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8 Deadly Thoughts on Basketball Right Now..

- Casey Mitchell is going to play in the NBA... With all the love that guys in the second round seem to be getting, Mitchell will get his chance... He has an NBA body and has finally started defending.

- I am tired of the Melo talk... I want him to either be traded or just try to win the West... Right now, Melo is playing bad, Denver hates him, and the Nets have pissed off the whole roster other than Lopez.. Im sure this stuff happens all the time but it shouldnt be made public...

- There are a few legit NBA guys in the D-League that need a shot on a team...

- Lakers need to make a move. Walton isnt a good NBA player and Ebanks isnt ready now.. With Artest being a loose cannon, you need a reliable backup for him.. They have a first round pick that they dont want to use and there are teams that need picks.. IMO, they need to give the Knicks a pick for a guy like Azabuki or Randolph... Its not like they are playing with NY anyway... That woud give the Lakers a good backup and the Knicks a pick... Win Win??

- Duke is amazing... They lost their best recruit and maybe the best freshman in the nation and they keep slaying A$$ like nothing ever happened...

- Blake Griffin should be an All-Star.. Lets be honest.. What PF in the West has played better?? Gasol? He has been playing center... Love, Yea but thats one... Dirk?? Maybe... Randolph, No.. Scola, No.. Aldridge, No... Duncan, No.. The only thing that will keep him from getting there is LA's record.. If they keep playing like they are lately though, he has to be an All-Star...

- I like the Cavs young core... They need to swallow their pride and try to forge ahead with the team they have and try to develop some young players... Harris, Enyenga, Hickson, Gee, Gibson, and Verajo could be a nice young core and I still think they should try to trade Jamison for some young talent and maybe even look to trade Williams.. They could be surprised at what they could get for the 2 of them.

How frustrating are the Pistons?? Stucky is a 2 playing the 1.. Monroe has all the talent in the world but he is playing awful and he should never play center.. Daye, Hamilton, Gordon, Prince, Villaneuava, and Summers all play the same role but there isnt enough time for everyone... Prince and Hamilton def need to go but they should also try to trade Gordon and Charlie V... This team is pretty embarrassing... They need a PG who can shoot the ball.. Play Stucky at the 2, Daye at the 3, Monroe at the 4 and they need to get a defensive C that can bang and beat on anyone..


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Dirk was the frontrunner for

Dirk was the frontrunner for MVP before the injury, that's a bit more than a "maybe".

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Barnes is Artest back up and

Barnes is Artest back up and he does a pretty good job. The Lakers don't need to take on more contracts especially with the new CBA coming up

And Blake should be a Allstar if you don't take winning into account. Dirk has been Doing work that have lead to Dallas being the number 2 team. I think that deserves alot more than a maybe. If we are just taking numbers and show man ship into it then Monte Ellis should be considered as well.

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yeah,that melo trade rumors

yeah,that melo trade rumors is becoming sickening..melo's talking about the trade rumors are wrong and unfair to billups..but he hasnt made a statement on why he wont resign with the nuggets or wants a trade..his refusal to make a commitment is tearing about the team..

the nuggets have some big decisions to make in the off season,kenyon and jr smith are free agents, nene can opt out and the nuggets can save money by waiving billups before the start of the 2012 season..

the grizzlies also puzzle me..they can beat the lakers and the heat..blowout the bobcats then lose to them..beat the jazz and thunder,then a few days lose to them..

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Monroe is not playing awful

Monroe is not playing awful he's got like 3 double doubles in a row. Yeah I think Rip Hamilton can go Stuckey can move to the 2 and we can trade Rip and a Pick for Aaron Brooks.

Starters-

  • PG- Aaron Brooks
  • SG- Rodney Stuckey
  • SF- Tayshaun Prince
  • PF- Greg Monroe
  • C- Chris Wilcox

Bench-

  • PG- Tracy McGrady
  • SG- Ben Gordon
  • SF- Austin Daye
  • PF- Charlie Villanueva
  • C- Ben Wallace
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@ Anton.. Dirk was a

@ Anton.. Dirk was a frontrunner for like a week or something... That doesnt mean anything... The only reason is that he is the best player on the 3rd best team in the West... He isnt a front runner now... And, like you said, he is hurt... I still aruge that he isnt playing much better, if any, than Blake is...

@ LAKESHOW... Barnes is out for the next 6-9 weeks... That is going to be a crutial stretch... And, who knows how he is going to come back... Guys that get knee injuries often come back timid... If Barnes is timid, he is useless...

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Lakers should offer Bynum, Ebanks and any picks they can muster for Iguadola and Hawes. Barnes injury and Artest's age are going to hurt the 3 peat. Also the Pistons should trade Tayshuan to the Clippers for Chris Kaman. Rip may get moved for Troy Murphy so they'll save cash next season with Troy gone. He'll be back in New Jersey if they don't take back Harrington in the Melo deal. The Nets will need a stretch 4 if they want to contend.

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@pistonsman - Sorry, I didnt

@pistonsman - Sorry, I didnt realize that about Monroe.. That is great for him and maybe for the Pistons.. I dont think that Aaron Brooks is the answer for the Pistons... I was thinking maybe someone like Mo Williams.. Also, Wilcox is terrible.. I didnt even like him in college...

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these are deadly

these are deadly

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I actually think Blake should

I actually think Blake should get some all nba consideration, he really is a top 3 power forward right now............

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your right about the cavs but

your right about the cavs but if u dan gilbert that: In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight: "I personally guarantee that the Cleveland Cavaliers will win an NBA Championship before the self-titled former 'king' wins one." statement could be the reason they dont trade williams and jamison trying to show cle they arent tanking the season when they need to

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Pistons should trade Prince for a center like Kaman.

It would be a homecoming for both players and then you can slide Greg Monroe to Power Forward. Rip for an expiring contract like Murphy or Kirelenko is an option to save fast cash this off-season. If they could ship Rip the Nets for Murphy, Prince to Clippers for Kaman and the Gordon/Villanueva duo to Jazz for AK47 they would create huge cap space and free up room for the young players on their roster. They can add Kaman and their lottery pick to a roster that needs size while clearing Rip, Gordon and Villanueva. They would have a core of Stuckey, Monroe, Kaman plus Daye and their draft pick

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I'm also getting sick of the

I'm also getting sick of the Melo trade rumors. Everytime you think he's going to get traded, the Denver FO pulls away and ask for more. There were rumors of this trade happening months ago, and people were saying that "IT WILL GO DOWN", but Denver pulled a way at the last second. Now, the trade rumors have popped up again, and The Nets have a proposed deal, and now the Nuggets want more?!? I'm getting tired of it. I think that what the Nets proposed would be great for the Nuggets. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Nuggets would get Devin Harris(former all-star that has been hampered by injuries, but is still solid), Troy Murphy(expiring contract), Derrick Favors(young big with LOADS of potential), and two 1st-round picks, but now Denver wants a third 1st-rounder and wants NJ to take on Al Harrington's contract. WHAT MORE COULD DENVER ASK FOR!! And I don't think that Carmelo can stay in Denver to long, because the home fans booed him and the trade rumors are probably bothering him. Team presiden Masai Ujiri is the main one responsible for this. Just because of this, I hope Denver keeps him and Melo decides NOT to resign and Denver gets NOTHING in return for him.

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lakers already traded their

lakers already traded their first round pick to get rid of sasha

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Barnes has never been timid

Barnes has never been timid so im not worried about that and he's only out for 2 months i'm sure the lakers can survive in that time. as long as he is ready for the playoffs. And i would not trade Bynum for iggy. Bynum is playing well and is the future(if he can stay healthy)

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who would the lakers give up?

who would the lakers give up? Artest has been playing only like 28 minutes this season so he will bump up to 35 and shannon brown will get more minutes and the few minutes left will go to luke walton.

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Wow wtf? Blake has been

Wow wtf?

Blake has been playing better than Gasol and Dirk??? Get outta here. Until he hasn't lead his team to the playoffs or atleast close he isn't even discussion being as good as those two guys. Timmy's numbers are weaker but he doesn't even play 30mpg and still plays great AND his team has the best record so far, something nobody would have guessed.

And then you say Love has been the only one who has played on the same level as him? Wrong again imo. Yes 15 rpg are impressive but he is shooting horribly from the field, for a guy his size who is taking almost no shots off the dribble and he doesn't look as nearly as dominant as Blake. Adding to this the Wolves suck even more than the Clippers.

Right now it's close between Odom and Blake imo. Odom deserves it imo he played very good on a great team. I wouldn't mind that much if they would pick Blake over him though.

I think Joe Alexander deserves a shot at a team, the Mavs for instance. I think he could be easily an upgrade over Cardinal. Cardinal is probably the worst NBA player and I wouldn't mind if they gave Alexander a chance. What might stop the Mavs is that the bench is playing a zone so far this season which is working great, maybe they don't want to risk getting an upgrade because Cardinal has trained more with them and looks average on the zone.

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I agreed that Gasol had

I agreed that Gasol had played better but he is a center... Dirk has a better team but he hasnt played better.. Love is the only guy that has close... He is the most dominate player on his team.. So is Blake.. He impacts his team more than almost any other player in the league... Just watch a few of his games.. The Clippers go as Griffin goes...

I think Alexander is one of the top 4 players in the D-League... He deserves a shot somewhere... I was thinking maybe NY as another PF/SF type guy that they love.. Possibly Portland because right now they are playing Donte Cunningham about 15-20 minutes a night.. The guy is just unproducive... Or the Hornets, where he started the season because they really dont have alot of help on the bench.. I hadnt thought of the Mavs because Dirk eats up most of the minutes at PF and Marion, Stevenson, and Butler before the injury play alot of SF... It is a nice idea because Cardinal has been getting some minutes lately..

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How is Dirk not playing

How is Dirk not playing better than him? He is averaging better numbers than in his MVP season. 55% from the field taking mostly jumpers. Adding to this he takes almost all the tough shots off the dribble for his team and leading them to a huge record. How can he have not have a better season. He and team defense lead his team to the 2nd best record in the west. Blake isn't leading his team anywhere right now, not even close to the playoffs although he has that kinda numbers. But his and Love's numbers are close worthless because they are averaging those numbers on sucky teams.

A bad team doesn't have many talented players, it's a lot easier to average those numbers, while Dirk averages those numbers on a great team surround by great players.

And like I said Griffin is dominant player. But Love isn't that dominant. He is shooting only 45% which is bad number for someone who is taking almost no shots off the dribble and has his size. If the game is close, Beasley gets the ball, not Love.

Both are great players nevertheless. But not in the discussion with Timmy, Gasol and Dirk. Odom is playing very good so far and would deserve it also. If it would be between Griffin and Love, Griffin should get it.

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I dont understand the concept

I dont understand the concept that it is easier to average big numbers on a bad team... HOW?? Please explain.. Because here is how I see it...

When you play the Mavs, what is your game plan??

"Well they have great shooters so we have to makes sure we close out on guys like Stevenson, Kidd and Terry.. Second, Dirk is great so we have to look at doubling him on iso plays but we have to be careful because they can beat us if our rotation is slow at all.. Third, we need to keep Marion, Chandler, Dirk, and Haywood off the glass.. Chandler is going to go after every rebound and he is constantly going to be trying to block shots.. Also, Kidd is going to look to lob the ball close to the rim for Chandler, so wee need to look at that.."

How far off am I???? Please let me know....

Game plan for the Spurs??

"We have to slow down Parker, if he gets out in the open floor, he will single handedly destroy us... Manu is Manu and he is going to get his points.. All we can do is make him uncomfortable and take contested shots.. Jefferson is a great leaper but wont really look to shoot unless he is wide open.. Force Duncan to create for himself. Dont let this guy score without a dribble first.. He is consistant as always and we just have to try to contain.. Of course they bring great guys off the bench and have a few guys that are lights out if they are open.. Then they have those guys like Blair, McDyce, and Bonner who will out work you if you let them.."

What have you noticed soo far?? Lots of stuff to deal with along with Dirk and Duncan right???

Now...

Game plan for the Wolves?

"Beasley is going to shoot and shoot and shoot untill he gets his 20 points.. If you let him rebound early, he will rebound all night.. WE need to be physical with him and push him around.. Get in his head.. Johnson is a jumper and will score if he is uncontested.. Love will kill you on the glass.. He needs to be double boxed out on every shot.. Dont leave him open because he can knock down an open shot.. Once he gets a reboud, most of the time he will try to throw a great outlet pass.. When he gets an offensive board, he is going to score or get fouled.. SOO, we have to keep him off the glass.. This team wont beat us unless love kills the glass.. Luke is solid and wont turn the ball over and Darko is gonna block your shots.. Take an extra dribble and make him move..."

With that report, I dont see alot of threats other than stopping Love.. So the wole game play is pointed at Kevin.. Bealsey is in there too but when the whole team knows that they have to come get you to win, they will...

Continue...

Game plan for the Clippers?

"Griffin.. It starts with Griffin.. We have to keep a body on this guy at all times.. Probably 2.. We cant really double him because he is a great passer and we have to try to keep him off the glass.. If you let him, he will jump right over you and dunk on your goal.. Now Davis is going to be aggressive and get others involved but just keep him away from the rim and make him shoot lots of threes.. Gordon can without a doubt score but he is small.. Use that against him.. Make him go off the dribble and shoot pullup jumpers.. You need to keep him in the midrange or he is gonna kill ya.. Jordan isnt a threat other than shot blocking and rebounding.. Gomes can shoot when open but thats about it.. "

Griffin has less threats around him.. SOOO, if the whole team game plans for him, how does he consistantly put up huge numbers... IMO, put Blake with the Spurs or put him with the Mavs, and he is a better basketball player than he is now.. When you are the only guy on a team, like Blake is and like Kevin is, it is harder to do your thing... Other team have an easier time focusing on you and stopping you.. Against the Clippers, you stop Blake and make the rest of the team beat you.. Against the Wolves, you stop Love, and let the other players beat you.. What do you do against the Spurs??? Stop Duncan and leave the rest?? NO, you will get killed... Do you stop Dirk and let the others beat you?? NO, you again, will get killed...

SO please explain to me how it is easier to put up good numbers on a bad team???

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there are alot of teams who

there are alot of teams who would love to have eric gordon or deandre jordan. the clippers have a great future inside/out combo in griffin/gordon. however good players put great number on bad teams its true.blake and kevin love get the most touches on theyr teams while like you said dirk, duncan, etc..have to share the ball but still put up great numbers.

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Yea.. They have a great

Yea.. They have a great FUTURE combo.. Teams want Jordan because centers are weak in the league.. Gordon is legit but that is one player.. Those other guys have legit player AND All-Stars beside them.. Come on man.. Kidd, Terry, Marion, Chandler vs Gordon, Davis, Jordan, Gomes???? Get real...

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Parker, Manu, Jefferson, Blair vs Gordon, Davis, Jordan, Gomes???

I dont get it..

Both teams run thier offense through Dirk and Duncan... Just like the Clippers run their offense through Blake...

I know numbers can be misleading but here is a stat for ya...

Per 48,

Dirk takes 22.3 shots per game...

Duncan takes 19.0 shots per game...

Love takes 19.9 shots per game

Griffin takes 20.7 shots per game..

Soo much for them getting more touches becaues they are the best player on thier team...

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Okay okay. What your saying

Okay okay. What your saying isn't necessairly wrong. But you forgot one thing. If there is more talent around you have to give up shot attempts. If you are surrounded by strong rebounders, you get less rebounds.

Ray Allen:

06/07 for Seattle in 40mpg - 26.4 ppg, 4 rpg, 4apg

07/08 for Boston in 36mpg - 17.4 ppg, 3rpg, 3apg

David Lee:

09/10 for New York in 37.3 mpg - 20.2 ppg, 11,7 rpg

10/11 for GSW in 36.2 mpg - 15 ppg, 9.7 rpg

Paul Pierce:

06/07 for Boston in 37 mpg - 25 ppg

07/08 for Boston in 35mpg when they formed the Big Three - 19.6 ppg

Chris Kaman:

08/09 with Camby and Z-Bo - 12 ppg and 8 rpg in 30mpg

09/10 half a season with Camby - 18.5 ppg and 9.3 rpg

Allen Iverson:

05/06 and 06/07 he had 30+ ppg

07/08 next to Melo he had 24 ppg

Chris Bosh:

09/10 - 24 ppg and 11rpg

10/11 - 18 ppg and 8 rpg

Did Bosh suddenly lose his rebounding skills? No! In Toronto he was playing next to Bargnani, the worst rebounding center in the league. That means more rebounds for Bosh. Now in Miami he is playing next to two of the best rebounding wings and better rebounding centers.

Assists are usually a different story though, because more talent and better finisher around you lead to more assists.

Of course there are some exceptions, but usually if a player is surrounded by more talent, he has to give up shot attempts, rebounds and usually minutes. He does that for the sake of the team, that other players can take even better shots.

I don't think that Kevin Love at the state he is right now would get 15.2 shots a game as a big man.

If Kaman returns he will probably take some shots away from Griffin. Usually from mid-range or the post, shots DeAndre Jordan doesn't take. Shots Griffin or other guys would usually take.

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More talent around you means a smaller offensive role for yourself which results in a smaller ppg, for the sake of a higher FG%.

Better rebounders around you mean less rebounds to grab.

It can also happen though, that better your rebounds might increase because your team is better defensivly, which means that they cause the other team to miss which results in more defensive rebounds if you look at a guy like Pau Gasol. That's usually not the case, but it can be.

Is that a solid explanation for you?

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Dirk Nowitzki would take way

Dirk Nowitzki would take way more shots if he would play for the Clippers and get even bigger scoring games, although his shooting percentage would probably drop.

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I get what you are saying...

I get what you are saying... But someone said that its because they have to share the ball... So are you saying that if Griffin were on the Spurs or the Mavs, he wouldnt be getting the same amount of shots he is now?? And if so, would he not be producing?? I think that if you put Griffin with the Spurs, he is better than he is now... Or if you put him with the Mavs, he is better than he is now...

Also, do you think that the Clippers would be better if Dirk or Duncan played for them as opposed to Blake??

I do get what you are saying but I dont see how that proves that Dirk or Duncan are playing better than Griffin.. I still think that Griffin is playing better... I also think that if you a good player, you will put up numbers no matter what...

And, in all of the situations you mentioned, guys were being moved to different teams and were getting older.. They had to adjust to new players or different teams.. Also, their roles changed... Ray Allen when from number 1 to number 2... Lee went from only big man to 1 of 4.. Pierce when from the only scorer on a team to 1 of 3 scorers... Bosh when from the only player on a team to the 3rd option... It is a role change.. In the situations of the PFs that we are talking about.. They are all the number 1 guys on their team.. They all take almost the same amount of shots per48... I mean yall were trying to tell me that Griffin is producing because he is doing more when its not true.. Trying to say that Dirk was doing it in less time with less shots because he has less opportunity... Not true... Personally, I would rather have Griffin than any PF in the West.. I think that he deserves it more than anyone.. Duncan and Dirk will get it because of what they have done in years past... They will get it because of their team... Griffin will get snubbed because of his age and the situation he is in.. Like I have said like 10 time in this thread, replace Dirk or Duncan with Blake and he is an All-Star and the team has close to the same record.....

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Do you think Griffin would be

Do you think Griffin would be the number 1 option on the Spurs or the Mavs? He doesn't have the offensive skills to carry a team to wins yet. He's getting by on purely athletiscm. Duncan isn't playing better then Griffin, but he isn't needed to be. Dirk however, is, he's arguably playing better then his MVP season, is that saying Griffin should be MVP?

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Yes I do.. Because if he

Yes I do.. Because if he wasnt, who would be??

I dont think that Dirk ever deserved to be MVP... Kobe was putting up huge numbers the year he won it... He only won it because his team won like 70 games that year... Then, he got beat by the Warriors... Kobe wouldnt have let a bad team beat his 70 win team....

I am saying that right now, in the current NBA, not the NBA from 5 years ago, right now, he is better than Dirk or Duncan... You all cant prove to me that he is not... He is doing it without a great PG and both of those guys have GREAT Pgs.. Baron is playing well right now but he isnt the passer that Kidd is and he isnt the threat that Parker is...

Prove to me that Dirk is by far better or that Duncan is and I will shut up... Right now, I think that Blake is the best PF in the West and the second best in the league... Amare is ahead of him and Dirk is right behind....

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If you exchange Dirk with

If you exchange Dirk with Griffin the Mavs will be a worse team. The Mavs are 7-3 when going with a deficit into the fourth quarter with Dirk, while the Clippers lose almost every game in the 4th quarter because they don't have guys who can create off the dribble. Like I already said, Dirk would take so much more shots on a bad team like the Clippers, he has a fadeaway from the high post that if contested drops like 40% of the time. Some guys on the Clipper team can't even drop a normal jumper at that percentage.

Dirk is shooting 55% from the field although most of his shots are coming off the dribble and a lot of them are contested fadeaways. A combo of Butler, Terry and Blake could never cover that duty.

Blake could also never provide the defense Timmy is providing.

Dirk and Timmy are bringing that constant good work for a decade now while Blake is bringing it for 30 games. Look what happened to Tyreke Evans when teams suddendly adjusted to his offensive game. Something similiar could easily happen to Griffin especially if he doesn't develop better range. Adding to this Dirk and Timmy have led their teams several times to the playoffs.

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That is exactly what I am

That is exactly what I am saying... Not what they have done, what they are doing now... Dirk would shoot more because he is a shooter... He isnt a banger or a rebounder.. He is a jump shooter... Blake is a banger and a rebounder.. It is like comparing Wade and Ray Allen... Wade is a "crash" type player while Allen is a shooter...

Blake has that "crash" type game while Dirk is a catch and shoot guy.. I do think that the Mavs would be fine.. Blake catches and creates either off the dribble or with a back to the basket move.. He has a decent jumper but thats not his thing... Dirk scores most of his points shooting jumpers.. He doesnt power over you or go back to the basket without shooting a fade away... They are different types of players but I think that Griffin is better just like Wade is better... Also, how do you know that the Clippers wont make the playoffs?? If they stay healthy, they can be an 8th seed.... It has happened before... And then, Blake would get all of the credit for taking "his" team to the playoffs...

Also, are you from another country or is english your second language?? If not then you have some bad grammar...

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MVP award goes to the Most

MVP award goes to the Most Valuable Player of the strongest team. For the fact I am mentioning all the time. Putting up numbers is worthless if your team is bad.

Dirk: 24.6 - 9 shooting 500/410/900 in 36mpg

Kobe: 31-5-5 shooting 463/344/860 in 41mpg

Guess how many forwards have shot 50-40-90 in the history of the game. Two: Bird and Dirk.

If you would have exchanged Dirk played less minutes and shot more effective. He also led his team to a 67win season. Dirk would have had a similiar amount of touches for that Laker team.

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68% of Griffin's shot

68% of Griffin's shot attempt's are assisted shots. whereas Nowitzki only has a 46% assisted rate, Griffin is requiring people to assist his field goals as he has little offensive skills as of yet. Blake also gets a whole bunch of his points from the rebound, whereas Dirk gets absolutely none at all. The Mavs have won 83% of close games. The Clippers only 14%. If you go Per48 of clutch situations, Griffin scores 18 points while Nowitzki gets 50.

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So you are just proving my

So you are just proving my point that Kobe was playing better.... I dont get it... You are getting away from the point... I do not think that Dirk is deserving of the MVP award just like I dont think that Blake is.. This forum is about this year.. Not 2005....

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So Blake gets assisted 68% of

So Blake gets assisted 68% of his shots on a team where the guards are all "shoot first" guards?? That means that he would only be better on a team where the guards look to pass the ball... That also shows that with the Clippers, Dirk would not be as effective because he wouldnt be getting points off the glass and wouldnt be getting assisted... Dirk scores more off the dribble but he cant be doubled hard because of all the shooters that the Mavs have around him... The guy that you want to double are the guys that have to take dribbles before they shoot... He cant be doubled because when he gets doubled, he kicks the ball to a three point shooter... What would he do in LA??? Throw it to Gordon every time he is doubled?? He would struggle to score like he is while Blake would have an easier time scoring because he couldnt be doubled because of all the shooters....

Put him with Kidd and the shooters that the Mavs have and he is a better player... Put Dirk with the Clippers, he is the same player with more shots...

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English is my third language,

English is my third language, just tell me if there is something you don't understand and I'll try to explain it in a different way.

How am I proving that Kobe was better? Kobe's numbers were that high because he took a lot more shots and played longer minutes.

Like I already said and what BigD repeated. Dirk is a lot better in the 4th quarter, because he can create. That's a skill that the Clippers didn't have. It is a lot harder to score off the dribble with jumpers than the way Griffin does. You need someone who can create like that on a team.

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Nowitzki scores 50 per48 in

Nowitzki scores 50 per48 in clutch situations with the Mavs winning 83% of clutch games. Griffin is only 14% victory rate with Griffin only getting 18 points. Griffin is only a rookie, so i wouldnt expect much better, but this is on massive reason why he isnt better then Dirk, he can't LEAD his team to wins when in the clutch. If Griffin needs 68% off his shots assisted from alley oops or pick and rolls, how would he get that with all the other scorers the Mavs have? He wouldn't get as many opportunities. And as for the Clippers not having shooters? Eric Gordon, Baron Davis, Aminu, Bledsoe, Foye and Gomes are all very capable 3pt shooters.

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I love Blake Griffin just as

I love Blake Griffin just as much as the next guy....but my problem with his team sucking isnt that its easier for him, but that he isnt on that Dirk level yet because he isnt good enough to carry his team to victories. I know they have been hot of late, but i just think being one of bottom 3 teams in the west shows that Blake is human, and is still young, and isnt quite a dominator yet. I think he will make 10X all star games but right now, i just dont see how guys like Dirk and Gasol who are winning games and competing in the west take a backseat to this kid, AT THIS POINT. surely, he will be AMAZING barring any further injuries.

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Wow.. Baron is not a

Wow.. Baron is not a shooter... Foye has been out all year.. Bledsoe was a shooter in college but not i the NBA.. and Gomes is a joke...

I will give you that Dirk can lead a team to wins in the fourth but I still think that Blake is better... He is doing to same thing that Dirk is doing with less moves on offense and no help... I think that Griffin is an All-Star this year... AND, I would rather have him than any PF in the West... However, Dirk is the better leader and is a better scorer...

@CHris I am very impressed with your third language then!!! I can completly understand everything you are saying its just a little out of place some times... Its really good though!!

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I actually expected to

I actually expected to Clippers to be 8th-10th in the west, because I thought that Griffin and Gordon would play great and Jordan would finally step up. Sadly Baron Davis is a lazy loser and kinda ruined the start for them.

Fact:

Griffin is a great player. If he stays healthy he will be even greater.

But until he hasn't proven himself on a good team and actually reached something, for instance playing 50 NBA games for a start than he might be in the discussion.

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ChrisChi is spot on. Griffin

ChrisChi is spot on. Griffin is great. But he isnt going to be an all star because he hasnt PROVED anything yet. And thats left for you to interpret if thats fair, or not.

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So are you saying that until

So are you saying that until you make the playoffs and accomplish something, you arent a good plyaer?? If that is so, T-Mac was not a good player... Just saying...'

I think that he deserves to be an All-Star over Love and you all have convinced me that he should be behind Duncan and Dirk but I would rather have him on my team... I think that he should be the second PF while Gasol and Duncan are the Centers...

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Deadly- woah woah

Deadly- woah woah woah....Griffin deserves it over Love, no doubt about it. Im talking about winners like Dirk and Gasol. I see the west team being, essentially:

Cp3, Kobe, Durant, Melo, and sadly Bynum starting.

So now theres only 7 guys....Williams, Dirk and Gasol are absolute locks.

Then you have Westbrook, who really has to make it, now you are down to 3 spots. Duncan and Ginobli will both make it, in my opinion, whether deserving or not. San Antonio has been awesome this year, and i believe they deserve some recognition for that. The last spot will come down to, either, Ellis, Griffin, Love, Gay, Millsap, Aldridge, Z Bo, or West. Which i would put my money on Aldridge making it.

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Actually those NBA TV

Actually those NBA TV analysts have said that they would pick Love over Griffin which I totally disagree with. Griffin has looked simply more dominant.

T-Mac is a different story. He would have reached more if healthy. He was injured and his career was ruined. Happens..

What bugs me is that you say that someone who played 36 games with a 12-24 record is better than a proven Hall of Famer who is still on his A-Game and led his team to 11 50+ win seasons in a row. Like I already said, look at what happened to Tyreke Evans. He was scoring in a one dimensional way also and defenders are punishing him for that this season. So until Blake Griffin hasn't proven himself for a longer period of time he is not on the same level as Gasol and Dirk. Because there were a bunch of players who put up great numbers on sucky teams, where the whole offense was run through them. Andray Blatche avaraged 18-9 when the Wiz ran their offense through him. Means nothing.

This is similiar to last season where people put Jennings and Curry in the top 10 PG list over veterans like Billups Nash.

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As far as excitment i'd pick

As far as excitment i'd pick Blake over Lover but as far as looking more dominate thats not true. Looking more dominate would be Blake dropping much more points getting many more rebounds while blocking more shots and playing much better defense. He does play better defense but they score around the same and Love rebounds better while neither is a shot blocker. Both of there teams are lotto teams so neither is really dominating or they would be winning more

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Kevin Love

Kevin Love is a better power forward than griffin.$

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LAC didn't have a great start

LAC didn't have a great start to the season. Davis came in out of shape and injured. Kaman got injured early. They were also trying to integrate a few new players and had three rookies in their starting lineup. However, since starting 1-13, they've gone .500. This team is getting better and on both sides of the ball, and Griffin is the main reason. He makes his teammates better. Not just with his ability to make great decisions and pass out of the double/triple teams, but also with his energy.

IF you watch both players, it's not even close who's better. People try to throw out that "Griffin is just more exciting" crap, but other than shooting, Griffin is just as skilled as Love. Griffin is the better player, and he's not done getting better. He seems to get better every single game.

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