[jjonzParticipant]

I mean Elite 19-25ppg PF. When this type of production comes from the post with PF’s under 6’10 i have not found 1 ChampionShip in the last 20-30yrs. This does not Bode well for my Bulls title prediction early.  All of the Title contenders have PF’s 6’10" or taller Spurs/Lakers/Heat/Celtics except for the Bulls & Magic. The Bulls have what Piston had when they won a few years ago, a 6’10" monster on defense. Maybe this is enough to offset a 6’9 PF. I think if you have Size on your team along with 6’9PF you can compensate for lack of height on the block. Thats why Bulls did not deal Asik to Rockets (BTW Asik plays great D for the Bulls, I believe they give up 7ppg less when he is in the game/he rebounds defends & scores. And he graduated from Vlade Divac school of Flopping).

[bobbybParticipant]

The last time i checked a spurs boxscore dejuan blair was the starting PF and he is 6’8” at the max with all the tricks.

[delfamParticipant]

 ^ he hasn’t won a title though

[butidonthavemoney]

The Spurs haven’t won a championship with DeJuan Blair… Yet… Plus he’s not a 19-25 point per game scorer.

By the way, teams with point guards who score 19-30 points per game haven’t won any championships in the last 20-30 years either.

So according to your logic, the Bulls need to lose Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. Then they’ll have a chance at a ring. Right?

[goneParticipant]

Wasn’t rodman like 6’8 but then again he didn’t score 19-25pts

[OhCanada-Participant]

Yah you guy can blame Jordan, Duncan, and Kobe for all that. Also their arent that many 6’9 and under PF’s too score 19-25-ppg in a serson.

[goneParticipant]

Well since were here I’d like to also throw out a couple facts…..
1. A team with a 6’4 center has never won a championship
2. Anthony Randolph has never been mentioned without his potential
3. A short giant is a normal person
4. a tall midget is also a normal person

[JoeWolf1]

 Guess what? It took 34 years for a 6’9” point guard to win a championship, and I don’t think Magic or the Lakers gave a crap about that stat.

Don’t over analyze.

[jjonzParticipant]

current 6’9 PF’s

That have avg 19+ppg @ least once in their careers

DLee/CBoozer/ZRandolph/DWest/KLove/BGriffin & with @ least 3 PF’s being drafted in this next draft that are 6’9 i was just wondering how can you win with a 6’9 PF. It just seems that Bosh/Garnett/Gasol/AJeff & players that are built like that 6’10 & up PF give other players fit. I remember watching Jazz/Lakers & Hubie Brown was talking about Boozer having trouble with Length of the Lakers

& the greatest 6’9 PF Karl Malone avg 25/10 rebs/4assts for his career.

My Logic says that it can happen, you just need solid production from other post players who are taller than 6’9". History does not lie. Never said anything about getting rid of Rose & Boozer. I compared them to the Pistons who had 6’10 Sheed & 6’9 or 6’6 BWallace, they say his afro was 3 inches tall so he was really 6’6.  

[The lake show2]

It has nothing to do with height. Its one of those things like " no title contender has ever had a guy with a wingspan lower then 7’4" or " no title team has ever had a starting point guard who was a allstar but averaged less than 12 points a game"

[ChrischiParticipant]

This stat is kind of interesting because we really have a lot of 6’9 PFs who produce big-time 20-10 numbers and get All-Star selections for that, but which don’t translate into wins. Mostly because they suck on defense.

The Bulls on the other hand are a top3 defensive team. The only struggle they will face with Boozer will be Garnett and Pau Gasol. Garnett is still one of the best defenders on his position and we don’t have many PFs who are good on defense and offense at the same time. Pau Gasol on the other hand is very tough to defend, but the Bulls will have to make it to the Finals first. We’ll see…

[butidonthavemoney]

"My Logic says that it can happen, you just need solid production from other post players who are taller than 6’9". History does not lie. Never said anything about getting rid of Rose & Boozer. I compared them to the Pistons who had 6’10 Sheed & 6’9 or 6’6 BWallace, they say his afro was 3 inches tall so he was really 6’6."

Fair enough, but what do you make of that point guard stat? Teams with high-scoring (19 or more points per game) point guards haven’t won a championship in 23 years.

If you can write that stat off, then you could probably write off this power forward stat as well.

[The lake show2]

Zeke was a high scoring point guard and the Pistons won

[butidonthavemoney]

He didn’t average over 19 points a game on his championship teams.

Source 1

Source 2

[The lake show2]

wasn’t it 88 the year he won it?

[The lake show2]

He averaged 18 the first year and 20 the next. Both are pretty high scoring averages for a point guard. And was the leading scorer on the team in the playoffs both years

[butidonthavemoney]

He averaged 18 the first year, and 18 the second. I put my sources up above.

Only two point guards in the post ABA era (1976) have won championships in the same season he averaged more than 19 points per game, and they did it in the same seasons (teammates Byron Scott and Magic Johnson).

[The lake show2]

Which makes this arguement worthless because all people are gonna do is make a cut off at a certain point. Zeke averaged 18 so someone says " no one has ever averaged 19". The fact is he was still the leading scorer on the team and a high scoring point guard.

 

And 89-90 he averaged 20ppg in the playoffs. You’re looking at what he averaged in the regular season or you’re sources are wrong

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais01.html

[butidonthavemoney]

I didn’t say playoff stats.

The original poster is who said 19 points.

I was never making a point that high scoring point guards have a lesser chance at winning a championship. I was making an argument that if you say shorter power forwards haven’t been successful, you can’t ignore how high scoring point guards have performed.

Before you start an argument, read the earlier posts.

[jjonzParticipant]

It has nothing to do with height. Its one of those things like " no title contender has ever had a guy with a wingspan lower then 7’4" or " no title team has ever had a starting point guard who was a allstar but averaged less than 12 points a game"

 

How is this Valid when teams look for height, Hell the Knicks are trying to sign Earl Barron. The Magic will not make the Con Finals because of a lack of Height. When going deep into the playoffs i have not seen a 6’9 PF as the main offensive weapon on a team Jazz/Boozer Lost to Lakers for Years. Malone Never won.

I think height is Very Important.If it was’nt important the Thunder would have Kept 6’9 Jeff Green/Instead of inserting 6’10 Ibaka. Now they signed 2 6’10 & taller Bigs just for the Length that the lakers have. But according to your Logic the Thunder should have kept a 6’9 undersized PF.

[jjonzParticipant]

Fair enough, but what do you make of that point guard stat? Teams with high-scoring (19 or more points per game) point guards haven’t won a championship in 23 years.

If you can write that stat off, then you could probably write off this power forward stat as well.

 Hey i guess i just over-analyze this too much. But this is a great time for a High Scoring PG to lead a Team to a Chip becuase of the wide open play, with Hand-Check Rule.

 

[The lake show2]

The thunder Got perkins because he’s a very good defender. If he was tall and not a good defender they wouldnt have traded for him. If been wallace was still young they would have traded Green for him even though he’s only 6’7

[The lake show2]

Also People don’t realize Tim Duncan is only 6’10. He has won a title being a center at 6’10 not & feet. Height matters if you are good and taller then the guy but not just because you happen to be taller, if that was the case Mark Eaton, Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley would be considered better than 6’10 Duncan  6’10 the dream and 6’5 Barkley.

 

And Barkley didnt win because of Micheal Jordan

[cycloParticipant]

If the Lakers face the Spurs in the West playoffs, the Spurs are toast.

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