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3rd round?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/NBA-adding-third-round-to-draft-...

"Bigwigs of the NBA and its Players Association are said to be discussing the next collective bargaining agreement behind closed doors Wednesday. One of the topics that has already come up, according to SheridanHoops, is a proposal from the owners that a third round be added to the draft.

The site notes that the players have come back with several suggestions to change the draft as well, including having "the 15 teams with the worst records ... continue to pick 1st through 15th" and then also select again with the 16th-30th picks.

Another proposal had the worst eight teams getting an extra first-round pick while the top eight teams wouldn't get to pick till the start of the second round, the site reports.

SheridanHoops points out that the NBA has been without a third round since 1988."

What does everyone think of this?


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Personally I like the idea.

Personally I like the idea. More chances and opportunities for kids to showcase their talent and be invited to camp and maybe this will lead to more people staying in school with hopes of being drafted. I dunno, I like it.

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Guess it would be nice for kids to be drafted

But, honestly, I do not see much wrong with the current two round system. These guys still get invited to training camps and have a chance to sign with teams. Not only that, they usually get a few options of where they want to go and try out, so they can measure which team is the best fit. For us draft heads, any more chance to project where players are going would be kind of cool, but you more than likely would not get the cool, undrafted rookies you normally might. I don't know, this proposal sounds a little out there, not sure it is all that necessary. Plus, I have no idea how creating extra draft picks would make kids want to stay in school.

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I don't like this proposal;

I don't like this proposal; if you look at a player like Wes Matthews, who went undrafted but is now making more money than most of his draft-mates, the benefits of only two-rounds are obvious. Players towards the end of the second round rarely get any playing time as it is, or even make the team. Adding a third round would just leave more players locked into a team which might not need their specific skills when they could potentially pave their own way.

You just have to look at the latter stages of the 2011 draft to see that most teams do very little with their picks at this stage.

Another problem with the players' proposal is that you might get the situation where the 15th team (a playoff team) gets two first round picks, but neither of the kids much playing time because the team is competitive and there aren't enough minutes for one middle of the pack rookie, let alone two.

And finally, this might not necessarily help the "bad" franchises, it could just leave them with an endless stream of very young players who have no veterans to benefit from. With two first-rounders every season it's hard to see all of them getting chances to develop with PT, and we might see an increase in situations where you have two starting calibre players who will be contending for minutes and never being comfortable enough to make mistakes and get better.

Man, this is a bummer, I was hoping this meeting might result in an end to the lock-out, but I guess they are further off that than I'd hoped.

Revenue sharing is definitely a good thing though.

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i guess a 3rd round would be

i guess a 3rd round would be interesting but as it is now...most SECOND round players dont even pan out

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Adding a third round would be

Adding a third round would be pointless. Hardly any second rounders even make the team and I cant imagine how many THIRD rounders would make an NBA roster. The NBA would be lucky if just ONE guy out of 30 picks in the third round made a roster. I don't see the point in having an entire round for just one guy who would be undrafted and if he did happen to make an NBA roster then I am sure he would have got a few training camp invites and would have made it anyway.

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wouldnt mind seeing it... it

wouldnt mind seeing it... it would be cool

but the 2 round system is just fine to me to

if i had to choose one, i would prob choose the 2 rounds

but i want to see more players realize there dreams and get drafted

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A second 1st rounder for struggling teams

Even though I'm a Wolves fan, I hate this idea. It would just give teams more incentive to tank the season in order to stockpile more talent.

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@ omphalos

The owners were the ones who proposed the 3rd round, and all of these theories on how to improve "competitive balance". I think that the system has little wrong with it currently, but who knows what theories these teams seem to have. All I know is the team that finishes with the 16th worst record in the league, usually a team that did not do incredibly well, would be screwed under this proposal and the 15th place team would be in a much better position. Honestly, every team in the league has a chance as long as they are managed properly and keep a good eye out for talent. The teams that have not done well tend to have opportunities that they squander due to poor management, little else past that.

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I don't see the point, 2nd

I don't see the point, 2nd rounders don't even get guaranteed contracts and there are plenty of non drafted players that get invited to summer leagues.

I like the current system where you get invited to summer league, if you play well enough you get a training camp invite, get the chance to make the pre-season roster and then play for a contract.

This new system would give the players that wouldn't get drafted in a 2 round system less control over what they do. Undrafted players, today, can play for multiple summer league teams and choose what teams they'd like to work out for. In the new system they would be stuck on the team that drafted them, where in the old system they could be a little more selective to find a team they'd have the best chance playing for.

From the players perspective I don't get this at all, but from the league standpoint it seems like a strategy to further develop the D-League. Still, all that said, I still think the current 2 round system is working just fine in developing the D-League. Every year more and more rookies find their way in the D-League while NBA teams use the D-League as a tool for developing talent. 5 years ago no one was putting their 1st round pick in Tulsa to get some minutes, but today it's considered a better alternative that to have that player collecting dust in a suit on the bench. Adding a 3rd round doesn't seem to have much benifit in my opinion, and I feel it limits a current un drafted free agent's (in the new system a 3rd round draft pick) control over his destiny.

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My mistake mikeyv, I got

My mistake mikeyv, I got mixed up about who proposed it. I agree about the 15th vs 16th thing, the middle of the pack teams would struggle in this setup. Competitive balance has to come with a less generous cap, whether it's soft or hard, there can't be teams with payrolls to far over as the Mavs for example. The Mavs get a free pass because Dirk did such a great job leading them, but they spent an awful lot of money to get a team so solidly put together from top-to-bottom. This is probably my only gripe with the current system, that and guaranteed contracts; it's been the case many times with this past CBA that one bad mistake can handicap a team for a LONG time, and make it very hard for them to be competitive. I want more accountability for players, and less discrepancy in salaray cap between teams.

Still, all these meetings have to be a good thing. I'm glad they stopped antagonizing each other in the media.

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They need to change it up from the current lottery process

because I am tired of Stern manipulating the draft picks behind the scenes.

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Third round doesn't make a

Third round doesn't make a lot of sense as people point out that not a lot of second rounders even make the team that drafts them now. I think teams would end up using the extra picks to stash more players overseas. I don't like that because then you have the issue of if the player really develops overseas and becomes much better than a third round pick, then they either aren't ever coming to the NBA for third round money or they come to the NBA as some sort of random advantage that could throw off competitive balance.

I do however like the weaker teams getting more early picks so that they can get better. The draft is supposed to help a bad team get better, problem is that bad teams do things like trade away their draft picks for bad veteran players or they draft bad players. Those picks have to be untradeable at least until the player is selected. There are some rules (I think you aren't allowed to trade your first round pick two years in a row (I think that was a Clippers rule)) and there need to be more of those things. Giving the bad teams another draft pick will also really help them make up for their inability to figure out who can play and who can't. I suspect that the rookie salary cap is going to be further constrained in the new agreement, so another early draft pick has a good chance at being a really valuable asset. This will add parity to the league and allow the worse run and financially strapped teams to remain somewhat competitive.

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I like the idea, but for a

I like the idea, but for a different reason, because I don't want another David Lighty, or Scotty Hopson.

And this won't level the playing field, it'll make it even more uneneven, cause David Kahn doesn't know who to pick, and trades the pcik to Rc Buford, who then picks the next Manu, or to Danny Ainge, other good playoff GMs, that'll find diamonds in the rough, "level the playing field" give me a break.

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Seriously a third round ? Is

Seriously a third round ? Is there any actual point to a third round? There basically gonna get the same benefits of a undrafted player . Look at Jeremy Lin he went undrafted but got invited to play for the Mavs in the summer league and suprised teams and now he is on the Warriors .So its not like undrafted players arent in the league or anything but I bet most 3rd rounders would have to go through what Jeremy Lin went through but probably not get sighned.

And for the the other thing with the bottom 15 teams get 2 picks in the first round is dumb because those bottom 15 picks dont do much but some make nice roll players for certain playoffs teams .Lets face it there arent that much prospects in the late first round and all of those bad teams will just draft alot of first rounders and end up like the T-Wolves with no veterans

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I like the idea of adding a

I like the idea of adding a third round in that I'm always yelling at my tv for some team to select several players toward the end of the second round and there's always several players who deserve to get drafted who don't.

I don't like the idea in that the last few years, by the end of the second round most teams are just selecting longshot foreign players seemingly at random or just to see if Adam Silver can pronounce their names. Then there's the Tanguy Ngombo debacle. Great job, Minnesota.

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Most 2nd rounders don't even

Most 2nd rounders don't even make a roster, and now you want to bring in a 3rd round? That's just ridiculous.

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I've given it a bit more

I've given it a bit more thought since my initial reaction, and there is a scenario where this could be of great benefit to the League, and to restoring competitive balance. It would have to be paired with an overhaul of the D-League to bring it more into line as a legitimate minor league where teams can follow the model of the Spurs and other teams with sole control over D-League teams and develop their players internally. This would solve the problems of playing time, and if every team had a D-League affiliate then they could take a risk on projec players without hurting their competitiveness in the Major league.

This is a possible benefit of the third round, but in any other circumstances no, I wouldn't recommend it.

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A 3rd Round would only

A 3rd Round would only benefit teams from a marketing point of view..Teams will use them to get their fan base excited...Becuz the 3rd round will be filled with alot of seniors they've watched for 4 years..GM's will be parading them to the media the day after the draft..And they will be Listed on teams Training Camp rosters,but really dont have a chance to make the team...Some of the big name seniors will be used to promote their D-League franchises....

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Kobe Bryant !!!! thats all

Kobe Bryant !!!! thats all

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Michael Cooper was the 16th

Michael Cooper was the 16th pick of the 3rd round in 78.Bill Laimbeer and Mark Eaton were 3rd and 4th rounders in their respective drafts. Personally I'm not a fan of the 3rd round, but I can see where it could be good as it would give teams a chance to not miss out on those Wes Mathews types. I just see no reason in changing the order of the draft.

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I don't like the idea of only

I don't like the idea of only the worst 15 teams getting 1st rounders. They may get a little more talent, but lesser teams would end up with too many young players. Sure, this will help some rebuilding teams, but eventually it could end up creating less balance of veterans and young players among teams. I don't think it would create a significant shift in competitive.

I think the only truly effective manner of increasing competitive balance would be to increase revenue sharing and to eliminate salary cap loopholes to prevent teams like the Mavericks from running up too high a payroll. The owners of big market teams understandably don't want this, but I think that without more revenue sharing, contraction could become an option later (hopefully not).

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