college season? Jordan scored 12 points in his debut. Duncan scored 0. Can't find similar information on Shaq, but he only averaged 13 points a game as a freshman.
Everyone, calm down. Let the season progress. Ya'll are sapping all the fun out of an exciting year of college basketball by microanalyzing EVERYTHING.
I don't think Wiggins looked overrated at all. He scored 22 points in 25 minutes which is a higher PPM then either Randle or Parker. His defense was excellent, especially considering he was saddled with foul trouble the whole game. The one block where he smothered parker late in the second half (but got called for a bull&$#%#&@! foul) was a great example of Wiggins' defensive potential.
The people who are disappointed with Wiggins' game so far are the type of people who believed he was supposed to be the next LeBron James. Offensively, he's not as far along as Parker and Randle are, but in terms of the next level Wiggins' athleticism and quickness will serve him well on the larger NBA court, while I have concerns about Parker's ability to defend NBA 3's and Randle's ability to physically overpower NBA 4's.
Right now, I still would consider Wiggins the #1 pick, but the gap between him and Parker and Randle is very narrow.
Yeah, I definitely don't see transcendent athlete. I see above average athlete, but he is long and lanky. I agree with some of the other guys that were unimpressed. And he doen't look like a franchise talent to me at all. Stars have something special about their games that they can do things on the court that other guys can't do, specifically with the ball, and I don't see that with Wiggins. You never really ever hear of a future star as "raw" like Wiggins because they were always the best guy on the court because they could just make things happen and dominate a game with their natural ability. He has a couple moves but thats it, he doesn't have the ability to create one on one or make those plays that wow you because it's not natural to him, stars are born with that. Randle and Parker have that and I'd take either of them over him.
Wiggins sounds like Harrison Barnes. A guy coming out of high school that was supposed to be a star, but just doesn't have that killer instinct. Guys like these are 2nd and 3rd options on teams. If your a star you need to be the 1st option.
You mean the guy that hit a filthy step-back jumper with a minute left and finished the game with an and-one in his first nationally televised collegiate game? That's the guy without a killer instinct?
People are jumping off the bandwagon way earlier than I expected.
He was an absolute killer the last 2 minutes of the game. He took over & showed that assertiveness that people were looking for.
So one jumper means killer instinct? So tyler Throtan for Duke has one for beating KU with a jumper at the end? It takes more than just one made jumper at the end of a game to have a killer instinct
I watched him in his two games this year and he looked more like Derozan than that "superstar" player. I think his motor is his biggest issue. In HS he had the athletic ability that looked great. But so did Shabazz (which he was rated a 10 by this same site) only to drop once he entered college.
I'm having a hard time giving Wiggins any credit on that performance outside of his offensive rebounds. Majority of his points literally came from him leaking out on a fastbreak and cutbacks. He didn't dominate defensively like everyone is saying. He had ONE block in the first half. ESPN is running the story that he "propelled" KU passed Duke which is clearly all marketability... Wiggins had the nerve to say "big players make big plays" lol... He didn't deflect any passes and didn't come up with one steal.
Perry Ellis got no love from any of you. Seldon (who by reports from KU is playing better than Wiggins in practice) didn't receive any love either. I'm all for waiting for more tape on guys before writing them off.. I've seen what Wiggins can do. But what I can't do is ignore a "glue game" from a potential superstar player that didn't show flashes of his dominance at all...
I get it, "he's able to get his on an off night"... That's cool, but he wasn't advertised as a Iggy or Kidd-Gilchrist... People was saying Kobe with LeBron athletic ability... I'm not seeing that so far... And Duke played man to man all night... So we can't blame that on zone defense...
I think the #1 spot is closer than guys think. I also think Wiggins is still the best prospect, BUT he does force you to second guess yourself.
(I really dislike when people bring up players in foul trouble as a plea for a player's under performance. That's part of the game too... If he was dumb enough to get in foul trouble, he wasn't productive, point blank.)
Side note: Cook really looked awful at critical times for Duke yesterday. I was amazed at how much he provided a spark for the other team. LOL...
Also, majority of Randle's turnovers came from not having a PG on Kentucky's team. Both of the twins looked horrible, with Andrew looking like a PG that can only bring the ball down the court. All of UK's offense the second half was feed Randle the ball no matter where he is or let Young shoot a 3... Andrew gotta do a better job a penetrating or he'll be at Kentucky again next year...
Did no one see the play in the 2nd half where wiggins picked the ball off the floor and quickly dunked it, all in one motion? Almost had his elbows at rim level, and this is off a flat foot jump. How people can say he's an average NBA athlete amazes me, he's as athletic as paul george or a young T-Mac and no one ever called those guys average so far as athleticism goes.
Also, while the majority of his points were in transition and off cuts, he showed some nice flashes of an iso game. Everyone's already mentioned his step back jumper but early in the 2nd half he iso'd Thornton, drove right, spun away from the incoming double team, and banked in a pretty tear drop. Not bad for a guy who's just an athlete.
Not taking away from Parker or Randle's great individual efforts but it says something when a freshman drops 22 and 8 in just 25 minutes and everyone is still left wanting more. That's why he's considered the frontrunner for the 1st pick come June. Parker and Randle will both pressure him for that spot tho