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andrew wiggins comparison

wiggins is an absolutly amazing player and athlete. his game reminds me of len bias. i know len never got to play in the nba, but if you watch video of him in college, the two have a lot of similarities in their game i think. thoughts everyone?


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No. Just no. Lets let this

No. Just no. Lets let this guy play some college ball before we start making comparisons, he's already too superior for high school ball

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it comparson

its a comparison on the two's games. thats it. not production. relax. and he will be in college in a year.

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Rudy Gay. Len Bias was more

Rudy Gay.

Len Bias was more of a springy, powerful PF with a game 18 ft on down. Pretty jumper with the elevation to get his shots over anyone. If there was one guy who's game reminded me of Len Bias it was young McDyess.

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i disagree

len bias was 6-8 210 pounds. he could shoot from outside(3-point line) and go inside because he had strenghth. and he had a way quiker first step than mcdyess. wiggins can do that stuff too. and len was a small forward, not a pf.

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Different era. Len was the

Different era. Len was the size of a PF, all-muscle, wiry strong and he had the game of a PF as well. He hardly ever shot from deep, mostly in the mid-range and he almost never handled the ball on the perimeter. Outside of his ability to shoot over, post SFs and run the wing, he didn't have many SF skills like ball-handling or passing. At the most he was a tweener with more of a PFs game.

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listed as a sf

he was listed as a sf in the draft that year.

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That didn't make his game any

That didn't make his game any less of a PFs.

Watch this video. Look where Lenny catches the ball. Look where he gets his shots. Look how many times he puts the ball on the deck. Look where he's playing on defense.

The areas he liked to operate were around the elbows, FT line extended area and the baseline from mid-range. Rarely did he put the ball on the deck more than twice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4u4MdSGSDo

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im about to

quote. the celtics scout who scouted him said he was the most COMPLETE forward in the draft that year. he is the closest thing to michael jordan, not as good, but the closest thing to michael jordan. this is not my words this is a quote from the celtics scout who scouted him. and he is a small forward. i rest my case. im done with this post.

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That's great. Did you watch

That's great. Did you watch the video? He wasn't a complete player. Not once did he average even 2 assists a game. He wasn't a good ball-handler. He was also an average rebounder for a guy who played near the paint on defense. And yes, he played near the paint on defense.

Here's more footage of Bias catching the ball in the post for his patented mid-range jumpers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8I5ypzhy2cA#!

action starts around 3:50.

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ok whatever.

i don't need to see the tape, and i have seen it by the way. you don't know more than the celtics scout who scouted him so the celtics would draft him. you are seeng a bunch of highlights, not full games. its over man. look up what was said by an expert.

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Sure you do. Then you'll see

Sure you do. Then you'll see how he actually played and that he was a PF in college. And no, those aren't just highlights strung together like a mixtape. It is game footage with entire possessions, not just isolated plays. You can see where he plays and how he generated his offense.

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ok

you need to get off your high horse with this. celtic scout said the closest thing to jordan in awhile. complete forward. where and are you a celtic scout. NO!!!!!!

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I'm not on a high horse. The

I'm not on a high horse. The visuals are right there in front of you. I can dig up more if you'd like. Was he a physical specimen like a Jordan? Sure, but he was far from a complete forward, otherwise he would've been able to handle the ball from the perimeter more and create from there.

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yea

if he was what you say he is they would not draft him number 2 overall. and your clip is from his 2nd year in college. jordan was still in college. he stayed all 4 years. when he was drafted is what there talking about. different player than in your clip. more developed.

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The 2nd clip is from '86, the

The 2nd clip is from '86, the year he was drafted. Where was he operating from? The post.

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hey siggy

lets see who am im gonna listen to, an nba scout for the boston celtics back in 86, when larry bird happened to play for them or a guy responding to a post on an nbadraft website. tough decision!!!!!!! your never gonna be right on this. complete forward. closest thing to jordan in years. its over!!!!!! not to mention larry bird and robert parish, and the celtics coach and gm. what more do you need. its nice to be humble when your wrong and admit it. try it sometime.

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You can listen to whoever you

You can listen to whoever you want. I've seen some exaggerations and superfluous praise by scouts in my lifetime as well. The footage is all over the net for you to see for yourself. Do you not trust your own eyes? I mean, you can go ahead and try to find footage of Lenny playing on the perimeter like a SF, handling the ball, making plays for others, etc but I doubt you'll find much at all since he was a PF in college.

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this is funny

im laughing all the way on this one siggy because college is not the nba and they drafted him to play sf thats what it says all over the net. i just love making you mad with this because you dead wrong about what his true position was. college does no matter. he was going to play sf in the nba and thats all that matters. i hope you keep reposting because im doing this for fun making you repost over and over. your not bugging me with this, i think its funny you don't know your basetball and rely on tape for everything. kyle anderson is a point guard at ucla does that mean he will play that in the nba? no he is not fast enough, and len was not big and strong enough to play pf in the nba. your tape is meaningless. the celtics would not have taken a chance on him at number 2 if he could not play the wing and he was not able to do things tha a 3 can do. oh how funny this is. this post started out about wiggins.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't catch feelings over a message board. I just make points and argue them. Who knows what position he would've played in the NBA? But in college, his game, where he played and skillset said that he was a PF.

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wrong

he could create and start from the wing, read what the celtics were saying about him. they would not have drafted him if he could not do that. he was compared to jordan. some said he would be better.

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A lot of the post-humous

A lot of the post-humous discussion about Lenny borders on hyperbole. He was an amazing physical specimen who could make some amazing athletic plays, but he was not a creator. He wasn't considered a good passer or a good ball-handler which is why he operated in areas where didn't have to take more than 1 dribble.

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Lol I get negged because I

Lol I get negged because I said hold off on the comparisons until college because wiggins is a man amongst boys in high school? Jeez yes his talent is out of this world but let this man play some college ball first

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haha

you get negs because you don't give an arument on why you disagree other than he has not played college which is no aruement

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haha

you get negs because you don't give an arument on why you disagree other than he has not played college which is no aruement

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Ok here's an argument,

Ok here's an argument, wiggins is physically bigger more athletic, more skilled, and was older than his competition until he reclassified. Yes wiggins has GREAT talent but come on he's more physically mature and skilled than most players he's faced in Canada. Imsorry but the last guy that was physically better and skilled plus older than his completion was OJ Mayo and he's fallen very short of the Kobe comparisons that everyone placed on him. Wiggins is a franchise talent but outing him in the same breath of LeBron and other great before college is WAY too soon

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sure

what you said has nothing to do with my comparison. and for your repost wiggins right now is not physically bigger and older than len bias.

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