who you guys got for first and second rookie team? And im pretty sure positions dont matter for rookie squads.
you dont think monroe is gonna make 1st or 2nd reke dmc? I mean he only has to beat out ben wallace and jason maxiell for minutes and he looked good in summer league.
I feel like Monroe is a hit or miss in Detroit. Detroit just spent a ton of money on Charlie V and Wilcox, with the addition of Jonas Jerebko. I do not think Monroe is going to get as big of a shot to play their as most people believe.
Also, Monroe has good footwork, but is more of a finnesse player. I am curious to how Monroe's game is going to translate to the NBA.
Evan Turner - People are down on him due to his SL performance, but I'm not.
You don't think Monroe will play, but Babbitt will? Where is Babbitt going to get minutes?
Portland really doesnt have any pure sharpshooters besides Babbit. As soon as he shows the coaching staff that he can contribute during his munutes, he will definitely get more playing time.
Who would have thought Wesley Matthews (also on portland) would have earned a starting role on the Jazz last year? Looking at a depth chart, I guess you could say he has no chance to play, but if a player shows he has something that noone on his team has the same quality of, he will definitely get more minutes.
On Monroe, in *my opinion,* he really doesn't have anything that is special or seeperates him from Charlie, Wilcox, or Jerebko. Sorry for all the Monroe fans, but I think that his passing game is a tad overrated. When you look at other players such as Cousins during summer league, he looked no better at passing.
i think both mathews and batum are good shooters and will be ahead of babbit.
I wasn't surprised when Matthews earned a starting role with a team like the Jazz. He's a solid player who's great defensively. You can't say that about Babbitt. Babbitt is a weak defensive player.
Matthews is going to back up the two and three in Portland. They're not paying him that much money to only play the 10-13 MPG behind Roy at the two. That leaves little to no minutes for Babbitt. McMillian is a defensive coach and Babbitt can't defend. I can't see him playing major minutes. Not this season.
This same point last year, people would have definitely said the exact same thing about Wesley Matthews.
These are just my opinions. We'll just have to see how the NBA season unfolds.
I really wouldn't bet on Babbitt seeing more than limited time. He looked shaky in SL, and only his mid-range game and free throw shooting seemed to translate. I don't think his range looked consistent from the NBA 3. I also don't think Coach McMillan will like the fact that he's a poor defender who can't really defend any position on the floor with much effectiveness. If he sees more than 12 mpg or so, I would be surprised.
Your'e putting evan turner on the rookie first team while telling me that luke babbit wont turn out in the NBA because he was shaky during summerleague?
I respect your opinion and like the point you were trying to make, but that same thing could be said about Evan turner.
Not if you consider that Turner's skill set will translate more effectively than Babbitt's. Turner can play and defend more than 1 position, and he can rebound and score enough to make the All-Rookie team. He brings more skills that translate than Babbitt. I expect like 12 ppg, 4 rpg, and 3 apg next year from Turner, which should be enough to earn him a spot.
Babbitt really was drafted to bring 1 thing, shooting. And his shooting didn't even really translate against relatively lackluster competition. Which I think will limit his PT until his range extends more. And then he can't defend, playing for a coach that puts a premium on defense. Can't be too promising for him as a rookie
Turner didn't play well during SL, but everyone knows what he brings to the table. With players like Turner, you don't take the SL too seriously. You can see that his skills will translate.
Derrick Rose didn't play well in SL either, but everybody knew he'd be fine in the regular season.
We know Evan Turner is more versatile than Luke Babbit. Thats why Evan Turner was picked 2nd.
If Evan Turner is getting 9.4 points, 5.6 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 33% field goal percentage and Luke Babbit is getting 14.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 45% field goal percentage in summer league, tell me how Evan turner is going to be effective on NBA competition? (corrected)
Who said he was going to dominate NBA competition?
I know I sure didn't...
You have to understand what to look at during SL. You can't just go by numbers, etc. You have to look at each player's skill and what'll be able to translate over to the regular season.
Turner has flaws, but I'm confident that he'll be an above average player at worst. He's not that long, but has enough size to play three positions. He handles the ball... Rebounds. Passes well. Defends three positions. He's tough and doesn't back down. He's going to have to make some adjustments, but he'll be fine.
Based on your logic, Luke Harangody is going to be better than Evan Turner.
Exactly. It is extremely important to know what to take from SL, and stats isn't one of them.
You took what I was saying and took it way too far. JNixon said that Babbit struggled in SL and wouldnt be successful in the NBA. THen I asked him why he put Evan Turner in the first team based on his own logic.
Nixon you keep contradicting yourself. You cant say "It is extremely important to know what to take from SL, and stats isn't one of them" after saying that Babbit didnt shoot well in the SL, therefore not succeeding in the NBA.
Babbitt had decent statistics, but he looks like a one dimensional player. He doesn't play as athletic/long as he is. He seems to have trouble translating it over to his game, especially on the defensive end.
Other than his shooting, I don't know what'll translate for Babbitt. And he's so bad on the defensive end, I don't even think his shooting can get him in the regular rotation.
Guards- Wall and Turner
Forwards- Griffin and Monroe
Guards- Bledsoe and Crawford
Forwards- George and Favors
I didn't say Babbitt wouldn't be successful in the NBA. That is a different topic for another day. All I was saying is he won't be an All-Rookie player. I gave reasons why: basically centered around the fact that not much about his game translates other than a 2 dribble pull-up from about 15 feet and his free throw shooting. His claim to fame and only legit NBA weapon is his shooting, and his range wasn't even consistent. That makes me think he won't be a consistent rotation player.
Turner's game translates better to me, despite Babbitt's better scoring and efficiency in SL. Turner's ball-handling, defensive versatility, passing and rebounding will all be important and key to him being a good rookie. You're point was based around stats. And that isn't the way to go. There were more productive SL players than Turner, but think about how those players translate to the NBA and how they will play roles for their teams in comparison to Turner. That has to factor. He brings more NBA skills than Babbitt, and I GUARANTEE he will be a more effective rookie, because I saw how Babbitt and Turner's skills translate. Not because I spew out stats from something where skills are meant to be evaluated
Honorable Mention: Patrick Patterson, Derrick Caracter, Larry Sanders, Cole Aldrich, Derrick Favors, Armon Johnson
Turner will be a bust book it. He did not look comfortabe with the ball out of his hands and his struggled to find his own shot off the dribble as well his lack of NBA athletcism was highly evident. He will be a solid role player but nothing possibly better then that and Babbit played in a weak conference and put up gaudy numbers agaisnt inferior competition he plays terrible defense and his shot in SL looked quite streaky he does not have a complete NBA skill set. If you think Babbitt will get playing time over Batum a young strong wing and Matthews thats crazy. Not to mention that Babbit is a tweener as he isnt big or strong enough to guard 4's but doesnt have the skill set or athleticism or defense to play 3's
Your really going to call a player, a very skilled talented player, a bust because he played bad in the summer league of his rookie year? Thats a little presumptuous. I bet you your wrong on both counts.
lol ok we will come back to this a year from now and we will see I understand your opinion but there alot of college stars who dominated but careers failed to pan out in the NBA
It would take more than a year to call someone a bust don't you think?