5 worst teams next season
bobcats-mkg will help, but its gonna be a long process for the cats
hawks-just dumped johnson and marvin williams and let hinrich walk to get the ball rolling on the rebuilding phase. Josh smith will finally get to play with free reign and im guessing the results will be ugly.
hornets-nice summer so far by keeping gordon and drafting a future star in davis. But just little depth at this point.
cavaliers-waiters didnt look impressive in summer league and this team is still looking to fill quality starters around irving
rockets-love what the 4 rookies have been doing in summer league with montijunas, white, jones and lamb all looking like quality young pieces to build around. But thats a young core and this team doesnt have much going for it in terms of interior play where scola was let go.
***you could easily throw the wizards on here but i actually think the way overpriced front line of nene, okafor and ariza will actually add enough toughness to go along with a quick backcourt to keep this team more competitive then the 5 listed above.***
you can also assume orlando will be in the mix if they dump dwight for building pieces.
how about toronto?
you can add toronto to the mix. BUt we have to narrow it down to 5 so just throwing out every sub par team would be pointless. Do you think toronto will be worse then the 5 i mentioned? If so which one. Lowry will help some. valaunciunas and ross can probably contirbute right away. But yeah, they will be pretty bad as well.
i think the rockets will be better than toronto
I actually think the Cavs, Wiz, & even Hornets have potental to be good teams.
If Eric Gordan emerges as a star and AD has a great season... Anderson strokes that long ball. Thats a borderline playoff team.
Toronto will be bad.
Bobcats will be bad.
I think the Bucks will be bad.
Orlando will be bad.
& the Rockets will probably also be down.
I'm not surprised nobody said the Kings, if they can get some decent chemistry going with their new pieces and everybody stays in their roles I could see them being a darkhorse to make the playoffs next year. As a Kings fan that's got me stoked (: Plus getting rid of guys that don't try hard like Donte Greene and Hassan Whiteside will be a plus for them too, only the most dedicated will throw on that purple jersey next season.
Adding Aaron Brooks should help things out as well.
How will Bucks be bad. They have a solid back court and a lot of big long bodies in the front court. If they stay healthy, they could make the playoffs . Same thing about the Wizards. If they are healthy and play like they did at the end of the season with Nene, they could make the playoffs. I think ATL might be worst than both Bucks and Wizards.
Houston has overachieved when they had less talent so I think they may be slightly out of the top 5. I would put
Toronto should be better than last year because of their size and Lowry ability to penetrate.
Houston will play with energy and without expectations. I think that makes them dangerous.
If they make a Deal that sends Andre Iguadola away for some young Pf(D. Williams, D. Favors or other) then they will start the long and painful process of allowing Jrue Holiday or Evan Turner " be the MAN "
If they trade away Iguadola for another young player and Cap space, then I think they'll get a Top 5 Pick
The Lineup is super young with or without Iggy and they've just cut ties with Elton Brand and Lou Williams, they also have a ton of new players like Nick Young and Dorrel Wright(who have been known to like their 3 point attempts) and Kwame Brown, yes Kwame Brown...We also added 2 rookies in Mo Harkless and Arnett Moultrie, and we still don;t have a backup Pg(although Turner could play Pg as well as Iggy if he's kept past the deadline)
As a true 76ers fan I am exited for the future, we have a ton of young talent and Cap space coming up, And If we add a Top 5 Pick in 2013 (if we suck trying to develop the young core and trade Iggy) Then so be It, we could find that # 1 scorer or Franchise Bigman, we'll have Cap space as well...
Toronto will surprise people as they now have a balanced roster with a direction so I don't think there going to be bad, Houston is a roster that's in complete disorder, the only vet on there team Kevin Martin wants out BAD
27. Orlando (Assuming Howard is not there)
26 Sacramento / Clevaland / Wahington - hard to say which one.
Don't know why a few guys put Toronto in there. They were not in the 5 worst this season and they are going to be way better next season. Will have lots of size and tough defence. Teams have made the playoffs with less.
I loathe to make such a prediction at such a point. The only team that I see that is a lock for bottom 5 is the Bobcats. That's not to say they don't improve a lot with the additions of the new coach Dunlap, MKG, Jeffrey Taylor, Ben Gordon, and Brendan Haywood, but I don't see them somehow getting out of the bottom 5 next year.
Personally I think it's nuts to believe the Houston Rockets will be in the bottom 5. Considering the pieces they've lost : Lowry, Dragic, Scola, Lee, and Budinger and comparing that to what they've gained : Lin, Motiejunas, Lamb, White, and Jones the only thing they didn't at least stay close to even is at point guard. Lin in my opinion will likely do as well as Lowry or Dragic did in a Rockets uniform, but to lose two starting caliber point guards and to only replace it with one...only way your team fairs better is if you've got a Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Tony Parker...type of point guard which at this point Jeremy Lin is not.
4 of those new players you mentioned are rookies. Look great in Summer league, and will do fine in three or four years. Lin has played how many NBA games so far? Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic place to start.
And being almost as good as a team that has not made the playoffs for several years should not really be your end game anyway.
Toronto, Charlotte, Washington, Cleveland,. Phoenix
I'm surprised at anybody leaving atl out of the bottom 5, they r trying to go for that #1 pick
To me Atlanta is a bit of a wild card right now. Still have Josh Smith and Al Horford. They are definatley on the way out, but how far down do they go right away. Could be a team fighting for 8th or 9th in the conference/ could be a very terrible team. Are they done dismantling for now? What happens at the trade deadline?
I could see them at the bottom, but they will have a little more control than some of the other teams as to how bad they will end up.
^I agree with all of those except Houston. Houston is my darkhorse this year(as a playoff team that is), Lin is a slightly above average player but in the right system he will put up identical stats to those he put up during Linsanity, and McHale's system is a very nice one for Lin, with the exception of Martin and maybe Lamb or Montie, he's gonna be expected to put up points, but I love the young pieces Houston has, and I really think they can pose as a tough out in the first round, but a 7th or 8th seed that goes out in 5 in the first round is my prediction for them, assuming they stay as constructed.
Houston has a great Summer League team. That's about as far as it goes.
have you lost your mind Atlanta should have a higher win % than last year, they lose Johnson/Hinrich and get Horford healthy, Lou Williams, Korver, Morrow, Devin Harris
They will definately not be better than last season. Plus the conference as a whole has gotten stronger. Does Josh Smith still want out? - trade dealine fodder. I would love them to keep Horford long term, but he is their most valuable asset that could be turned into a strong future. Remember, building from the middle is very hard. Starting from scratch may be the better option here.
Right now I see them coming dagerously close to Bucks country. How many years would you want to spend either barely making the 8th seed, or staying 3 or 4 games out of it?
Break it down at some point this year or next. The Cavs and Raptors have not been the funnest teams to watch since being Lebronned a couple of seasons ago, but they are doing it the right way and are coming along very well.
Ok Marvin Williams too, personnel wise they might be slightly worse but Horford barely played like I said so they should do better on the court
^The problem is Horford isn't ready to score 20 ppg. They won't be a bottom 5, but they won't win more than 35-40 games.
Lou Williams scores more points a minute than Johnson dont bury yourself
Morrow scores more than M Williams
Korver scores more than Hinrich
plus Joe Johnson was their worst defender, I will win this thread easily
Huge Hawk fan here.... JJ actually not a bad defender, not great but not bad.
Lol at Johnson was worst defender, he's actually a very good defender its one of his stregths. And u can't just say these guys score more so they r better. What do morrow, korver lou will do besides score? Horford is good , but he is not a big difference maker. U think they r better then last year? Yeah u win this thread if they do that big time. Good luck in that.
Anyone who thinks Toronto will be bottom five at this point is nuts, or doesn't understand the game. They could have injuries and such that ruins the season, but at this point they have two lottery picks coming in, one who was tearing it up last year for his national team, and will have Bargnani heathly, and have definatly improved at the point guard spot. This will also be the first full season for Ed Davis and the first time he has been able to take part in a training camp, so I expect a real improvement on his part this year.
I see either Toronto or Detroit or both in the fight for the 8th seed. Right now I'm putting TO in a slight lead since Valenciunas will be miles ahead of Drummond as far as developement is concerned.
You're argument is flawed. Your're assuming that both rosters are equal in talent and the skill difference of Drummond and Valanciunas is enough to give Toronto the edge over Detroit. I disagree. You said that Valanciunas is more developed than Drummond, I'll give you that. But I can just as easily say that Greg Monroe is ahead of Valanciunas and that Knight + Stuckey is greater than Kyle Lowry and Derozan/Ross. Not to mention Drummond could surprise us later on in the season he is by all accounts a willing learner and is being brought along quickly.
My argument is good enough to get me +3 while yours gets you a -1 so far...lol
Fair enough. As I said I really think both of these teams are fairly even right now and both have a serious shot at a playoff spot. To argue which is really better would be a waste of time.
As a TO fan I will always be biased toward them. But they do have a very strong defensive team going into this season.
And as far as Valenciunas is concerned, he has the potential to slide right into both TO's defence and offence without difficulty. Drummond is much more likely to have more off days, and more negative effects on his team mates as he developes. Don't tell me this could not translate into wins and losses on a small scale. And one or two wins difference might be what we are looking at here.
I don't post for points I post to get my opinion across and whether or not people agree with my opinion is up to them. I try not to care what people think but at the same time I stay mindful not to post outwardly thoughtless or idiotic stuff so the system does its job in my case. But I digress Dumars said it himself that he doesn't expect much from Drummond early on and instead places his expectations on the Veterans to carry us into the post season.
Im siding with Zeke on this one...Det is definetly better than Toronto. because they have better starting lineup and o see them making one trade that gets them even higher in the playoffs..
Id take Drummond and Monroe over Valuncias and Barghani every day of the week and twice on sunday. People are underestimating Drummond. Hes incredibly raw offensively right now but hes already a beast on defense. He dominated Enes Kanter and was stastistically the best post defender in the draft.
Knight is a gym rat and has gained 8 pounds of muscle. Lowry is a hell of a player though so ill say Stuckey and Knight= Lowry and Derozan. Tayshaun at 3 is better than Fields/Ross at this stage but neither are gonna be big difference makers.
The benches are a wash. People are forgetting the pistons finished the season 21-21 over the last 42 games.
Willie Green, TMac, Pargo, Stackhouse all those trash players were getting minutes, Marvin is a good player he won't really be replaced but Harris, Morrow, Korver, are a big upgrade over those 4 players who have no business being in the NBA. The biggest reason they are better or at the worst still a playoff team is because now they have 9 solid players where last year they only had 6 once Horford got hurt plus they have two rookies who have an outside chance of contributing.
Don't know anything about Toronto's rookies really but they lost Johnson and can't really play Lowry and calderon together much they will need a lot from their rookies to be decent
Valenciunas at centre will be farther ahead than most rookies. How many other rookies other than Anthony Davis have more improtant things to do than play crappy NBA summer league.
Johnson is definately not a huge loss. Landry Fields will be a much better fit at the three, plus they still have Kleiza.
Bargnani was off the charts last year before he got hurt and it was not an injury that should linger.
Ross will back up Derozan at the 2 so not too much preasure there for the rookie.
This team is loaded with long athletic defenders at every position. When they re-sign Aaron Gray they will have three 7 footers that could theoretically all be on the floor at once.
This is a deep team now, who can play some D
Cavs - Outside of Irving what do they have? Waiters? I hate to be biased on him so early in his career but he has all the makings of a huge dissapointment and horrible fit there. Zeller? Eh. Thompson and Varejao? Eh. They really don't have anything special even in the making imo. They need to get Bynum. If they do I give them a chance to be a 7 or 8 seed.
Hornets - Oh god they will be awful. It will take Davis longer than people think imo to really get going. He's still very young and physically immature. He won't be a star right away . Not even KD or LeBron saved their franchises that fast . Gordon is good but not a savior either. Who is their PG? Don't tell me Rivers cause I highly doubt he will convert to PG well at all. He's always been a long range volume shooter with shotty ball handling. Oj Mayo. And he may not even be that good. They don't have a single center. Andersen could possibly see a decline without Dwight there to take attention away from him and Aminu has always underwhelmed.
Kings - No other team in the NBA has more misplaced talent. Tyreke? Talent. Thomas? Talent. Robinson? Talent. Cousins? Talent. But what do they all have in common? CLANK. I feel sorry for rims everywhere next year. And they have 0 floor spacing and they reak of inefficiency . And defenisvely they already sucked and didn't really get better.
Bobcats - Obviously, they will be able to defend very well with Henderson, Biyombo, Haywood, MKG, Taylor and Sessions but who can score? MKG in the open floor sure, but NBA defenses will force him to play from the perimeter at some point or another. Gordon is a shadow of himself and Sessions isn't an awesome scorer either. I won't be shocked if they lose games and hold their opponents under 90 points
Suns - Bare with me. Gortat is good, Dragic is good. Thats it. Beasley has always been a volume scorer with no defense, they lack an above average PF (Morris is getting there, but not yet and Scola is on a decline and his defense isn't helping anyone), they don't have a good SG or SF to speak of that ca be called a legit starter. Marshall at best is a decent PG and he won't be there yet. They are in trouble this season
Why is everyone looking at the Raptors as bad? Lowry and Calderon at PG is legit, Ross and DeRozan both will be able to score very well , Fields is a decent player who was very good until Melo got to NY, Bargs even though he can't do anything but score is atleast good at that, Jonas looks legit, they have an awesome coach, last year they were already a very good defensive team and only upgraded. They will be in the playoff hunt espically with the Magic and Hawks likely falling off.
I left the Magic off cause I'll believe a DH12 trade is coming when I see it. If it happens they'll surely suck
James Johnson is not a big loss.
LOL...if this question was asked same time last year Nets would definately be in worst 5 teams. Not anymore.
In my opinion the 5 worst teams next season are(in no order) -Kings,Bobcats,Cavs,Hornets & Phoenix.
^ lou williams is a BEAST.
Why does the guy that created this post get so many Negs ? Those teams will likely be horrible that he mentioned.
I think it's because of the teams he listed as the bottom 5 next year. I highly doubt the Hawks will be in the bottom 5. It's basically saying Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams were worth about 20-30 wins and without them they have no way of getting those wins now.
I personally doubt the Rockets will be one of the worst 5 teams, but that's at least debatable unlike the Hawks in my opinion. With the Rockets there are a bunch of ifs that have to come together for them to be good starting with Jeremy Lin and continuing to the summer league rookies, the second year players, if they get Asik and how he'll play if they do.
Personally the only team I'd absolutely say I expect in the bottom 5 is the Bobcats. Short of that, I've seen all sorts of crazy things happen. One or two bad injuries for example is all it takes for a "playoff lock" to be in the lottery while one or two guys who really get things together can take a "sure lottery team" into the playoffs.
For example since Rose is going to miss most of this season if not all of it, Deng will have wrist surgery likely after the olympcis and will be out until around January, Noah's ankle is still banged up and he's not even playing in the Olympics...so that may be a nagging injury all year, and those three things could potentially have the Bulls in the lottery this year. I think Tom Thibbeadu is a solid coach and will likely hold the team together with duct tape and make the playoffs, but he's got a real challenge ahead of him this year. Plus I don't think the Bulls will match the offer on Asik thanks to the poison pill and the big contracts Rose, Noah, Deng, and Boozer already have.
Another example is the Wizards who last year were one of the worst teams in the league, but now they've rid themselves of all their knuckle heads and brought in professionals like Nene, Emeka Okafor, and Trevor Ariza. They also have some young guys who played well in last years chaos in Trevor Booker and Kevin Seraphin. Bradley Beal, whose shot wasn't falling a ton in summer league, will likely be effective for them when the attention is paid on Nene and John Wall. Depending on Wall's improvement as well the Wizards could find their way into the playoffs this year...or everyone could get injured and it all looks like an expensive mess, its tough to say.
I don't see Brad beal playing a lot Crawford much better at this point he is just 19 though should get better.
Toronto was the 8th worst team last year, and they got better.
Not a chance they will be a bottom 5 team.
they were 8th worst but only 3 games from being 2nd worst, plus golden St. and NJ are way improved and definitely better than Toronto even if they got better. Cleveland and Washington would of had better records than Toronto if they were healthy last year.