4 Way Trade that Helps All Teams
Nets- D Howard
Minny- Pau, Lopze and Reggie Evans
Hawks- Pekovic , Brooks and 1 round pick ( Nets )
Lakers- Love, Josh Smith, D Williams, JJ Berea and 1st round pick ( Memphis that gets sent to Minny )
Everyone gets better or what they want in this trade. Hawks get a Center so they can move Al to the 4 and a SG to play plus another pick for themselves. Nets get Howard to make their dream complete. Minny gets Pau who they've been looking to team up with Ricky and Lopze who is locked in on a contract and has become the second best center in the game. Lakers get Love who's been bashing his GM and team, Smith who fits Mike D's run and gun system. JJ as a nice backup to Nash and William as a nice combo bench player.
Wow you must be a lakers fan.
You act as if the Lakers making out like fat rats in this trade? How Love is a very good player, Smith is good as well. But how is it out of this world bad? Hawks have been talking to the Nets about a Hump and Brooks for Smith. Minny is not getting robbed, they're flipping Love for Lopez and getting Pau for Williams, JJ and a Pick. And the Nets get who they've wanted the whole time
If you look team for team how is it bad?
Nets- are giving up Lopez and Brooks and a pick for Howard. Which they would have done in less than one second over the summer. Wouldn't have taken them the full second.
Minny- getting two 7 footers who would be able to play together. Also Lopez is locked into a deal and can't run off on them like Love. Might do in a year.
Hawks get what they're looking for young players and a pick
Lakers get Love who can replace what Howard brings and Smith to replace Pau plus some very nice bench players. They're giving up the best center in the league and a top 5 big man in Pau
I would love to see Demarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans get trade to the lakers,even though it most likely wont happen. But the lakers could both build a bench, have young talent and have future stars. Just my opinion ....
Even if the lakers do trade Howard im sure it would be for a young all-star point guard....so this would not happen...but this trade is not as bad as everyone is making it seem
You guys are funny dropping people points without giving a reason. Not 1 for why this is a bad deal
The Lakers: Get rid of a headache know as Howard, and a 32 yo obviously declining PF to get back a 24yo PF who is arguably the best rounber in the league, has a great 3 point game for a man his size, AND above average passing, AND can play Center, and a 27 yo shot blocking PF with crazy hops, AND a 21 yo stretch 4 that in his last 5 games at least is averaging 16 and 9.
Obviously that is a slam dunk for them, replacing three positions with young stud players while picking up a 1st rounder, AND being perennial contenders for the next 8 years with the influx of players they are getting.
Nets: Trade Lopez, Marshon Brooks, Reggie Evans, a 1st rounder, AND still keeps the bloated contracts of both G. Wallace and K. Humphries to get back Dwight.
In my opinion thats a draw, as I think it's only a matter of time before Lopez goes back down, and they were offering a similar trade for D12 in the first place. So far we have two teams that are satisfied, good job so far.
Hawks: Get rid of J. Smoove, which we all know they probably will have to anyways and get back Pekovic, Brooks, and the LATER of the 2 first round picks involved. I say they would need to get the Min pick in order to make it more fair.
That's a decent return: someone with a huge upside in Brooks, and a above average center in Pekovic + that 1st round IF it was MIN 1st rounder. So three teams in my opinion have made out at least without negativity so far...Now the real fun begins.
Wolves: Trade JJ Barea, Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, Nikola Pekovic, and a 1st rounder. Lets look at the repercussions of this: They are trading what most some would argue the best PF currently playing, and an above average Center, and Derrick Williams which earlier I eluded to him playing better with the increased minutes, and a 1st rounder for a 32 year old PF, A better C, but who cannot rebound, and Reggie Evans, a 32 year old player that plays the same position as Gasol. Not only did they just trade their youth and get about a decade older, but they also probably pissed off Ricky Rubio at this point, all but ensuring he leaves at the end of his rookie contract, effectively losing there Star PG as well.
Though some trades are definitely skewed if a team wants to "win now" I feel adding vets is a "win now" move, and I don't think dissecting the Wolves' youth for a bunch of old men are going to propel the Wolves to the finals this year or the next 3 years of the "Gasol-Evans" window, returning the Wolves to their "glory days" of worthlessness. Then you are left with Lopez, and 1 less first-round talent because you traded it years back, and you probably have lost your PG of the future, which means this trade leaves the Wolves with only Lopez to show at the end of the three years. Trades have to work for the now AND the future and this trade is definitely not geared towards the future for the Wolves.
I am not trying to bash on your post, laarethekings, as I thought it was a good trade for the first three teams and if the Wolves really were a farm for talent that didn't matter than meh this trade would be acceptable. Unfortunately Minnesota is a real basketball team with aspirations of someday making it to the promise land, and because of that I must say that you have officially "trade raped" the Wolves.
Now I don't usually like to post trade ideas as they are WAY to often bashed, since you seem to be a Lakers' fan based on the trade this is something I may do:
I hope that works.
Since Earl Clark is playing extremely well, I would trade Gasol, Earl, and 1 probably even 2 if Minnesota needed it for Kevin Love. I threw Ridnour in there to make the trade work financially. This is my reasoning:
Obviously K. Love is an upgrade over Gasol. I think of Love's new role kind of like Bosh's in Miami, playing pick and rolls, from the top of the elbow which is fine as Love plays that style anyway, which frees the lane truly for Howard, This works as Gasol was kind of a tweener, making Howard's playfield a smaller zone. Love can hit the spot up 3 pass it down to Howard and when needed to post up on others, but ultimately leave that dirty work to Howard. If Ridnour was included, well than the Lakers just got an upgrade as they now have a quality backup to Nash who doesn't need the ball, but is smart and can drain the FT late in the game if need be. Can you imagine a small ball team late in the 4th for FT purposes of Ridnour, Nash, Bryant, Jamison, and Love, or something of those sorts, Who do you foul, either way you are screwed. Also Ridnour could hop into Nash's spot when he retires and since they have a core that now doesn't include a 32 year old PF the Lakers could be more crafty with scouting and drafting, and not rely so much on the next year or two of their 1st rounders anyways.
Wolves get a PF in Gasol that can mentor the team, maybe get Derrick Williams' head in the game properly, while having a beautiful Pick and Roll with Rubio. Since Pekovic doesn't demand the ball like Howard yet still plays the aggressive post game, Gasol won't feel so forced to give it up and could focus on his game being a more primary scorer again. The Wolves' also get Earl, who has shown that he can be a factor, to create a mismatch with 2 stretch 4's playing in Williams' and Clark. And the ever important 2 1st round picks that they could either combine with their own and trade to move up or select players to continue building around the youth they still have. There also would not be as much down time for the Wolves in terms of rebuilding so they might not piss Rubio enough if he can see that they got more draft assets and a mentor, and possibly keep him in town.
Sorry this post is so long, I am just not a fan of blatant trade rape.
EDIT: Sorry the Trade machine didn't work (as I feared) but it's:
Lakers: Love, Ridnour
Wolves: Gasol, Clark, 2 1st rounders.
How is Minny getting raped?
For Love they would be getting back Lopez who most think is the 2nd best center in the game and only 24 years old also and this is a big part. He is locked in to a 5 year deal. It's not like great players just want to go and play for Minny. So having a player like Lopez that can't leave ( like Love might in a year with his opt out ) is a big deal.
And Pau they've been trying to trade fior Pau for almost two seasons now. They have been offering Williams as part of a deal. And Plase don't try and tell me that a 4 game window where he's avg 16 and 9 now makes him a star. And how would trading for Pau piss off Rickey? Thay have both said they would like to play with each other in the NBA.
Minny is on its way to another top 5 pick in this draft. To me a team of Rickey, Pau , Lopez and whoever they draft at ( top 5 ) is a better core than what they have going on now.
These trade ideas are what get me out of bed in the morning
that laker fan just got raped for his points!
This trade makes little sense, beyond anything else how on earth do LA pay Josh Smith, with Nash, Kobe, D-Will, Love, World Peace on the books. To me Brooklyn and Atlanta get hammered on this trade, Brooks and Lopez for Howard is not fair, a good argument could be made that Lopez has been better than Howard this year.
Edit: I have just ran this through the trade machine and no way can Minnesota afford this trade, they would be well over the cap.