Milwaukee and G-State are near deal to send Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson for Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown, sources tell Y!
monta ellis helps the bucks how????????? i'm just not seeing the success of a monta ellis brandon jennings backcourt with nothing in the middle...........
Bogut is always hurt, so they have been weak in the middle most of the time this past seasons.
Monta could give the team some offensive power.
I mean, not a bad deal but A) Ellis is worth more than an oft-injured big man, but I'll take it because you need a big to win in this league, and B) I think we have to buy Jackson out. I don't think he wants to comeback nor do we want him back, lol, but he is still a good player, but why do we have to give up Epke? He just started playing well, and we have to give him up, not happy about that.
Not the best deal, but I feel we could have gotten more, but still like the thinking of our front office. We needed a big and we got one.
helping either squad, the bucks wont be able to guard anybody inside or out, wont get alot of rebounds inside or out, monta may help them score more but teams are gonna drop 115 pts on the bucks......i do see what the warriors were trying to do aquiring bogut but he's gotta prove he can stay on the court......
I agree with everyone that Ellis is a farcry from what the Bucks need, but they got him for very little considering that Bogut's career is in a tail spin due to chronic injury
how is a jennings and ellis backcourt going to function?
So this means Jennings could also be headed out? Cause a backcourt of Ellis/Jennings doesn't exactly strike fear in people....
Jennings and Monta have both been compared to Allen Iverson at some point and would be another undersized backcourt...I don't know if they could co exist, In fact why would they trade A top 5 Center for an undersized scorer...
I would want Jennings if were Golden State...
I would offer Curry, Wright and Biedrins for Jennings, Mbah Moute and Bogut, maybe include some picks to sweeten the deal for The Bucks...I would not touch Stephan Jackson, that man is toxic to a team right now...
I cant see why Scott Skiles would want a back court of Jennings and Ellis, unless they are going to draft Jeremy Lamb and trade Jennings...I think Ellis can start at point guard with a taller, defensive player at Sg, one that can handle the ball handling would be great too...I think Ellis and Lamb could work in the backcourt defensively for Milwuakee as well...
I dont know why The Bucks want to trade Bogut, but if the get a guy like Ellis other things could come from it, maybe they keep BJ in the fray, maybe they don't and trade him for a Big man...
Ellis Udoh and Kwame for Bogut and Jackson, is the deal right? This looks like a move that has Ellis going somewhere else, a backcourt of Ellis and Jennings is just to small, especially at Bucks slow pace, i think something is looming with Ellis, Orlando perhaps? Some kind of deal with the bucks and the Magic, maybe even we can see the Hornets get in play with Kaman? Idk but this looks like a really funny trade deadline in the making.
woooww nicee for the Bucks.. Good backcourt, okay ront court. Gs must really like Klay.. Monta and B jennings that is great
Is this a done deal?
Its all over nba.com headlines so i belive it is done, something about a pick also if not top 7 this year for Ws it going to the Jazz, something havent really gotten to it yet.
Who takes Udoh's PT?
Great trade really when u look a bit deeper on it, i think the warriors are looking at the playoffs next year, but just going to tank this season.
I'm really high on Klay Thompson, he can easily come in next season and average 14-16 PPG.
I don't know how an Ellis/Jennings backcourt is any better than an Ellis/Curry backcourt.
Lee is a really good PF.. He fits with Bogut.
Yeah he Bogut, curry, a lottery selection this year, sounds nice i think the warriors actually came out pretty nice if they can be bad enough to keep their pick top 7 protected to jazz thru nets last year.
GSW too impatient. Udoh is going to be a good player and Ellis is worth more than the walking injury.
Even though I loved both Curry and Ellis, that backcourt is too small. We essentially gave the Bucks that problem, freed more time for Klay to develop, got worse while potentially getting better at the same time. We need to tank the rest of the season, get in the top 7, pick a versatile wing player, and then we could compete next year.
Wow what a risky trade! As a warriors fan, I really don't want to be on the verge of a heart attack every game just waiting for Stephen Curry to roll his ankle or Andrew Bogut to break something. Why would we give up our most consistent player for a major injury prone center and a washed up swingman. I understand you need a big to win in this league but Bogut is too much of a risk. We could have gotten a more safe center.
But u need to take chances and this is also about the pick 1-7 they keep 8-30 they have to send it to the jazz. I think its a good trade, and if its a time to take a chance on a bigman its when he is injured, this could end up a steal or a bust trade, but to contend u have to make a risky move.
Golden State could be trying to tank. Utah has their pick this year but it's top-7 protected and currently the Warriors would be drafting 10th.
I think it's a bad trade for both teams though. The Warriors could have gotten more for Monta, while Monta won't even help the Bucks very much because Jennings is already a very ball dominant guard.
If they are tanking, do they give Tyler more PT?
Also, would Jax sign with the Lakers if he is bought out?
Solid trade for the Warriors in my opinion. They weren't going anywhere with Ellis.
It's a big IF, but if Bogut is healthy, this team would actually have a chance to be good. And if he's not, then they're just where they were with Ellis anyway.
i can't really understand why the bucks made this trade. monte ellis and brandon jennings are both volume shooters. udoh brings the same to the table as larry sanders. the $7 million expiring from kwame's contract is the only rational thing.
for the warriors, giving up your best player for a guy that is not really durable and quite frankly over hyped is beyond me. action jackson was pretty much a throw in and has $10 million on his contract for next season. i can see him adding some ppg, but at the cost of stunting thompson's growth and polluting team chemistry (which is probably going to happen if thompson get more mpg than him). i just can't believe they couldn't get a better deal for ellis.
Maybe I can actually start to like the Warriors a bit now, always disliked that Curry/Ellis backcourt, made no sense, hopefully Tyler gets more minutes, because he'd be a great backup 5 man who could start down the road.
Bucks are idiots for making this trade, Ellis costs too much for how little he brings to the table, and he is not going to fit with Scott Skiles.
Biggest upside for me is that Australian television channels will stop showing a million Bucks game just because Bogut plays for them.
When healthy, Andrew Bogut is a top five center in basketball. Other than Dwight Howard, no other center understands defensive positioning as well as he does. He's not like a lot of these "great defensive" bigmen who just block shots.
And offensively, he's complete. One of the best passing bigs in the game.
Injuries are his only concern. IF he's healthy, Golden State could actually play in meaningful games next season.
them. Curry and Bogut are potential damaged goods. Sounds like Mark Jackson is not too happy about it either. I think his intention was playoffs this year.
This move is just a way for GSW to prepare for the future. Because they're a pretty young team already and with this, they will most likely give Thompson and Tyler more PT. As for the Bucks, I wouldn't be surprised if they made another deal with the Magic and the Hornets to trade Ellis with Ryan Anderson, Turkoglu, Richardson, and Kaman all being in the mix in the trade. Because there were reports that the Magic were trying to do that deal but GSW weren't budging because they wanted Howard or it was no deal.
It is a risk, but Bogut would actually help them win. Sufficed to say, Monta was not doing that. Think that the Jennings/Ellis backcourt is insanely quick but ineffective. Also think that in the meantime, S-Jax should be happy with his ability to jack up most of the shots that Ellis was taking, plus bringing more on defense. Really like this trade for the Warriors, even with Bogut's injury concerns.
If healthy, Bogut and Lee are a legit 5/4 combo that I think could do some damage. Let Curry be the star, get someone in the draft and you are golden. Truly do not know what this does for the Bucks, other than bring them closer to using the same plan that got the Warriors so little success this last few seasons.
I honestly hope Curry gets on a plane to Germany ASAP and gets that Rich Platlet thereapy thing that Kobe got, and sit out the rest of the season. So who starts at center today? Jeremy Tyler.......
And on one hand I hope we suck and get our pick, lol, but on the other, I can't help but think that Cap'n either comes in with the mindset of "Screw you a$$wholes, my ball", or maybe he comes out in the first game, hits 5 threes, and we get the "We Believe" fire back. I definatly think that a controlled Nate Robinson, a steadily improving Klay Thompson, an energized and motivated Jackson, a consistent 19 and 10 guy in David Lee, and a healthy and productive Curry could get on a hot streak. Sneak into the 8th seed, get Bogut back, steal one in OKC, and hope the crowd carries us at home, and who knows, we might be partying like it's 2007 again.
I thought the Warriors needed bigs now...they shouldn't have given up on Udoh so quickly, they're insanely thin in the frontcourt right now (I think Lee and Biedrins are their only real bigs at the moment).
I'm reading these tweets and that's just sad...they just beat DAL and LAC and are like 3 games out and then FO trades the best player and heart of the team for basically nothing.
Rusty Simmons: Lots of head shaking among Warriors players. Steph Curry just walked over to a solo Udoh and hugged him. Twitter
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Marcus Thompson: Warriors having a close door meeting. Monta Ellis is talking Twitter
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Rusty Simmons: One Warriors player said: "If we're giving up, I can feel my hip hurting already." Twitter
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Marcus Thompson: Said one Warriors player: "So we're just giving up on the season?" Twitter
With Bogut being out and the Bucks puching above their weight, the deal at first glance looks nice for the Bucks. Ellis gives them a legit 20ppg player and Udoh gives them a good long term big man prospect allowing Gooden to either return to the bench or play as a more natural PF. My worry is how many points could a Jennings and Ellis backcourt combo give up and even if they score a combined 40 to 50ppg, the rest of the Bucks team aren't prolific and would need to play great defence.
The Warriors have finally got a legit 7 footer and for all of Udoh's potential, Bogut if he can stay sound is an upgrade and for a long time there has been talk of them moving Ellis and to send him out East is the soundest strategy. If we assume they wanted to keep Curry, Biedrins is untradeable and Lee is the long term PF then to get the deal done they had to move Udoh.
The balance of the deal could be what GSW do with Jackson, if they get him interested and back onside then he could still be an asset or maybe they look to trade him on as an expiring deal next year or hope a team trying to lure a superstar sees him as a nice short term running mate.
At the moment I just like the deal slightly better for the Bucks but it's still a decent deal for both sides and could get better for GSW long term.
Also it rules out any move GSW might make for Dwight Howard and any idea that Orlando had about trying to get Ellis.
I don't like this deal for the Warriors. Bogut, Steph Curry and S-Jax all have a history of missing games.
Udoh was still developing.....
wait a minute if curry and ellis are small ( both 6'3") then what is jennings and ellis (6'1" and 6'3")
with that being said together they have to be one of the quickest 1 , 2 punches in nba history
well at least scott skiles can shorten up the offensive playbook to 2 plays.
play 1 - jennings brings up the ball and shoots.
play 2 - ellis brings up the ball and shoots.
I just became a fan of watching the Bucks.. Not a Bucks fan.. Because I have no idea how they will win games.. But maybe my boy Jon Leuer can get PT.. And that backcourt of Monta and Jennings is just awesomely fast, not necessarily good.. but.. It's just gonna be such a fun team to watch spin around and try to hit ridiculous fadeaway 3's, and try to hit ridiculous shots in the lane.. Transition game won't be so bad either.. Who knows might just work out.. either way I'll be watching..
I think the loser in this trade is........ The Orlando Magic. they could flush their chances of keeping dwight in the toilet cause monta got dealt on another team. Poor Magic, they're fans doesn't deserve a beating like these
Just read that Wright is pissed that he wasn't part of the trade because he was wanting out..
Horrible trade for the Bucks. Now they have two short, ball-dominant chuckers that will take turns not passing. And they're still stuck in mediocrity.
There has to be something bigger coming for the Bucks. This cannot be their final move. Perhaps in the off-season they'll move some more pieces.
LOL @ anyone saying GSW lost this trade. The Bucks got raped! Great deal for the Warriors. They can finally go into full tank mode too.
bucks will now take the knicks playoff spot scott skiles will make it work, horrible trade for golden state their gonna be bad for a long time they should just trade every 1 for picks and cap
Jennings is on his way out now.
Milwaukee basically traded 0 players for 3 this year. Thats a lot of shots to go around now especially with Ellis and a crowded frontcourt. I think now with Ellis they'll do more of the same as the last decade, Either a be an eighth seed or draft in the 8-12 range. I feel Jennings will be on his way out by the start of next year and dont really see Ellis being here for the long term. I am glad to see SJax leaving and although I love Bogut as player it was defintiely time for him to go. Bucks will be shedding about $10M from the books next year from this trade and with a possible amnesty of Gooden, they should be able to keep Ilyasova but hopefully not for too much.
Anyone know if Ellis is gonna play tommorow?? I got tickets so i hope so
You know on paper the Warriors look good but when the center and star point guard is always hurt, it doesn't really matter.
I wonder will Skiles start Ellis or continue to start Livingston ( 6' 7") and bring Ellis of of the bench?
32 million dollars next year. Biedrins would get amnestied but they did Charlie Bell last summer. I would have given Monta a way for nothing if someone took Biedrins.