After watching some of the highlights and seeing the stats of the Summer league I ask is this draft still Weak?
I don't believe it is. I dont think it is a strong as some of the top drafts but a lot of the players look like they will be good and great players and some of the people that looked like projects look like they are just a year away from making noise. What do you think? Also I know this is just summer league but if all these draft picks sucked they would not do well in summer league either.
I Agree......Some Guys Are Actually Stepping Up.....Sam Young, &Dejuan Blair, really showed that they were 1st round potential....
I never felt for one second that this draft was week. There are players in this draft that have real futures in this league.
DeRozan , everyone thought he was very very raw and was all potential but i like his skill set that will still continue to develop
Wish we could have been seeing RUBIO
I would have loved to see Rubio as well even if he does not play for Minnesota this year.
Don't put too much stock into what happens in summer league. It's young players playing against young players and it's also very early. That however doesn't mean it's meaningless. There are some positives and negatives that can be taken from these games. Just don't rush to judgement, and it's certainly waaaay too early to judge the draft!
I remember in the first summer league game last season. Bulls played Heat and Beasley scored 28 points and Rose did very little and turned the ball over several times. I had said all along Bulls should draft Rose over Beasley and started having second thoughts. One or two games of summer league are just that.
I hear what you are saying but the thing is a lot of these players were said to be not so good or also projects and they are displaying skills that make them seem more ready. Rose did not play that bad in summer leagues but stat wise he did not produce as much as Beastly but Rose's game fit better in what the Bulls were trying to do and also Rose has shown like Derozan did last year that he grew as a player throughout the year. Also Beastly would have been the better pick if he was a legit power forward. He is still talented but I think with the Chicago connection that Rose had to be the pick and also Rose could be better than Chris Paul in 2 years and that is hard to pass up.
I am mainly talking about skill set that you see and not production. Curry's numbers are not that good but if you look at him play, he is displaying a lot of good things same with Evans. Holiday may need a little time to grow though. So far Curry, Evans, Harden, Daye, Derozan, Hanbrough, Collison, Thorton, Beaubois, Green, Blair, Young, Summers, are all looking like quality players and it will depend on their role what kind of stats they put up but all these guys look like keepers. Harden, Evans, and Curry look like they have star potential. Mullens has looked better than people were saying. There are a lot of second year player like Randolph that should help out the over status on last years draft as well.
i would like to see rubio as well but i think summer league doesn´t mean that much.. okay players can show that they have skills but against weak competiton it is easy to do so... competition in the nba will be something else than in summer league!
if you see who is playing in summer league it is just better NCAA level and the guys who play in summer league proved they had skills in college so it is not such a big surprise to me...
the problem with for example curry will be that in summer league he isn´t playing against such good defenders as he will during the season and he plays in a whole different roster! once the season started he will not only have to show his skills against opposing defences but will have to fight for playing time a crowded warriors backcourt!
but i agree some of the rookies are looking better than expected....
Yea summer league means nothing at all to me. Year in and year out people have great summer league performances and then go to the D-League or arent factors when they're on the roster. You get a few guys that surprise and are effective like Anthony Morrow and CJ Watson, but you usually dont project a player's improvement or the strength of a draft by the summer league
im very suprised by some of the players and the how well they are playing...dajuan summers, austin daye and derozen has been the most suprising to me...as well as danny green..not too suprised at jennings..figured his first game would be rocky then his second game hes dominate which he did. yea rose wasnt great in the summer league and beasley was pretty good and would have brought that over to the nba if he was given the spots like the other rookies..even though his defense was bad peopel dont realize that rose and some of the other rookies defense were just as bad but they were given a chance to correct there mistakes during the game...anyway i alwasy said this draft was better then alot of people on here(knicksboy) said it was..but we will just have to wait and see
I was saying from the beggining. They only issue people were having is they could not figure out who was going to be good. They even doubted Harden who has shown awareness of the game on a veterans level. He has also done some thing athletically that people were not expecting. Summer league does not mean much stat wise but you have to look at how a person plays and see if that can transition over if they get minutes. Bayless did well in Summer league but did not get any minutes or fit with what Portland was looking for. Hopefully this year he gets minutes so we can see he put up numbers. Beastly should put up better stats as well. I am really intrigued about how this draft personell will fit. Noone knows what to expect.
Look people I am not big on the points thing or care but if I see that people have taken away my points. You need to at least say why. Summer league does show stuff if you look at the right things. Anyone that is saying Summer league means nothing still has growing to do basketball wise. We draft based on college and potential and summer league has the best college players and also second year and guys trying to make it in the league. This talent level is between college and NBA. Also you get a chance to see what guys can do in a 5 on 5 setting. Jennings was not seen much because he was overseas but you see him now. There were people wondering about a players driving and shooting abilities or ability to run a team. It is showing here now. Looking at stats do not mean much once you see that a person can play and have a various amount of roles they can play in a team offense or defense. If Harden does not score more than 10 in all his other games. He has shown that he pass, he has high basketball IQ, he can get to the rim, he can make spot up shots. These abilities can translate to the Thunder's team with Durant on it. Also he got some time to play with Westbrook and they looked good together. Curry gets a chance to play with Randolph and they played well together and they may start or be on the second team together. I wish i could watch summer league games right now but I have to go off highlights and just look at a players awareness and execution from those. Also you look at what a player can do here and see if it carries to the preseason.
Summer league definitely means something. Watch the games....they are normally entertaining. You can learn quite a bit about these players by watching them in summer games.
I'm not not on this years daft because of the summer league. We already know these guys can play against other young players. The question is if they can hack it against grown ass men in the NBA. Jennings will be giving up 40 pounds to alot of NBA PG's. I know he can play against other 20 year olds.
Sheltwon you can watch the games here http://fr.justin.tv/sports_live_3
I also agree with you summer league games tells us alot about players. Yesterday, when I watched Brandon Jennings game I realized how much immature he still was vut the potential is all there. The Memphis game showed that Hasheem was ready to contribute off the bench right away (He really is a ready defensive stopper and he use the pick and roll surprisignly good.)
yeah if youre good enough it doesnt matter how many pounds you give up..all the small pg has showed that..also jennings is 6'2...and on top of that there arent many dominate post up pg in the nba in todays game its speed thats the issue with pg which jennings has showed he has alot of
evans really impressed me vs. the warriors. i could see him getting a few triple-doubles a season once he gets the hang of things. I'm nottalking like lebron status, just maybe 15 11 and 10 on a few rare occasions.
i wasn´t saying summer league dosen´t mean anything. it is a place for young players to show skills against weaker competition than in the nba. all i was saying was that may of the things they are doing now won´t work on nba level or they won´t be able to show much of that because of little playing time.
but i would not say this draft is better or worse than thought because of the summer league. leave these guys 4-5 seasons than we can talk about how good or bad this draft was...
and i don´t think that in time this draft will be bad it was just a bad draft for gm´s because there weren´t many save picks if you take away griffin. i think this draft was called bad because with many players it´s hard to see if they gonna be busts or stars!
feel like this draft is more of a role players draft