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Andre Drummond Stock on the decline ?

The magical word "POTENTIAL" gets used all the time in sports when it comes to drafting/scouting. 70-80% of the time they just don't live up to expectations. When you think about it, most of these kids have been playing ball virtually all their life so if they can't live up to expectations now in the college ranks, how do you think they will go in the pros...

Andre Drummond - everyone has had him going 1 or 2 but I really think he drops lower than that....

Looking at the draft now, the top 10 seems really solid. As its stands today 7 MKG. 8 Beal. 9 Rivers. 10 T-Rob. These last four guys to me look to be solid pros, some could be potential all-stars. I believe they could all have better careers than Drummond which leaves me to the big question that will prob net me tonnes of negs but do you think Drummond might drop out of the top 10 ? I don't think he will go much lower as this group there is a gap between them and Lillard, Henson, PJ and Leonard.

I understand that some team will gamble and take him somewhere in the top 10 based on his size and potential but I believe you should always take the best player available... Just ask Memphis when they took Thabeet at no 2 in 2009 ahead of guys like Evans, Harden, Rubio and Curry. In this day of free agency its not hard to get a big man compared to years gone past....


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His stock is the same. He

His stock is the same. He didn't do anything he hasn't been doing all year. And he's still tall, a great athlete to be so tall, and he plays the most in demand position at C, so he's gonna be a top 3 pick no matter what

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no negs but

i dont think hes leaving this year. give him a year with calhoun coaching and i bet he can change your mind. i got to see him play a lot in high school and he didnt really start working hard on improving his skill set till his junior year so he has a lot of room for improvement. i agree that hes definitely not ready yet but hes got all the tools and isnt injury prone, hes gonna be very very good some day if you ask me.

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imo for his defensive value

imo for his defensive value alone and potential he shouldn't drop outta the top 10.

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To be fair I don't think

To be fair I don't think Uconn will help him any since the system is more guard oriented in terms of offense...In my opinion I don't think he goes below #2 if he goes out...

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^ yup "there is no way im

^ yup

"there is no way im staying if im drummond...he needs the ball to score and he is not getting it. they don't feed him in the post where he can draw dbl teams and kick out, they don't even run pick and rolls for him... it's a disgrace"

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Please don't compare Thabeet

Please don't compare Thabeet to Drummond....Thabeet had bust literally written all over him....It still boggles my mind why Memphis chose him....

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He will still be a top 3

He will still be a top 3 pick. Offensively he is non existant b/c UConn NEVER runs their offense through him. He still has a ton of room for improvement, and you can't teach his size and athleticism. He's been pretty disappointing this year, but there is absolutely no way he falls out of the top 10.

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i love how jnixon put it. "he

i love how jnixon put it. "he didnt't do anything he hasn't done all year".... Yeah he's been pretty unimpressive. I've heard about this guy since he was a freshmen in high school. He isn't Dwight.... Hell, he isn't Amare. This guy is too overrated.... he might be a solid NBA player but he needs to leave now before his stock drops anymore. It's obvious he's leaving since he even has to pay his own tuition.

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Should still go top 4. Which

Should still go top 4. Which is kind of sad actually given the incredible amount of hype he got a year ago. A bigger Lebron James was even thrown around here. The team that drafts him will need to wait at least 3 years before he is ready to start, imo.

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he's not ready

for the NBA but at the same time he has to come out.....when you're projected this high your stock has nowhere else to go but down....and unless he comes back and dominates that's where his stock is gonna go.........

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Honestly I think there is a

Honestly I think there is a good chance he will drop more than people expects him,think of him as a top 6-10 than a top 3 pick

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Well his stock can't go any

Well his stock can't go any higher until combine so at this point in the tournament I wouldn't be surprise if it declines if someone have a breakout.

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khaled ^^^^ Don't you know

khaled ^^^^

Don't you know you will be negged if you don't follow the other sheep ??

Only 3 to 4 months everyone was on Perry Jones c0ck saying he was a top 3 or 5 player. I swear 75% of the kids on here have no idea - they just copy Aran's mock and change their mind like the wind...

Perry Jones thread

http://nbadraft.net/forum/perry-jones-9

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Drummond's stock is still the

Drummond's stock is still the same..He's still a top 2 pick..The only way i see him sliding to 3 is if Charlotte gets the 2nd pick..And local fans pressure them to take UNC star Barnes..

Lamb's stock has taken a hit..In crunch time you want your best player to show some signs or effort to take over..Lamb didnt look like a top 3 pick at all against Iowa State...He might be the 2nd shooting guard taken,if Beal can lead Florida deep into the Tourney....

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agreed^

agreed^

also, now that the wiz got nene, if they end up 2nd they should look at some1 else imo

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I have a question for

I have a question for everybody. If Drummond didn't go to college early and decided to come out in the NBA after his senior season, would he be considered the #1 pick? Or would Davis surpassed him no matter what?

Imo him going to college early was a mistake. It showed many of his weanknesses and showed that he is not NBA ready right now and is all potential. If he had stayed in high school those weaknesses wouldn't have been exposed. Also, Im sure many people on here would still be making arguments on why he should be the #1 pick because he has Dwight Howard type potential.

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He would have gone #1 without

He would have gone #1 without any doubt.... and even now I think he would be #1 cause he can play center and davis is more a PF.

And i don't think that was a mistake for him to go to college. Of course it has shown some holes in his game but he surely developped some other aspects that can't be seen so easily (mental, toughness, work habits, ethics, collective dedication).

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first of all i love this site

first of all i love this site especially you all guys on this forum, but there is no way you can take seriously Aran's mock..

first of all Drummond by many gms isn't number one or two lock but also he isn't going to be much lower at all especially with combine coming he is in top2-4 range

then Lamb also i don't think he has even been #2 on GMs mocks he improved his stock from late lottery to mid this season and he is staying here right now..

AND Perry isn't top5 despite someone will fall in love only after one individual workout but he is lotttery LOCK maybe even top10 lock still..

plus i absolutely agree with jeff416 that Drummond made a mistake, everybody was saying how college will help for his development but look at this season now?what has helped him, he hadn't a lot touches, he hadn't oppurtunities to display strenghts and try to improve weaknesses he always was only big body in the post to throw alley to..pretty sad because i was also one of those who thought he was a future SUPERstar

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lalaila

I guess you thought Perry was a future star seeing as you still have in going 1st in your mock

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don't care about mock i have

don't care about mock i have done nothing with it since last summer..and even back then it was bold predictions not my real mock at that time..

i will update it in a week with : 1.Davis (lock) 2.Drummond 3. anyone from TRob MKG Barnes Lamb

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college is so different from

college is so different from the pros and also, some of these players dont look like superstars in certain systems.

some of the players in this draft will be better pros. Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, and.....Drummond will all fall into this catagory. While Davis is the most dominant college player....I still like Drummond, provided he has the right attitude and work ethic.

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His stock won't change, but

His stock won't change, but I'd be very nervous drafting him. A year can do a lot, though, Fab Melo probably raised his stock 20-30 positions this season. Drummond is not a sure bet, by any means, but he was so raw this season, I feel he doesn't have to show a whole lot more to be considered improvement.

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This could be uconn last

This could be uconn last tourney they might get banned for academic reasons so more times then not he will leave also watching him play basketball with those big rocks in his ear makes me think hes fancy and wants to be a millionare as soon as possible.I was never big on andre hes a big body and gets away with alot because of that but skill wise besides dunking he doesnt do much on the other end of the court and on the defensive end doesnt do much but bigger then everybody else.In the nba he wont be the biggest person on the floor.PPl say sully wont have in affect on the next level but look a blair,hayes,milsap, undersized forwards play like they have something to prove "undersized" I heard the average size for a pf was 6'9 anyhow.I think Andre wont live up to a first overalls ceiling.

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Even if U-Conn doesn't make

Even if U-Conn doesn't make the tournament next year, I think if Drummond plays, averages even like 14 ppg and 9 rpg then people will be thrilled on that amount of improvement and draft him #1. I think he'd go #2 this season. I realize what he could become, but he's got a long way to go before he gets there. He'd make me nervous this year if I had the 1st pick.

Also: Sullinger and Robinson are both over 6'9'' in shoes, 240lbs or more with wingspans of over 7'. I don't think either one is as undersized as what is being thrown around right now.

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Hate to say it is the system

Because Drummond still has some serious work to do and is not exactly a sure fire superstar. But, his team was completely guard dominated and he was bar none the most effective big guy on UConn this season. He plays a position that is definitely strapped for talent and usually is one in which players take a while to be truly dominant playing.

The only other pro center I have seen under Calhoun who was comparable to Andre freshman year was Emeka Okafor. Here are there side by side averages:

Drummond: 28.4 mpg, 10 ppg, 7.6 rpg (3.3 orpg), 0.4 apg, 0.8 spg, 2.7 bpg, 1.5 TO, 2.2 fpg, 53.8% FG, 29.5% FT (God awful, but I seriously think it can only improve)

Okafor: 30 mpg, 7.9 ppg, 9 rpg (2.6 orpg), 0.8 apg, 0.8 spg, 4.1 bpg, 1.4 TO, 2.6 fpg, 59% FG, 62% FT (As we know, he went downhill here)

One thing we do know is that Okafor played on a better team than Drummond did, with an actual wing player in Caron Butler (not Jeremy Lamb/Roscoe Smith playing out of position), plus with much superior shooting to UConn this season. The backcourt of Napier/Boatright this season was more infuriating the fun on many an occasion. It is hard not to like either player for what they bring to the table, but having a couple of 6 footers kills your perimeter defense (wonder how Chris Allen had such a good game?).

To me, Drummond is a much better All-Around prospect than Okafor due to his greater size and athleticism. He is raw, as was Emeka and another year in college would probably see a great deal of improvement as well as much more involvement in the offense. Still, I feel that this year in college is much more beneficial than an extra prep year. Plus, he will more than likely enter the draft due to UConn's likely 2013 Post-season ban.

I think he can come on and give you minutes right away, at the very least as a utility Center. He will end up being a tough match-up for many a team and I think his strength will be on par with almost anyone in the league. When people compare him to Derrick Favors, I take that as a positive. Favors may not have paid off immediate dividends as the 3rd pick in the draft, but down the line I think he will end up being one of the best players for sure. With this draft and Drummond, I believe the same thing.

Also, for all of the DeAndre Jordan comparisons, Jordan is still not as strong as Drummond right now. Andre was well ahead of him as far as freshman impact and I see him having much more overall offensive potential. I also believe he could be a disruptive defensive force was his length and girth. To me, other guys might look better than him for now, but I am not sure they will be better down the line. At a position with very few players making a difference at both ends of the court, Drummond has a definite chance to be a center you can win with.

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He should come out

I feel College hurts some guys game. It helps some guys hurts some guys. Guys who have a college game Example Jimmer look like Jordan. Guys like Westbrook look lost. We can say what we want, but NBA style game is what will define who is good and who is not. College will tell you a few things. I think athletic freaks never look as good in college cause of that closed up lane,guard oriented style of college. Blake was one of the few guys in college who looked good who was a freak. Blake shows a more well rounded game in the Pro's. Nothing like having space to operate.

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Mikey I think I was 1 of the 1st to compare him to Favors

I do think he's still a Top 3 Pick(Size, Potential and yes Ability)...But I think it will take him a longer time to get used to the NBA much like Favors...Monroe and Cousin were picked after Favors and they've been more successful up to this point(Who was traded and has had to adjust to 2 Teams so far)...

I can see a few teams pass on Drummond in June, some Teams will have greater needs, some will take more NBA ready players ...I can't see him fall out of the Top 5, just like I can't see Perry Jones fall out of the Top 10...

The Guy I feel people are over rating most Is Jeremy Lamb...I can't see him going in The Top 5 after that Early Exit...He had a strong start to the Season but he was Very underwhelming down the stretch...I don't know who darfts this kid that high with other Sg options in Free Agency(Nick Young/OJ Mayo/Eric Gordon)

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Andre Drummond Isnt Responsible For All The Hype, The Media Is

I hate when people talk about basketball, and have no clue what the hell they're talking about. It doesn't seem so, but Andre really benefited from going to college this year. Yes his free throw percentage was horrible, but that something that can be worked on. The funny thing is, he used to work on them all the time after practice. He could honestly be a decent shooter from the line, once he gets more rotation on the ball, as his shot looks kind of flat sometimes. To my point though, had he stayed in highschool another year, he wouldn't really know what work on. Because of his size and athleticism, the game comes so easily to him, and he's just really starting to learn how to play. Kemba Walker said it best, "this kid doesn't know what he has yet", not to mention that a future Hall of Famer in Ray Allen compared Drummond to Shawn Kemp. Will he average 20 and 10 his first year, Probably NOT. But neither did Amare, Dwight, Chris Bosh, or even KG did. Let's all be honest with ourselves here, SHAQ isn't walking through that door and neither is TIM DUNCAN. Those guys don't just grow on trees, it could be another decade or so before a someone of that caliber to come along is ever again.

We need to stop comparing these KIDS to other pros. Andre Drummond doesn't need to be anyone else but himself. He's a unique talent, and has a bright future. I wish him and all the other prospects nothing but the best.

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Not even being difficult,

Not even being difficult, honestly curious - when was the last time a one and done has looked this bad, come out, and been anything special in the NBA? I can't think of anyone similar...

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I've never seen a prospect

I've never seen a prospect play so bad and people defend him as much as they do Drummond. Is it because he is a respectable young man? He hasn't been good at Uconn from Day 1. First it was the mask just wait til he gets the mask off. Then it was give him time just wait til the second half of the season. Then it was he'll dominate the conferance tourney. Then it was just wait he'll show you in his matchup with Davis.............Ok what's next?

I hope Drummond proves me wrong because their are a lot of teams in the NBA that could use a talent like people think Drummond is/will be but as far as Uconn is concerned he did nothing to show he is a top 10 pick. From all accounts a great kid who won't hurt your locker him. He's got size and is athletic but when you watch him play he's not talented just big.

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I would not take him one in this draft

I also don't think he should fall out the top 10. I agree his numbers have not been too impressive. I did not see him play much. The one game I watched from start to finisg he played solid. I did expect better rebounding numbers from him so thats alarming. That size with that athleticsm it will be tough for teams to pass up. I do like a lot of players over him in this draft, but he should come out no matter what. He would benefit if the team that drafts him knows we need to run and play fast. If they think we are going to just punch it in to him and he will dominate then thats on them if he does not produce in that fashion. Not his game from what I saw.

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@tbp82, You are such a damn

@tbp82,

You are such a damn hater, people like you really piss me off. Andre Drummond will be as good as he wants to be period. Nobody is defending him, but at the same time I'm not going to write him off just because of one season in college. I respect Andre Drummond because he's a good person and a good kid. And though I get frustrated watching him at times, I still respect his game. Last night he was in foul trouble, and still managed to get 4 blocks.

You don't deserve to talk about basketball man. You only see what your eyes want you to see.

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Yeah man, I'm a "hater"

Yeah man, I'm a "hater" that's why I said I hope he proves me wrong. You really don't think nobody's defending him? I see a lot of excuses all over these threads and others as to why Drummond hasn't been good. I hope I am wrong good big men don't come along often.

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@tbp82, You are such a damn

@tbp82,

You are such a damn hater, people like you really piss me off. Andre Drummond will be as good as he wants to be period. Nobody is defending him, but at the same time I'm not going to write him off just because of one season in college. I respect Andre Drummond because he's a good person and a good kid. And though I get frustrated watching him at times, I still respect his game. Last night he was in foul trouble, and still managed to get 4 blocks.

You don't deserve to talk about basketball man. You only see what your eyes want you to see.

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There is precedent

Gerald Wallace had a pretty damn bad first year at Alabama. They also started off well, but finished the season not making the NIT. Granted, Gerald Wallace went 25th, but if the draft were re-done he would have easily been Top 10. He averaged 9.8 and 6 while shooting 43.8% from the field and 56.8% from the line (not to mention 17.5% from 3).

Plus, I know a guy who had a much less impactful freshman year than Andre and just got an 8 figure contract in Los Angeles. DeAndre Jordan and BJ Mullens were definitely not Drummond, both seem to be getting PT. I mean, what does him having to be one and done have to do with anything? Are you saying if he were to play in the NBA next year against top competition in practice and on the court that it would be worse than staying in college and averaging 15/10 or whatever?

Al Horford averaged 5.6 and 6.5 as a freshman, playing 22.8 mpg. He turned out pretty well. Did Drummond honestly do that bad? Greg Monroe averaged fewer rebounds than he did as a freshman in more minutes. Roy Hibbert averaged 5.1 ppg and 3.5 rpg as a freshman. Do you think that we would see no improvement from Andre next season? I certainly think he would easily be in the category of these players.

I think he is a good passer, though UConn never played inside out. I think he became much more active as the year progressed and had more of an idea of what to do. His size and speed allow him to cover huge ground on defense. I think he would guard the best big man on any team they played, rather than camping out in the middle of the zone and racking up blocks (is not a shot at Davis, but I truly feel he had a lot more help as a defender than Drummond).

To say that "no one and done has ever looked this bad and done anything special" is looking at it the wrong way. If Andre went back to college, it would not make him a better player in the future. It would make him a better player his first season in the NBA. He would have a more immediate impact off the bat, but he will develop just as much if not more in pros than if he played another year in college and upped his averages. Looking at it like, "well, he did not live up to expectations as a freshman, so he probably never will" is dangerous thinking when so many other players have improved with time. Not to mention, they were not 6'11, 270 pounds and an athletic monster.

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Problem with using one and done

With Centers is that there is a really small sample size, but you will find that most NBA centers that did play in college did not exactly come out with a bang. Most of the best NBA centers actually are either International or came to the league straight out of HS. Dwight Howard, clearly the leagues best center, was even freakier than Drummond, as he averaged a double-double for the Magic straight out of the block. However, I think we will agree that the drop off after that is pretty great, especially with rookie centers.

Lets look at Andrew Bynum. Andrew was taller than Andre, slightly longer though I do not think he was in Andre's area of speed or lateral quickness. He was supposed to go to UConn and was actually I believe heavier than he is now, has truly developed his body a great deal. He was the top ranked center in his class, but considered a raw, project. Many were surprised he went 10th in the Draft to the Lakers, but they took a chance on him.

Andrew's rookie season, he averaged 1.6 ppg and 1.7 rpg in 7.3 mpg. That is 7.9 ppg and 8.5 rpg per 36 minutes, not exactly good from a pure stats standpoint (not to mention 6 fouls per 36). He shot 40.2% from the field and 29.6% from the line in 46 games. The next season, he went up to 7.8 ppg and 5.9 rpg in 21.9 mpg. He has continued to develop and is now, as a healthy player, the 2nd best center in the league next to Dwight Howard.

I am not saying that Andre is Andrew, but if Andrew had gone to UConn would he have looked more like Greg Oden his first year at Ohio State or Andre Drummond? My guess is the latter. I think that if you look at most NBA players right now at the center position, they came along slowly. DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe are two exceptions I can think of as having strong freshman seasons, but both of them are not nearly as athletic as Drummond. Drummond is a better defender than Monroe was and he is in better condition plus fouls much less than Cousins.

I would say, if you are going to compare Drummond to anyone, look at the centers of the NBA right now. There is incredibly limited sample size of one and done centers. Cousins had a better freshman year, but Drummond is a better conditioned more coachable player by most accounts. I think he had much better freshman seasons than DeAndre Jordan and BJ Mullens, but look at the centers of the league. See how they did there freshman season and there strengths and weaknesses. This is why Andre Drummond is considered a lock for a top 5 pick, much like Bynum would be had the 2005 Draft had known what he would develop into.

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Drummond

Let me preface this by saying I've been looking at this site for like six years and this thread has given me the urge to register so I can give my thoughts.

I have seen roughly 90 percent of all UConn games over the last 14 years. Only missed two last year and one game this year. But, were talking about Drummond specifically here. Last year, I had the "pleasure" of watching him at St. Thomas Moore about twenty minutes from where I live. I was thoroughly unimpressed but kept telling myself "he's only 16-17 playing against 19 year old post-graduates, just give him a chance." Well, it didn't happen. He appeared unorthodox the entire game, sort of lumbering back on offense/defense and never fully integrating himself within the team. He wasn't the top 5-6 impressive guys on the court. But of course, his warmups looked pretty cool--the windmills,etc. On the ride home I kept telling my friend I didn't think he "wanted" it enough. He looked like it was a hobby of his--not a passion. But he kept saying "but dude did you see his warm-up dunks." He seemed like a congenial guy though; helping the opposing players off the floor if they fell down. It's little things like that to know whether a guy "wants" it. What he demonstrated at St. Thomas More was EXACTLY the type of ambition he showed at UConn. And don't give me the whole "but UConn was guard oriented." Have you watched UConn play more than five games this year??? I watch him, not the ball, and notice he NEVER moves, EVER. In fact in one specific game he was standing out of bounds for like ten seconds doing NOTHING. Unless the Hip Hop Preacher gets in his head or until he realizes what he has (his body) is a gift not a burden, then he will never accomplish anything in his basketball career. It's sad, but he looks uncomfortable being his size.

On a side note, about three weeks ago, after consecutive UConn losses, I was playing basketball at my Uni (ECSU-15 mins away from UConn) and Andre Drummond was there TWICE in one week. Why on Earth would he be playing in pickup games at a D-III schoool? It boggled my mind. I could write a thesis on Andre Drummond and why Jeremy Lamb will never make it either. By the way, I'm a DIRE UConn fan and always look for the potential in guys, but Drummond doesn't have it. He seems like a nice dude though--which is probably bad for his future NBA prospects. Too nice.

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Thing with bynum he never had

Thing with bynum he never had to adjust his game to anything all he had to do is learn pro system. He had hall of fame teachers helping him develope he didnt have many bad habbits because he didnt learn any yet being so young so he was a pupil a often injured pupil but a pupil for some time and you see it pays off.Going from hs getting teh ball putting it in with ease to the triangle you wont have to correct many things in your game.

You all do defend andre he hasnt done much and thats that every player in the projected to go in the lotto is more ready then andre so why does he go number 1 ...we seen how does picks pan out.

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Nice post, zb8383, his play

Nice post, zb8383, his play reflects everything you said.

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MikeyV - I was asking, not

MikeyV - I was asking, not complaining. I tend to think going back to college is almost ALWAYS the wrong move. Guys develop better in the NBA by and large. I was looking for precedent for a similar player becoming special, as the best indication of future success is largely past. Bynum and Horford fit the bill.

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Pulse, I mean, when you say "looked this bad", you could see how that is interpreted. He definitely did not live up to the hype that comes with being the best center prospect (not necessarily player) to come to basketball since Greg Oden, but if you look at every other "true" center in this freshman class, he was head and shoulders above them on impact. I know people feel Anthony Davis may be a center at the next level, but I think that he is a 4 while Andre can definitely play 5.

@zb8383: That was a good write up you did on Andre Drummond and I agree that he at times shows a lot of passivity, which is not a great sign. But, I have some questions:

  • What do you mean by both Drummond or Lamb never "making it"? Is that living up to their potential, being productive NBA starters or just flat out feeling both are role player material?
  • As someone who has watched UConn basketball really closely, what do you feel are the major differences between Andre Drummond and Emeka Okafor? Did you see Okafor as "making it" as a freshman?
  • Who in this draft do you like better than Drummond and Lamb? (There are definitely players that come to mind, but I am just wondering if you dislike their NBA potential as a whole to have them below quite a few players they might not generally be ranked below)
  • What were your thoughts on Hasheem Thabeet, from freshman to junior year? Did you like his prospects more or less than Drummond?

These are just honest questions that I would like to know from a devout UConn fan. My whole thing is, even if Andre does not fully develop into a big time player, his floor seems to be high enough to have a hard time not choosing him somewhere in the 5-10 range. I think that he is a rare enough specimen at center that you gamble on him, more so than on a player like DeAndre Jordan or Hassan Whiteside who were light years away from Drummond's overall strength.

That combination of strength and athleticism is why I think that even if you only project Drummond to be a marginal starting center, you risk a pretty high pick on that. If you look at this expectation chart by pick, where would you have Drummond or Lamb? Plus, would you have a number of players far ahead of them, or just a hand full you like more?

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

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I don't like Lamb's game at

I don't like Lamb's game at all. I'm totally going to take heat for this, but he just... I have a very bad feeling that he gets lost as a role player at the next level.

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See, I like him

Because I think he has a lot of ability, but he is not a sure thing at all. I wish he were much more aggressive and tried to draw more contact. A pet peeve of mine is players going out of there way to avoid contact, because in the NBA, getting to the foul line is incredibly important. Lamb seems to have a solid handle and one would think he could penetrate, just never seemed to.

I think he has a lot of potential, because I think he has rare physical attributes and few weaknesses as an all-around player. He did not take the next step this season though, which was to be more aggressive attacking the basket rather than relying on his jump shot. I really think that Lamb has potential with his combination of size and athleticism, not to mention a nice shooting form, but his lack of strength may play into a possibility of him becoming another run of the mill SG. He certainly does not have the build and more aggressive style of a Bradley Beal or even Austin Rivers.

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I'm not sure what I would do

I'm not sure what I would do with Drummond if I had #2. I'm not very impressed by him, and I watched him three or four times without coming away impressed. Whether it's the offense or not, he's not been as good as I expected him to be. I wouldn't take Sullinger over him, but I would take Lamb, and Barnes over him.

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Lamb doesn't know how good he

Lamb doesn't know how good he is, that's his problem. He's always deferring to Napier, or Kemba and prefers to operate without the pressure of being the 1st option, he's never going to be a 1st option guy in the NBA because he doesn't believe he can. However, he'd be a great running mate for a guy like John Wall, Kyrie Irving or Derrick Rose; alpha scorers at the PG spot who need a beta scorer alongside them to plug the gaps.

For certain teams, Lamb should be more highly regarded because of that team-first mindset, Washington being the perfect example, you don't want two alphas of the same age on the same team, it rarely pans out, especially when both are wings or guards. In the right situation though, he could be a certified stud, just needs to fall in behind a strong alpha.

As far as Drummond is concerned, I think he really dislikes the UConn system, it's really not designed for big guys to score a whole lot, and the few times I've seen him post up he's ignored for the most part. It's hard to put up great numbers when you don't get touches.

Without those touches in the paint, things like offensive rebounds drop off, because while he gives effort defensively, it can be hard to stay motivated to crash the boards when your guards miss if you aren't being appreciated.

As far as Drummond playing pickup at a D3 school, it sounds to me like he just wants a bit more freedom to play ball outside of the confines of UConn's system, and I think he can really blossom in a pro style game.

He doesn't really have the makings of a great college player, especially not at UConn, but that doesn't say anything about the pro ranks and how high he can go.

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omphalos brought up some

omphalos brought up some great points about Lamb. He defers to an inferior player, Napier, all the time. But with that being said, he'd fit perfectly in a system like Cleveland, playing next to Kyrie.

Drummond has potential, and was completely misutilized at UConn. But he isn't a sure fire top 3 guy. Out of Charlette, Washington, New Orleans, and Toronto (By far the 4 worst teams in the league), New Orleans is the only place I could really see him going. And the problem is, all of these teams are so low on talent its going to be hard for them to accept a "project" like Drummond, when they can get an immediate scorer like Barnes, even if he ends up being an inferior player.

Let me point some things out about the draft.net mock. Jeremy Lamb is not going in the top 3, Arnett Moultrie and Jared Sullinger are not getting picked ahead of MKG. Thomas Robinson (Who I am not particularly high on) is going to go in the top 5-6. And Brad Beal will be the first shooting guard selected. Assuming Charlotte goes #1, they are picking Davis. But then I would expect Washington, New Orleans, and Toronto to pick MKG, Beal, and Barnes in some order, unless New Orleans goes big and picks Tom Rob.

Portland has the Nets pick after that aweful trade, sure they probably aren't too keen on a risky big man, but wouldn't that be an ideal landing spot for Drummond in the 5-7 range?

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I'm high on Beal, but you really think someone will take him in the top 4? Drummond in Portland would be pretty cool though.

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i agree 110% with the last

i agree 110% with the last 5 posts.

lamb def. takes a back seat to napier, sad to see.

"and the few times I've seen [drummond] post up he's ignored for the most part." true, sad to see.

lamb visits the FT line 3.6 times a game, not terrible, but he doesn't like contact. you know how many times i've seen him put up long floaters instead of taking it at the defense . lamb is enamored with his 3 pt shooting and long floaters. sad to see

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@ FvckSwag666 : do you really

@ FvckSwag666 :

do you really think drummond will fall out of the first two spots ???

I have absolutely no doubt he will be taken 1 or 2.... after the tournament, some workouts and the combine : he will be a lock on those 2 first picks (and I stil think he will go first).

You can't teach size and athletic centers are so rare (I wouldn't tell the same story if drummond was on the same draft than adams, zeller and noel).... Davis is a 4 and raises other questions than drummond about his future adaptation in nba.

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do you really think drummond


do you really think drummond will fall out of the first two spots ???

Yes, I do. Drummond has not been remotely close to good this year.

I have absolutely no doubt he will be taken 1 or 2....

Well then you must spend alot of time talking to the Bobcat and Wizard GMs, which I don't get the luxury to do.

after the tournament

His tourney is over. He finished it with 2 points and 4 rebounds total. Impressive.

(and I stil think he will go first).

Lets get one thing straight. I can't figure out for the life of me why anyone thinks Anthony Davis will be more than an athletic power forward who runs the floor, blocks shots, hits some jumpers, gets put backs, and averages about 16-10 at his peak, but he is going number 1 in this draft, no matter what.

You can't teach size and athletic centers are so rare (I wouldn't tell the same story if drummond was on the same draft than adams, zeller and noel).... Davis is a 4 and raises other questions than drummond about his future adaptation in nba.

Davis does have questions. But at least Davis has been a dominant college player. I know UConn doesn't run plays for Drummond, but thats an indictment on how reluctant they are to let him post up and do his own thing. Kentucky doesn't run plays for Davis either. I know Drummond has size. Theres much more to being an NBA player than having size though.

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