96-98 Bulls hypothetical question.
So a friend and I were talking about the Bulls with MJ and Pippen. I said that Rodman was irreplaceable in that team and that system, He did all the dirty work and had no problem with not getting touches on the offensive end. My friend says that Rodman could have been replaced by a number of guys.
Then (somehow) we got talking about substituting current NBA players into that system and we got arguing about Dwight Howard. Dwight versus Rodman as the better 3rd piece of one of the greatest teams to play?
I think it is no question Rodman due to his ability to play within that system. My friend thinks that Dwight's overall game would have made that team unbeatable.
I just want to get an idea of what you guys think. Please elaborate as to why I am right or wrong.
**Disclaimer: Obviously the 4 year old Lefteris Bochoridis would have been the best option for the Bulls, but due to the NBA's racist and ageist policies that could not happen and we will never know how good they really could have been.
I would take Rodman over Dwight as a third option for those Bulls teams every day of the week and I've been a Bulls fan since I was roughly 5 or 6 years old
I know everyone loves rodman and the intangibles he brought that bulls side and Howard is not feeling the love from anyone at the moment..... But you put the Orlando-dwight with pippen and Jordan and they would win just as many rings if not more!
I am a huge Dwight fan, but I just think that he would not be willing to embrace being the guy that only defends and rebounds. He is a much better offensive player than Dennis and a hell of a defender but in terms of playing the role that MJ and Pip needed I don't think he would want to do it.
They were together for three years, winning all three years. Not sure how Howard could bring more championships.... Would they have won two championships in one season? That would be an amazing accomplishment, lol
To elaborate though, Rodman just knew how to frustrate his opponent without going too far (most of the time). Only being about 6'7" and getting 15 rebounds a game at that age is ridiculous too especially when you consider the big men in the league at the time. Bottom line, I would take a guy who's willing to do the dirty work as my third option when paired with Jordan and Pippen. I thought those three were about as perfect a fit as you will ever find.
I just got thinking about Ben Wallace...maybe he could have done a similar job to Rodman. Won't admit that to my friend though cos he was sure that Rodman was 'replaceable'.
The simple fact that Dennis Rodman can guard ANY position EFFECTIVELY is the primary reason as to why he can't be replaced. Not even mentioning his rebounding, tenacity, mentality, intangibles, and many more assets he had.
If you can combine Ben Wallace's attitude, body, and post defense with Reggie Evans rebounding ability, along with LeBron's perimeter defense. You would get Dennis Rodman.
This is really easy. Rodman was a superior defensive player and rebounder. He knew his role and played it well. Dwight is a better dunker and a little taller, but he has a tendency to whine when he doesn't touch the ball. If Dwight can't handle Kobe, I don't think he could handle MJ. Rodman didn't give a damn. He did his own thing, but when it came to game time MJ and Pippen knew they could count on him.
When it comes down to it, Dwight wouldn't give those bulls teams anything that they didn't already have other than a weak mentality and a couple more highlights a night.
I think your understating the role of Phil Jackson by comparing rodman at the bulls to dwight under d'antoni. If Jackson could control possibly the most enigmatic personality to play in the league I'm betting Jackson could have "matured" a young dwight Howard.
Rodman didn't need shots or even touches. Dwight does. Then Luc Longley played smart, tough D at the five. Luc and Dwight might not have worked out.
I also think that fear plays a part. Rodman was mean, tough as nails and to put it nicely, a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Dwight might block your shot, but I dont think anyone would be scared of him if it came to a fight. Kinda like prime time Ron Artest, not many people would want to fight him.
on that team is Joakim Noah. He couldn't guard 2s and 3s like Worm could, but he's the same kind of defense/rebounding/energy guy that Rodman was, and doesn't need the ball. Maybe MJ could make him stop screaming and puffing up after every play he makes, too.
Lets not forget that they won titles with Horace grant. I used to love Horace but a Phil Jackson coached dwight is a massive upgrade.
Considering the spurs took on will purdue's 8pts and 4 rebounds (+ cash) for Dennis rodman, imagine what they would have given up for dwight, I mean damn they probably throw in Sean Elliott!
Dwight is better then rodman and it's entirely possible the bulls win with Dwight. But 2 things, rodman was a great passer and the bulls not only had 3-4 elite defenders on the court at all times, but also 3-4 great passers. also Dwight flat out pouted when he didn't get touches. He recently said playing with Kobe was no fun. Well have fun playing with mj, I'm sure he is riot to hang around when you're on your way to 45 wins.
I heard Greece fields the premier 4-and-under national team in the world...
Rodman everyday for the reason of his superior defense and just basketball intangibles. He knew where to be and what to do everytime, he made a HOF career by basically defining the perfect role player. If i could put anyone in todays game and could take it to their prime years for that team, id take 2007 KG.... Great instincts and the best pick and roll defender possibly ever. Hes shown he can fit that role real nice already...
Howard would not have worked on that team. Giving him the ball in the high post and asking him to make decisions is not his strong suit. Rodman was a really good passer. Despite having Jordan on the team, Howard would still want to dominate the ball. Jordan and Howard would have hated each other. Jordan's work ethic, desire to win, and utter competitiveness was like none seen before.Things would not have gone well with Howard's goofiness and carefree attitude. MJ would have been whoopin that ass in practice!
Ask your friend this question. Do you really want D. Howard, and his offensive abilities, taking away touches from Michael Freakin Jordan?