1. Kenny Kadji- I'm a Canes fan, and the first thing I have to say about him that nobody mentions is he has the worst shot selection ever. He looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. He is also almost 25. I compare him to Andray Blatche. Shoots a bunch of long 2's, has no motor, looks great in warmups and makes some jumpers but it isn't all there and he is playing against guys 4-6 years younger than he is, and still not dominating the boards.
2. Victor Oladipo- I'll say it. Its gone over the top. He's getting number one pick buzz. I think thats crazy for a shorter version of Mickael Pietrus with a better motor. He is a 6'4 SF with no real advanced dribble game and I don't know if I trust his range to 3 pointer. Don't get me wrong, he is a guy you want on your team, but even as a top 5 pick thats a huge reach to me for a really raw guy who I really wonder how he fits offensively at the next level. He gets a lot of garbage points on a good team IMO, not to say he isn't good, but this isn't a top 3-5 kind of guy IMO he is a role player. He's a late lotto, mid first kind of guy to me. I will say that he is the one guy on this list most likely to make me put my foot in my mouth.
3. Anthony Bennett- This to me is a guy that is really physically advanced and beat up a lot of MWC frontlines. I wonder how much upside he has. As a guy with limited upside who I don't see being an immediate impact NBA player, you just wonder how good he can be. He isn't the freakshow athlete that the 6'7 PF's who have been successful are, and he will have trouble playing defense on 3's and good 4's with his lack of size and footspeed. I think he's a guy you look at in the late teens or twenties
4. Mason Plumlee- What does this guy do well for an NBA player? Just don't see it. He is like a stiffer, older Meyers Leonard. He is soft on defense, has no post game, and ran up nice numbers being the only thing Duke has on the inside. He scored the easiest 18ppg of anybody in the country off good guard play. I question his toughness and motor, and for a 7 footer with no skills or jumper, thats all anybody would pick him for. I'd rather take a guy like Withey, who knows what being a Center is
5. James Michael Mcadoo- Every time I see him play he dissapoints me more. I don't know who would take him in the first round. No motor, no heart, soft. This guy is a physical monster at the college level, but he is a wanna be SF with no handles, touch, or jumper. Never seen a first round type prospect airball at least a shot a game. He is a great athlete so somebody will bite if he goes pro, but I just don't see him helping anybody without a serious attitude adjustment. Doesn't seem like a team player to me. Jacks up a ton of shots, especially in highly publicized games. Tries to pad stats it seems, 5-19 vs Kansas. Shot 45 percent this year, with plenty of dunks padding that. 58% from free throw. Less than half a block in 30 mpg. What does he do well?
Gotta start with a Cane on both lists.
1. Shane Larkin- your dream backup PG. Maybe he can't guard Westbrook's and Rose's every night at his size, but he just plays the position perfectly. An good NBA athlete, even at PG. Great shooter with amazing range. Accurate, smart passer. Great teammate. Competes at both ends. He just knows how to play and any playoff team looking to secure their backup pg would be happy to have him. No fail potential, this kid is an NBA player for a decade. Like a Rich mans DJ Augustine IMO
2. Doug Mcdermott- This kid can go. He has a clear cut NBA skill as a 3 point shooter. Great motor and toughness, smart kid. Knows he will probably be a 3 and D guy in the NBA and will develop those skills. Reminds me of Jared Dudley. Bet you the Spurs are all over this kid for some reason.
3. CJ Leslie- This is the most likely of my underrated picks to backfire. Seems like a bad locker room guy, and you wonder what position he plays. But he is just so talented that you have to take a chance late round 1, and he is farther along than most projects. He needs to accept a position, but with another 10-15 pounds I think he can be a really explosive PF in the NBA. I think all the things he does now translate well, it just depends on where his head is at. I tend to shy away from guys like this but he should find a spot round 1.
4. Gary Harris- He seems like a quieter Brad Beal to me. Just plays the position right. Isn't overwhelming in any one area but solid, has a good body, plays a clean game. I think he is a lottery guy in this draft. In a draft with no surefire superstar, I think he is closer in the mix with older guys like McLemore, Oladipo, and Muhhamad than you would think. If he leaves i'm pretty sure he goes Lottery. He is one of the safest picks in the draft of this years freshman class.
5. Michael Snaer- If you aren't a start wing scorer, you are a 3 and D player. Snaer is a great 3 and D player. Shot almost 40% from three in college, is a lockdown defender at the 2, has NBA size and athleticism. The things he does well is what teams are looking for from him, and the things he doesn't do well (initiate offense) are things that you can get by without. I'd take a shot on him late round 1 if I'm looking for a good bench guy. I think he'd fit in somewhere like Utah, Indiana, or Boston.
Nate Wolters- Granted I only watched two games of him this year, but he got shut down by Michigan. He couldn't create space and is slow defensively. I see a poor mans Jimmer, which means D-League.
Jeff Withey- I spent some time with the kid and he's the nicest dude in the world and I wish him the best but his height is his only advantage, how's that working out for Thabeet? The league is getting more athletic, quicker, and as a function of that shorter. He's 15 years too late.
Nate Wolters is nothing like Jimmer.
I agree about Withey though. At least someone like Meyers Leonard is an athlete.
Shabazz Muhammad - Take away his left and what does he have? A sketchy J. No passing and little D.
Kelly Olynyck - Who will he guard? 6'11" Psycho T?
MCW - A big point, but then what? Who can he guard 1-on-1? Shooting is bad.
CJ Leslie - Classic tweener problems. Not strong enough to guard 4s, not quick enough to guard 3s. What is his NBA skill?
Adetokoubo - Huh? Show me some skill vs someone else I've heard of.
The Oladipo love is frustrating me so much. He is the best perimeter defender in this draft, but he has little to no dribble game, and his shot is alright SOME of the time, and terrible the rest. He gets his points off his defense and garbage buckets. Now, if he was a 6'10 big guy, he'd be ideal. But he is a 6'4'' guy who has to play small forward due to his limited perimeter game. I dont see that guy as a top 10 pick, certainly a great glue guy to have coming off your bench, or even starting on a team like Memphis ala Tony Allen, who already have plenty of scorers.
Victor Oladipo, is the most overrated prospect. I tried to write a thread about it last night, but it didn't work out. I was dumfounded at how a lot users believe he is a better prospect then Ben Mclemore, and that he should be selected first overall.
I'm pretty sure Oladipo plays SF due to the fact that yogi ferrel, and jordan hulls are on the team and both deserve to start at the 1 and 2. Oladipo can certainly play the 2
Love it. That was a great post canesboy!
You guys are saying exactly what I said a while back about Oladipo when all the hype started: 6'4 with SF skills. This #1 overall pick hype is ridiculous alright.... Thing is, in this draft he still probably goes 8-10 legitimately. He has character and intangibes that teams want. He's like a super role player, almost like a MKG only without quite the length, intensity and feel for the game. Him over Zeller still seems crazy to me, though.
I agree with the lists and even see the chance for Gary Harris to do exactly what you said. Especially if Izzo beats Duke and Louisville as I'm starting to think he will.......
Dipo just a role player ?
alex len - he's a project
anthony bennett - i hear way to much larry johnson comparisons. he's just aight.
nerlens noel - his stock is suddenly back to top three and he has a torn acl for the second time and only plays at one end
tony mitchell - doubt he will make an nba team and he gets this upside label. prove something already!
alex poythress - read the player above
patric young - can't teach hustle, in a weak draft he can make a team
gorgui dieng - a true post game is hard to come by these days and he has one.
gary harris - i just jumped on his bandwagon. took me long enough. he might have the best pro career out of pgs in ncaa
andre roberson - good defender, athletic and still young. pretty low on mock drafts.
michael snaer - he can play a few years in the league in a weak draft and has shown clutch abilities.
How is James Michael Mcadoo overrated? I didn't see anyone who actually "rates" , people are just expecting him to be drafted in 1st round b/c of his physical tools but every one talking about him being a bust
Oladipo - no one is saying he will be an all-star but in this weak draft there are cons for each player going number 1. There is no clear number 1.
If you look at last years draft which was stronger and put them in this years draft Oladipo probably would of gone somewhere between 7th and 10th. Harrison Barnes was 7 and Austin Rivers was 10. This draft is weak he could go in the top 5.
1. James Michael McAdoo: As a UNC fan he has to be the most frustrating player in the last decade to play at UNC. All the physical tools in the world, a VERY quick first step, strong upper body and hops, but no depth perception whatsoever and is just softer than tissue paper. He looks the part standing at a chiseled 6'9" 240 lbs. but doesn't act it. This guy has bust written all over him.
2. Shabazz Muhhamad: Love the motor and the skills are there, IMHO he just has too much baggage about him. Lying about his age, a controlling father, rumors about being a bad teammate. He only has a left hand. IMHO he should be a late lottery pick, but not top 10.
3. Mason Plumlee: This guy is a great athlete, however he just overpowers his oppenents using his strength. Whenever he goes up against someone stronger or just as skilled as him he can't do anything. Struggled against Greg Echenique of Creighton. I just don't see him imposing his will in the NBA. I think he is a Tyler Hansbrough like player in the NBA which is good value in the 25-early second round range, but a lottery pick he should not be.
4. Narlens Noel: I am not sure if people are seeing what I am seeing, but I don't think he impacted the game as much as we'd like to think. They were a borderline tourney team with him and without him well they just weren't a tourney team. And a lot of people never fully bounce back from their ACL tears. We'll see about him.
1. PJ HAIRSTON: I am a homer for this guy I know, hear me out though. He is 6'5-6'6 an underrated athlete. Has a great first step and finishes well after contact. He shows signs of developing a consistant driving game, is a competitor and a winner. He impacts the game in a HUGE way. Made the UNC Tar Heels a whole lot better once he was placed in the lineup. IMHO he has a lot of the tools that made Brad Beal a good NBA prospect. How Hairston is not considered a lottery pick this year is beyond me.
2. Shane Larkin: This guy is a poor man's Ty Lawson in the league. He is a flat out winner, can pick the spot where he wants to go and has a great jumpshot and does whatever is expected of him. I REALLY want to see him and Trey Burke go head to head in the final four. Larkin is LETHAL with the pick and roll. I think he can average 10 points and 6 assists consistantly throughout his career which is a good value for a mid first round pick.
Larkin is someone who relies a lot on the pick and roll game, i hope for his sake he goes to a team that utilizes it a lot. But i think he will have some trouble in the NBA early on because so many players are good at getting over the screen and bigs hedge so well.
I think the first two years in the NBA, Larkin will get very limited minutes, but one day he will be a great backup PG.
Ola plays sf because they like the three guard line up. He can play the 2 IMO.
I think Oladipo is where he is because of the relative talent in this class. Don't get me wrong, i like this class, but there's not many GREAT players that can contribute right away. But i think Oladipo is someone who can contribute right away because of his defense and his motor. Plus, he has the upside to be a formidable player at the least offensively.
I think the fact that Oladipo rising so high on draft boards comes mostly from how bad the high end prospects have been lately. Oladipo's always consistent, but it seems like everyone except Nerlens has been awful lately, especially Ben Mclemore. Marcus Smart didn't impress me either in the K-State game in the big 12 tourney, or the Oregon game.
That being said, Oladipo should be a late lotto to mid first guy based on talent alone, but in this draft, with basically no sure fire prospects, he comes up a bit. I also think he has good upside, really just needs to transition his range to NBA 3, and work on his ballhandling.
As for Plumlee, I think he could be a very good pick for the right team or a bust on the wrong one. For a fast paced team, Plumlee runs the floor extremely well for a 6'11" guy. I think the NBA spacing helps him a lot as well. He does need to be less soft though. I also think he projects to the 4 in the league, not 5.
As for the guy who said Whithey is stiff, you need to go back and watch tape. He's an impact rim defender. He's no Brian Zoubek, and he gets up well and has excellent timing. He's pretty mechanical on offense, but he will do good work on the offensive glass. With the lack of Center's in the league, the guy has great value. He will stick around in the the league for as long as his legs hold up.
1. Shabazz Muhammed: Shabazz use to be the consensus #1 a few months ago, but that changed a lot lately because it's evident he has a lot of trouble scoring at the collegiate level since he can't over power everyone with his athleticism. He's fallen all the way down to about #9 for good reason, but i still might argue that's too high for him. Shabazz cannot create his own shot whatsoever and has a tough time getting a decent shot when he drives it in. He always seems to take really tough floaters at odd angles when he takes it in. Furthermore, he is almost like a black hole when he gets the ball lol. He rarely ever sets up his teammates for good looks and for a potential franchise player, that is not a good quality. Shabazz does have a good motor imo and has some defensive upside, but i think most of his points in the NBA for the first few years will be in transition and spot up 3s (which he needs to continue to improve).
2. Anthony Bennet: In the top 5, Bennet is a little over rated. He hit a massive wall this year and never seemed to revert back to his dominate ways that he displayed in the beginning of the season. But i will give him the benefit of the doubt since he was showing a lot of frustration at times when his teammates wouldn't feed him in the post when he had good positioning. I think he will be a good player, but right now at top 5 is too high for him.
3. Mason Plumlee: Plumlee is extremely athletic, but that's about it. He has absolutely no post game and also seems to disappear through great stretches in the game.
4. CJ Leslie: I think he took advantage of his athleticism in college to score points, but that won't happen in the NBA. He is not strong enough to even back a SF down in the NBA and certainly won't be quick enough to get past them either. He is a classic tweener and doubt he has much success in the NBA.
5. Kyle Anderson: Seeing this kid play is so unbelievably frustrating lol. HE IS SO SLOW. I hope no team wastes a pick on him because he will be a cum dumpster in the NBA. He will get eviscerated on defense and locked down on offense. He doesn't even have a decent shot so defenders can at least give him room to work with lol.
I was going to say McAdoo, but he's really low here lol
1. Otto Porter: I know he's up there here in this site, but i'm referring to the national attention, or lack there of, he is receiving from the media. You rarely ever hear his name when mentioning top players in this draft and only the few people that watch college ball really know how good this guy is. He does EVERYTHING and you can tell he just really knows how to play with the way he moves without the ball.
2. James Withey: I don't think he gets enough credit for how good he is. He isn't the type of center you throw it in to him and he will score by himself but he will improve your defense tremendously. He also runs the court really well for a 7 footer and isn't bad at finishing either. He will be an A+ backup C throughout his NBA career.
3. Gary Harris: I like the fact many people put him here because he deserves it. He's another guy that was rarely ever mentioned when talking about the up and coming players in college. I really hope he stays because i want to see him continue to improve him game. He has a wet shot and his handles are actually pretty good already. The Bradley Beal comparison isn't a bad one.
4. Erick Green: This guy from VT he pretty damn good and deserves to be a first rounder. He led the nation in scoring while being the only player worth a damn on the team. He also had a nice FG% at .475% while also getting to the line 8 times a game and making 81% of his FTs. So that pretty much tells you that not only is he a good scorer, but he does it efficiently.
Could go 1 depending on workouts. 6'8 with range and IQ. He should play early and often.