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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 3:16pm #51305

IndianaBasketball
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The deadline has passed and the following players have been waived using the amnesty clause:
Ron Artest
Mike Miller
Drew Gooden
Linas Kleiza
Tyrus Thomas
Are you surprised any of these players were waived using the clause and are there any players you thought would be waived, but weren’t?
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 4:25pm #821791

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This off seasons amnesties all made sense. All the moves were financially motivated and the players were no longer living up to the amounts they were being paid. The most surprising were Metta World Peace and Mike Miller because their respective teams had long disregarded the luxury tax, but the new CBA is making even the Lakers and the Heat make cost cutting maneuvers.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 4:25pm #821692

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This off seasons amnesties all made sense. All the moves were financially motivated and the players were no longer living up to the amounts they were being paid. The most surprising were Metta World Peace and Mike Miller because their respective teams had long disregarded the luxury tax, but the new CBA is making even the Lakers and the Heat make cost cutting maneuvers.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 4:29pm #821793

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It doesn’t really address your question, but I wouldn’t really call them victims. They get their salary plus anything they can sign on for. It’s actually a pretty player friendly outcome.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 4:29pm #821694

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It doesn’t really address your question, but I wouldn’t really call them victims. They get their salary plus anything they can sign on for. It’s actually a pretty player friendly outcome.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 1:18am #821828
  
  XYRYX
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  I know that who have been amnestied get the difference they owed from the former team from their New teams IF they are picked up by one of the teams under the cap. Does this mean Metta gets his full Lakers contract PLUS the vets minimum he receives from the Knicks because he wasn’t picked by a team out of the amnesty pool?
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  - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 2:47am #821838
    
    jjbutler73
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    Apparently some people don’t understand the CBA
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    - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 10:55am #822064
      
      XYRYX
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      What I mean is player x has a contract about 2 years and 5 mil per year left and is amnestied. If gets picked up by a team under the cap for lets say 1.5 mil per year for two years, his new team has to pay 1.5 mil and the player receives the remaining 3.5 mil per year from his former team. But if he wasn’t picked by out of the amnestied player pool, he is a free agent as I understand it. Does this mean he gets his 1.5 mil on top per year?
      If this is the case I think the word victim is blown way out of proportion since they actually raise the salary.
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    - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 10:55am #822163
      
      XYRYX
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      What I mean is player x has a contract about 2 years and 5 mil per year left and is amnestied. If gets picked up by a team under the cap for lets say 1.5 mil per year for two years, his new team has to pay 1.5 mil and the player receives the remaining 3.5 mil per year from his former team. But if he wasn’t picked by out of the amnestied player pool, he is a free agent as I understand it. Does this mean he gets his 1.5 mil on top per year?
      If this is the case I think the word victim is blown way out of proportion since they actually raise the salary.
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  - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 2:47am #821937
    
    jjbutler73
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    Apparently some people don’t understand the CBA
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 1:18am #821927
  
  XYRYX
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  I know that who have been amnestied get the difference they owed from the former team from their New teams IF they are picked up by one of the teams under the cap. Does this mean Metta gets his full Lakers contract PLUS the vets minimum he receives from the Knicks because he wasn’t picked by a team out of the amnesty pool?
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 4:48pm #821805

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To the heat mike miller has been a key part in them winning back to back championships. I understand the money part of it with taxes but seriously the guy you choose to amnesty is miller over joel anthony? I dont understand especially, when you could amnesty Anthony and sign maybe 2 big bodies for cheap. Pryzbilla, chris wilcox, jason collins, kenyon martin, all guys who can bang and get cleanup buckets. I guess when miller makes 6mil and joel makes close to 4mil thats what the heat thought about with this decision. Still, I would think they would have went this route instead of letting go of miller, but im not in the Miami Heat front office.
Thought Gooden this year was treated unfairly with his minutes. I think he got hurt some time in the season but i forgot since he barely played anyway. His career averages were around 12+pts and around 8rebs per game before this past season with the bucks. This year with the Bucks his averages were 3.3 pts and 1.9rebs in 9.4 mins a game playing only 16 games. Sounds to me he was a victim of the young bug. You know john henson and epke udoh being young and athletic they went with those guys moving forward and Gooden was relegated to the bench. They also totally disrespected dalembert with the minutes they gave him for this same reason. I just think gooden can still be a significant part of a contending teams front court. He is still a solid big. Who knows maybe miami signs him. I know Miami loves to sign veterans who have been at the top of the league or atleast considerably over average at some point in their careers.
Metta i can see was strictly about money why else would the Lakers give up their only legitimate small forward.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 4:48pm #821706

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To the heat mike miller has been a key part in them winning back to back championships. I understand the money part of it with taxes but seriously the guy you choose to amnesty is miller over joel anthony? I dont understand especially, when you could amnesty Anthony and sign maybe 2 big bodies for cheap. Pryzbilla, chris wilcox, jason collins, kenyon martin, all guys who can bang and get cleanup buckets. I guess when miller makes 6mil and joel makes close to 4mil thats what the heat thought about with this decision. Still, I would think they would have went this route instead of letting go of miller, but im not in the Miami Heat front office.
Thought Gooden this year was treated unfairly with his minutes. I think he got hurt some time in the season but i forgot since he barely played anyway. His career averages were around 12+pts and around 8rebs per game before this past season with the bucks. This year with the Bucks his averages were 3.3 pts and 1.9rebs in 9.4 mins a game playing only 16 games. Sounds to me he was a victim of the young bug. You know john henson and epke udoh being young and athletic they went with those guys moving forward and Gooden was relegated to the bench. They also totally disrespected dalembert with the minutes they gave him for this same reason. I just think gooden can still be a significant part of a contending teams front court. He is still a solid big. Who knows maybe miami signs him. I know Miami loves to sign veterans who have been at the top of the league or atleast considerably over average at some point in their careers.
Metta i can see was strictly about money why else would the Lakers give up their only legitimate small forward.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:11pm #821778
  
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  Miller is more expensive
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:11pm #821877
  
  Plat
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  Miller is more expensive
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 8:16pm #821792

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I like Tyrus Thomas, I think he can be a nice piece off the bench for a good team. He can be a Taj Gibson type of player.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:41pm #821810
  
  Grandmama
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  Would love to hear why. He’s been awful every year he’s been in the league, has basically zero bball IQ, and has never shown the ability to play within a system.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 11:52pm #821820
    
    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    He’s an energy player that plays nice weakside defense and can hit the mid-range jumper. Why wouldn’t a team want that off the bench? Especially a contender.
    Clearly that big contract was/is the reason as to why a lot of people soured on him but I don’t see why a team wouldn’t want him off the bench for 2-3mil a year. Especially in his prime.
    I mean, do you really think teams like the Heat, Rockets, Clippers, Grizzlies, or Pacers wouldn’t want him off the bench?
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    - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 12:00am #821822
      
      TheTruth86
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      Who player are you talking aboout ? Linas Kleiza? If so, I agree with you, my point was that he’s injury prone and yes, the big contract he was on.
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    - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 12:00am #821921
      
      TheTruth86
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      Who player are you talking aboout ? Linas Kleiza? If so, I agree with you, my point was that he’s injury prone and yes, the big contract he was on.
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    - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 4:33am #821858
      
      JoeWolf1
      Tyrus’ problem has always been being consistant. There were times when he was with the Bulls, I thought he was going to be legit. He’s super athletic is a capable mid range shooter and like you said, at times can provide great energy. The bad is that he can put up a 20/10 game and then follow it with a game in which he looks completely lost and gets 4/5. He’s a lot like Anthony Randolph IMO. This year was the worst in his career, but he still managed to put up some good games when given minutes.
      With his IQ, I disagree about him being picked up by a contender, but I think he could make sense for a boarderline playoff team looking to add a cheap vet to be a 4th big.. He’s a long defender and he still shows flashes, he started his career with a playoff team and got traded to a playoff team that became the worst team in the league in a short amount of time. I think his “potential” is gone, but as he is, a change of scenery where games matter, but he’s not buried on a contender getting DNP’s might help reboot his career.
      I think teams like Atlanta, Washington ( if they part with Singleton or Vesely ), Portland or MInnesota would be better fits than big time contenders, but that’s just my personal opinion.
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    - Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 4:33am #821957
      
      JoeWolf1
      Tyrus’ problem has always been being consistant. There were times when he was with the Bulls, I thought he was going to be legit. He’s super athletic is a capable mid range shooter and like you said, at times can provide great energy. The bad is that he can put up a 20/10 game and then follow it with a game in which he looks completely lost and gets 4/5. He’s a lot like Anthony Randolph IMO. This year was the worst in his career, but he still managed to put up some good games when given minutes.
      With his IQ, I disagree about him being picked up by a contender, but I think he could make sense for a boarderline playoff team looking to add a cheap vet to be a 4th big.. He’s a long defender and he still shows flashes, he started his career with a playoff team and got traded to a playoff team that became the worst team in the league in a short amount of time. I think his “potential” is gone, but as he is, a change of scenery where games matter, but he’s not buried on a contender getting DNP’s might help reboot his career.
      I think teams like Atlanta, Washington ( if they part with Singleton or Vesely ), Portland or MInnesota would be better fits than big time contenders, but that’s just my personal opinion.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 11:52pm #821919
    
    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    He’s an energy player that plays nice weakside defense and can hit the mid-range jumper. Why wouldn’t a team want that off the bench? Especially a contender.
    Clearly that big contract was/is the reason as to why a lot of people soured on him but I don’t see why a team wouldn’t want him off the bench for 2-3mil a year. Especially in his prime.
    I mean, do you really think teams like the Heat, Rockets, Clippers, Grizzlies, or Pacers wouldn’t want him off the bench?
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:41pm #821909
  
  Grandmama
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  Would love to hear why. He’s been awful every year he’s been in the league, has basically zero bball IQ, and has never shown the ability to play within a system.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 8:16pm #821891

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I like Tyrus Thomas, I think he can be a nice piece off the bench for a good team. He can be a Taj Gibson type of player.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:09pm #821802

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Most of these players will get signed by other NBA teams sooner rather than later. Doubt about Kleiza whose health is consern and he also stated that he might be going back to Europe. Michael Jordan ,wake up there are a bunch of good FAs to construct a competitive team with!
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:36pm #821808
  
  PabloFiasco
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  We all know MJ can’t build a team…that’s Richard Cho’s job and No! He better not go after any of those past their prime veteran role players it’d be a waste
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  - Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:46pm #821812
    
    TheTruth86
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    Ok,I’m not a Bobcats fan but can’t pretend that I don’t see the poor management of the team. Their draft choices are questionable too. What kind of roster do they have now – Kemba/Henderson – he’s RFA,right?/ MKG (with Jeff Taylor as backup – i like him)/ Cody Zeller / Big Al. They released Tyrus Thomas and I hope Gana Diop is gone too. What about BJ Mullens and Ben Gordon and is there any decent guy on their SL roster?
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  - Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:46pm #821911
    
    TheTruth86
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    Ok,I’m not a Bobcats fan but can’t pretend that I don’t see the poor management of the team. Their draft choices are questionable too. What kind of roster do they have now – Kemba/Henderson – he’s RFA,right?/ MKG (with Jeff Taylor as backup – i like him)/ Cody Zeller / Big Al. They released Tyrus Thomas and I hope Gana Diop is gone too. What about BJ Mullens and Ben Gordon and is there any decent guy on their SL roster?
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:36pm #821907
  
  PabloFiasco
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  We all know MJ can’t build a team…that’s Richard Cho’s job and No! He better not go after any of those past their prime veteran role players it’d be a waste
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:09pm #821901

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Most of these players will get signed by other NBA teams sooner rather than later. Doubt about Kleiza whose health is consern and he also stated that he might be going back to Europe. Michael Jordan ,wake up there are a bunch of good FAs to construct a competitive team with!
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:52pm #821814

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I also should’ve mentioned Bismack Biyombo and Ramon Sessions (possibly as a 6th man). So far we got 9 decent players under contract am I right ? What the Bobcats really need. Personally I don’t understand why did they passed on McLemore and Noel in the Draft…
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 2:53am #821840
  
  jjbutler73
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  They have 11 spots filled and their front court is actually their strength, unfortunately.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 2:53am #821939
  
  jjbutler73
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  They have 11 spots filled and their front court is actually their strength, unfortunately.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/16/2013 - 9:52pm #821913

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I also should’ve mentioned Bismack Biyombo and Ramon Sessions (possibly as a 6th man). So far we got 9 decent players under contract am I right ? What the Bobcats really need. Personally I don’t understand why did they passed on McLemore and Noel in the Draft…
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Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 3:45am #821848

Ahkasi Clay
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till Brooklyn!
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Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 3:45am #821947

Ahkasi Clay
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till Brooklyn!
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Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 4:38am #821860

JoeWolf1
I think Drew Gooden’s market is going to be contenders looking for a cheap guy with a lot of experience and a high IQ. I think Boris Diaw’s play in the finals will make Gooden a target for contenders. He’s extremely skilled, can play the 4 and 5 and being a journeyman he can fit right in to a team.
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Posted on: Wed, 07/17/2013 - 4:38am #821959

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I think Drew Gooden’s market is going to be contenders looking for a cheap guy with a lot of experience and a high IQ. I think Boris Diaw’s play in the finals will make Gooden a target for contenders. He’s extremely skilled, can play the 4 and 5 and being a journeyman he can fit right in to a team.
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