I heard an interesting idea today. Why not trade Derrick Williams for Evan Turner straight up? They both are bad fits in their current situations, and would really benefit trading places.
The Sixers would get a future beast at the PF (he's not a SF) that could already give Brand a run for his money.
The Wolves would clear up their logjam at SF/PF a bit and get a true #2 who would fit really well with their team.
The salaries match, seeing as they're both #2 overall picks. I know the odds of this happening are like zero, but I thought it was a good idea. Thoughts?
I don't like Turner in Minny. He is better player when he gets to handle the rock and that is not going to happen with Rubio running the show.
I would move Turner for a big man who is a minimum of 6'10". Would love a seven footer.
No way the Sixers already got Thad and Turner wouldn't be a great fit in Minny anymore now that Rubio is there Turner is great with the ball in his hands and is not good at playing the spot up shooter role at all.
The Wolves and Sixers should make a trade tho. They should trade Beasley for Iggy so Turner would go from bad fit to best player on team.
Beasley for Iggy? A wack job for an All Star?
Williams isn't a bad fit. He's a young player that needs a summer and training camp to adjust to the NBA.
Yes Iggy for Beasley. An overrated overpaid player who chokes in the clutch, insists that he's a jump shooter instead of slashing, and only made the All Star team by default because Philly had to have one player represent them. I'll trade that player all day for a 6'9 athletic and strong forward who has an inside outside game, can hit shots in the clutch, can give you 20 points on any given night and will go off for 30 and 40 point games occassionally who is still only 22 BTW.
Did you watch the game tonight APB, did you see the last few games, the Sixers are capitalizing on continuity and strong defense plus the fact we played so many games at home early in the season. We are starting to get exposed for the middle of the pack playoff team we really are. And you know I'm a die hard Sixer fan who would rather see the Sixers win the championship before the Eagles and Phillies win in the same year but this teams needs to make moves.
A starting 5 of Holiday, Turner, Beasley, Young and Vucevic should be the aim moving forward that gives the team so much hope for the future.
I'm always astonished to see how underrated some players are : deng was in that case but now, with all his teammates talking about how usefull he is, he is more respected. I don't know why people are always talking about how disappointing iguodala is.... maybe you all thought iguodala would become one day a franchise player ?
For the 6th straight year iguodala is averaging between 5 and 6 reb pg AND between 5 and 6 ass pg, a little less than 2 st pg, less than 2 fpg and around 2 to pg. He's a great defensive general on the floor and seems to be a great teammate too.... I'd love to play next to a "do it all" machine like that.
So he's not scoring as you think he should.... 14 ppg last year and 12 this year..... but he's not forcing and his team wins whereas some other players manage to find their role on this team. Maybe he's a little bit overpaid for that kind of scoring (13.5 this year and 14.7 15.9 the next two) but this is not a disgrace when you think of his production and how the team his effective.
I would NEVER trade iguodala for beasley....
beasley has never produced in a WINNING TEAM. That's a huge difference. And I don't think he's able to do : just look how he struggles this year whereas for the first time in years his team wins some games.... and whereas he doesn't manage to produce next to a point guard like rubio. He should score more than 20 ppg and not on the bench...
Most of Philly is just tired of Iggy. It's not because he isn't a great player because he is. He may be the best on ball defender in the league, and he's the 2nd best passing forward behind James. He's nothing less then a great all around player but his time in Philly has ran it's course. He keeps us respectable but will never put us over the hump. And as long as he's on our team we will never be able to develop that player that possibly could. Plus he plays his role great until the crunch time when he turns into Kobe and starts chucking up stepback jumpers that clank off the rim as we watch the Sixers inch closer to defeat with every shot he takes.
And you are wrong about Mike Beasley. Look at his bio. He turned around Kansas State whole program. And for the Miami Heat he was their 2nd best player. On his 2nd year with the Heat they finished with a winning record and like a 7th seed while Beasley lead the team in both games played and minutes totalled. Beasley also was the 2nd leading scorer on that team behind Wade and the 2nd leading rebounder behind Haslem.
Beasley has a very strong work ethic and wants to win. In fact last year was the only time Beasley played on a losing team. And remenber the Heat's plan was to keep Beasley at all cost until Bosh said he was signing and so they traded him for basically Lebron James because thats what his contract off the books opened up. But if they couldn't do that Riley's was going to build the team around Wade and Beasley.
Somewhere a long the lines this myth about Beasley not being a winning player came around despite his resume saying the exact opposite. As does his game. He lost weight and gained speed to make the transition to SF because his rookie year he was playing PF and was buff. Last year he was the go to guy down the stretch for the Wolves and due to injury and a new coach he's been coming off the bench but notice you haven't heard him complain because the team is winning more now.
I'll never forget his quote when he first got to Minny and they asked him how it felt being traded from sunny South Beach to the cold wilderness of Minny, and Beasley replied "It's gonna feel the same as always, all I need is a car, a road, a gym, and a basketball, and I'm in heaven, that's what I live for so it don't matter what city I'm in as long as I'm playing basketball."
I think iguodala should be more respected as a "big brother" on this young philly team. With brand and nocioni off the book (if brand is amnestied) next year philly could bring 1 or 2 good players and be very competitive. He won't change his game and develop a FP talent but he is a very usefull player.
For beasley.... I think he's vey talented (I'm not blind) and can score on anybody on this league. But I watched the 10 first games of the season of the wolves (to watch rubio in the nba) and I was very disappointed by his game. He had a starting job and underperformed : wasn't able to bring something with a coach like adelman who took the best out of artest.... He always can score but he seems lost on the court trying to do things he doesn't know and forcing things. He's maybe a hard worker, trying to do the best and a passionate player (I think he is).... that's not the issue with him.
The issue with him is about mental (steadiness) and understanding of the game (what is his role, what he has to do and NOT to do, collective game).
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I don't like these trades though, I would however love to see us get Beasley using Lou Williams and Spencer Hawes as bait...I don't agree with the idea that Iggy is in Turner's way of becoming a great player, I believe Williams is in the way...sure Jodie Meeks is starting at SG and we are grooming Turner slowly but Lou is really the reason Turner gets buried on the book, Meeks would be a fine bench shooter, but Lou has to go to allow Turner to grow...Iggy must not be traded, but I'm all for trying to surround him with a Beasley type at Pf
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Meeks should be the back up shooter behind turner, iguodala as a starting sf and young as a starting pf (à la jamison), allen (and brand if not amnestied) as back up. Hawes and vucevic are great at the center position. Lou williams should be traded (till he got some value against a back up pg or sf) to let turner get some PT and develop.
What I love in this roster is the players can all play 2 different positions. It gives collins some flexibility to adapt his strategy from a game to another.
@JYD, yeah Beasley were in fact terrible at the start of thes season, but I'm almost sure that was because of injury. Even his shots weren't falling and if Beasley can always do one thing thats make an open jumper. But if you put Beasley with the right coach, Doug Collins, he can become an All Star calibur player. Look at what Collins has gotten out of an old decrepeted Elton Brand, and the defense he has gotten Hawes to play. The Sixers have the leagues most efficient defense despite not even having any legitimate big men defenders.
Mike Beasley got more then enough talent to become a good defender, not a lock down guy, but something like Thad is now who just uses his athleticism and length to pest opposing forwards. And Beasley on the Sixers would get a ton of efficient shots he wouldn't have to iso for his points.
Value wise I think this trade would be a no brainer for both sides, because a healthy Beasly playing under Doug Collins could potentially average 17-19ppg while shooting a high %. Collins would also teach Beasley how to rebound again. Basically production wise I'm thinking a Rudy Gay type player and considering Beasley's massive talent that's not realy far fetched.
I think you're probably excactly right about Lou holding Turner back. Lou is a gunner but when he's on he's single handed one us ball games. I like Lou's speak off the bench and his 4th quarter play. But he might have to get traded too. The Sixers core right now should be Holiday, Turner, Thad, and Vooch and they need to make whatever they need to make happen to see that these guys develop to the level they should.
Brining Turner in as the 9th man off the bench on most nights is just crazy. Taking him out of games after 5 minutes and 3 straights buckets is crazy. They are gonna miss the window on him. You can't groom a player too long on the bench because after awhile they become complacent and never achieve the potential they could have once filled. Turner can still get there but they need to start playing him now. You can already see him getting frustrated every time he's taken out of a game. They can't just let him waste away on the bench when he's capable of so much. Look at the Jeremy Lin lesson. If you let a player play through their mistakes you may reward huge benefits. Not all players can do it, but Turner was drafted 2nd because his BB IQ and resilience are so strong that he can. But not being the 4th guy off the bench.
And Iggy is starting to wear thin on me. He controls the ball too much when he's in. That was the whole glory of drafting Turner is that he's so good with the ball and he is he just never get's it.
Lou in Minny is a terrible fit. They have 3 points and one in particular, Barrea, who's similar to Lou.
The 76ers are playing good team basketball... Beasley is incapable of playing good team basketball. It's not a coincidence that the Wolves played their best basketball when Beasley went down.
Beasley can play basketball.. but he's more of a "playground ballstopper" player. If the Wolves Could get Hawes and Lou Williams for Beasley they wouldn't even think twice it would be a done deal. If the Wolves could get Iguodala they'd start printing playoff tickets and the media would say that the 76ers were in rebuilding mode.
As a Wolves fan I'd Love it if the Wolves could get something of value for Beasley... the best they probably get is capspace/ relief and maybe a couple 2nd rd picks.
Lou Williams would be a better fit than Beasley. As long as a player has trade value he's going to be more valuable to a team than Beasley. The fact is that Williams competes and adds to a winning team and Beasley thinks he's a star which he is not unless he's on the K-State campus.
Beasley has only played in half of the Timberwolves games this year, averaging 30.6 minutes per game. It is a reasonable sample, which is why the most telling stat to explain his performance this year is his minus-10 difference in offensive to defensive rating. Even worse than the overall number, Beasley's PER this year at small forward is a historically terrible 3.2, while giving up a 16.6 to opponents.
agree with the imp....
moreover his presence breaks the Twolves roster organization : williams loses some playing time and self confidence, johnson has to play as a sg whereas he should be a great sf defensive back up for williams.
I think the wolves will struggle to get something in return (: a sg à la mayo....) but you have to wonder why beasley, with all his talent and skills, is almost impossible to trade against something more than just some 2nd round draft picks, cash, hot dogs, dedicated jerseys of david khannnnnn ???
No team in the West (Memphis/Houston) is going to deal the Wolves a shooting guard when they only lead the Wolves by a couple of game in the standings. It would have to come from a non-playoff team or the Eastern conf..
yes but I have been thinking of this switch for a lonnnng time (before minny discovers the joy of being competitive).
memphis (mayo) or houston (lee, williams), denver (afflalo...), utah (burks...)surely won't deal with minny
If the 76ers maybe want to try and move Iggy then they could consider dangling him to a lottery team in order to get a high pick to try and add a good young big.
I wonder if Cleveland would consider Iggy for Jamieson and their first rounder? - This way the Cavs get an All Star and a great role player to help a young team develop, with a core of Irving, Iggy, Thompson and Varejao then Clevland have 80% of a solid starting line up and Iggy can surely get them above .500 sooner rather than later.
Philly get draft options and cap space plus Turner can finally start.
19134, When will you stop drastically overrating Evan Turner? He's averaging 7.5 PPG, 4.4 RPG, and 2.2 APG for his career. his PER is 13. The guy doesn't ball. Enough with this bias overhyping.