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All-Time Greats in the NBA Finals

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All-Time Greats in the NBA Finals

Thought I'd put together some numbers from all-time greats in the NBA Finals to see how they compared to each other.

Jordan - 35 games, 24-11 record, 33.6ppg, 6.0rpg, 6.0apg, 1.77stl, .66blk, 49.3fg%

Magic - 50 games, 24-26 record, 19.4ppg, 7.9rpg, 11.7apg, 2.04stl, .30blk, 51.6fg%

Bird - 31 games, 16-15 record, 23.3ppg, 11.6rpg, 6.0apg, 2.03stl, .77blk, 45.8fg%

Kobe - 38 games, 23-15 record, 24.7ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.9apg, 1.71stl, .87blk, 41.2fg%

Lebron - 16 games, 6-10 record, 22.3ppg, 8.8rpg, 7.2apg, 1.38stl, .44blk, 43.8fg%


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I saw a stat yesterday that...

Lebrons PER in the 2007 finals against the Spurs was like 13.1 and Dwade's PER in 2006 against the Mavs was like 28. Now they are basically reversed for the playoffs this year.

Lebron's record and Magic's record are the most surprising. Especially Magic's. He always had HOF's playing with him and he was under .500 in the finals? That's crazy.

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All time greats in the

All time greats in the finals. And there's no Tim Duncan in there.

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I thought it would have been

I thought it would have been obvious I didn't put any bigs on the list....

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Magic's record

Magic might of had HOF's his whole career but so did the teams he were playing. He played against some of the greatest teams of all time(Malone's 76ers, Bird's Celtics, Isiah's Pistons, and Jordan's Bulls)

If I was to guess I would have thought Bird's fg % would have been higher. Around the 49-51% mark like Jordan and Magic.

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I see what you are seeing, but...

Magic and Kareem are in the conversation for top 5 ever. None of those other teams have two players in that category, and only one (chicago) has one in the top 5. You can't have the best two players on the floor in a series and lose. It just shouldn't happen. Especially when you factor in that they also always had good role players.

That's like saying Jordan's record should have been worse because Utah also had HOF's. Nope it didn't matter. He was the best player on the floor and he always found a way to get it done... especially against the other greats.

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None of those other teams

None of those other teams have two players in that category, and only one (chicago) has one in the top 5. You can't have the best two players on the floor in a series and lose.
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Except they never did have the two best players on the floor in a series and lose. Kareem wasn't the best or second best player in the league until the day he retired...

In 1981 they lost in the playoffs to a Rockets team that had a 26 year old Moses Malone who was better than a 34 year old Kareem.

In 1983 they lost to a Philly team that had a 28 year old prime Moses Malone who was still better than a 36 year old Kareem.

In 1984 they lost to Boston who had Bird who was better than Kareem and who was neck and neck with Magic as the best player at the time. Boston also had 3 other hall of famers in their prime, MJ never played a series against 4 hall of famers in their prime.

In 1986 they lost in the playoffs to a Rockets team which had Hakeem who was the second best player on the floor in the series.

In 1989 they lost to the Pistons who Had Isiah Thomas who was much better than a 42 year old Kareem and better than the Lakers #2 at the time in James Worthy.

In 1991, Kareem had already retired and they didn't even have the best player in the series since MJ was in his prime.

In between those years they won 5 championships.

Keep in mind that Magic made it to 9 NBA Finals, 3 more than MJ. Winning a title is important but getting to the finals is very impressive too, more than losing earlier in the playoffs. Yes Magic's record of 24-26 is below .500 but it also means he played alot more finals games in total than anyone else on that list

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9 Finals is definitely impressive...

and I had forgotten how much Kareem's stats fell off after the '80-'81 season. I had to go back and look.

It was surprising that his record was under .500 though. Nobody ever talks about that.

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Shaq and Tim

Shaq - 30 games, 17-13 record, 28.3 ppg. 13.1 rpg. 3.4 apg. 0.5 spg. 2 bpg. 49.5 fg%

Tim - 23 games, 17-6 record, 22.5 ppg. 14.4 rpg. 3.4 apg. 0.8 spg. 3.1 bpg. 47.1 fg%

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Gotta have Tim Duncan, say

Gotta have Tim Duncan, say what you want but he is a much better finals player than LeBron both in terms of stats and overall record. He'd have around 23 ppg 14 rpg 3.5 apg and 3.5 bpg on around 50% shooting.
About that, I don't feel up to actually counting precise numbers.

Oh, cool, seniokas beat me to it, plus brought up proper stats, sorry guys.

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All time greats in the

All time greats in the finals. And there's no Tim Duncan in there.
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I just assumed that the OP was just using non-big men since he doesn't have Shaq on there either. Here's a short one for big men who appeared in at least 3 finals:

Shaquille O'Neal - 30 games, 17-13 record, 28.6 PPG, 13.1 RPG, 3.3 APG, 2.1 BPG

Tim Duncan (updated after last night) - 23 games, 17-6 record, 22.6 PPG, 14.4 RPG, 2.5 APG, 3 BPG

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 56 games, 29-27 record, 23.1 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2 BPG

Hakeem Olajuwon - 17 games, 10-7 record, 27.4 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 3.4 APG, 3.2 BPG

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Very interesting stats..most

Very interesting stats..most notable to me is Tim Duncan's record, 17-6 (.739) is the highest winning % second being Michael Jordan himself, 24-11 (.686)

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Good call Buzzy. I was

Good call Buzzy. I was thinking about that, just was too lazy to do the math. lol

If Duncan wins a fifth title he can pull off a Finals MVP too, perhaps. 5 titles, 4 Finals MVP awards, and two regular season MVP awards will put him way up there. With only MJ having more Finals MVP awards, and only Jordan, Kareem, and Russell having more titles.

If Duncan can win the title, he could retire and go out on top like few others (Bill Russell being one). Or, he could stick around, get to 25,000 points (he is 1,500 away), and play into his early forties. If so, he should be in the top 6 all-time with Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, and Magic.

The scary part is that if Duncan comes back I think they have a shot at going back to back. 6 titles would tie him with MJ and he would be close to 25,000 points with 30,000 in sight. Duncan could conceivably move into the top 3 ever with Jordan and Wilt, possibly even ahead of Kareem (only one title without Magic, and only two Finals MVP's).

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The thing that I found most

The thing that I found most interesting was Shaq and Duncan's assist averages. 3.4 a game is huge for a center. Those guys can ball and I think they are both under rated by a lot of people.

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Plenty of people mention

Plenty of people mention Shaq's passing skills.

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Figured I'd update Lebrons

Figured I'd update Lebrons stats in the finals

27 games, 11-16 record, 24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.78 spg, .56 bpg, 46.3% fg%

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