Proof is in the pudding. Once is an elite athlete, the other is an elite, efficient basketball player. Get the brooms out, LA can't win if Howard can't outplay Tim.
Dwight is a scrub. Imagine if we had some legit bigs these days like Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Olajuwon, and so on, the league would be ridiculous.
I reckon Mourning and even Brad Daugherty or Mutombo could outplay him
Shouldn't be a surprise, Duncan is still teaching lessons just like Kobe has done over the years........Dwight needs to grow up mentally b/c right now he's a joke!
While we were watching the game last night...1 of my friend's asked how much better Howard would be if he went to college?
Another 1 of my buddies said yeah, he needs to take his butt back to school...To learn that if you can't hit the rim while shooting a free throw..... Your dumb a$$ shouldnt be attempting 18 footers!!!
Tim Duncan is the greatest PF of all time and one of the best big man ever to play the game of basketball. Dwight is a good C, but comparing him to a legend like Duncan might be unfair?
Going to college would have definitely helped Dwight develop his fundamentals, but in reality he would have gone for 1 year, dominated because of his physical attributes and left thinking he knew everything.
I think the biggest thing we saw last night is that Dwight, above all else, lacks a desire to win. I get the impression he cares more about his image than he does his accomplishments as a player. Duncan wants #5 and knows his opportunities to do so are limited.
Dwight will retire without a ring.
honestly when I saw this post I was expecting the person who posted it to get a lot of negatives because a lot of people seem to be in love with Dwight, but im not. he has never had a great post game. for someone who worked with the dream, it does not show much, nor did it ever. he has always gotten by with sheer power and athleticism with a lack of great bigs these days. Duncan is still a top 3 big man in the nba in my opinion, and he is 37. that says a lot about how the nba has changed and how bigs games have de-volved. I miss the 90's type big man.
i didnt know this was something we needed to even say I thought this was obvious.
wait are you guys comparing him to two years ago "prime" dwight when he really wasnt even in his prime yet...or are you referring to the dwight now as grandpa dwight...i mean "prime". lol hes no prime dwight if he runs up and down the court slower than duncan atm. ( he actually does lol its sad to watch). but if you are comparing the duncan today and the dwight in his best year so far...dwights probably better but not by much for sure....actually looking at the minutes, if you go per 36, its pretty even. but its not as bad as you guys are making it out to be, if you're referring to the best dwight howard we've seen.
Duncan has been such a pleasant surprise to watch this season.. I truly believed that this was the year where he would settle into that role that Kareem played in 1988, something like 12ppg and 6-7rpg. Boy was I wrong. He is having another vintage Duncan season on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. He has truly been an absolute joy to watch.
D12 might be the most disappointing player in the NBA. The guy had frickin Matt Bonner guarding him, yet he couldn't make the Spurs pay. Please believe that if a prime Shaq had been put in that situation he would dropped 40 & 20 on the Red Rocket. Hopefully this season ends any and all discussion that Dwight is the modern day Shaq. Dwight get by on his physical traits alone. Quite possibly he is the most overrated "superstar" of the modern era
If Matt Bonner guarded Shaq for 48 minutes, I GUARANTEE you that he would drop 70 points on him.
Duncan all day over him, this might be stretch but i think D12 Softer than Pau Gasol, He aint coming back to LA and he has no motor He should be demanding the ball this guy gets the ball in good position and just passes it to &$#%#&@! Antawn Jamison.
Do you mean pre-back surugry Dwight vs. this year's Duncan?
Cause that's not even close.
People forget that Dwight is not even close to 100% and when you add the back injury and the shoulder injury i doubt he's even 50% at this point.
I hope he leaves the Lakers because no one appreciates what the dude is doing right now, no question he shouldn't even be on the court right now.
Sorry, double post.
Yeah I'm you The_Q
Yes it's been pretty long time since the surgery but Dwight still looks like 70% of athlete he was in Magic uniform..
And that's a big deal, it would be bad to any player but especially to a guy who relies so much on pure athleticism and once had been called the best center athlete ever back in his slamdunk contest days
Anybody who believes that a 37 year old Tim Duncan is better than a PRIME Dwight Howard KNOWS nothing about basketball!
Duncan is not putting up Monster numbers
Gm 1, 17pts 10 Rbs, 6-15fg Gm 2, 16pts 5rbs, 8-18fg Reg Season Gm , 23pts, 10rbs, 4assts, 3blks, 11-22fg
Gm 1, 20pts, 15rbs, 2blks, 8-12fg Gm 2, 16pts, 9rbs, 4blks, 7-12fg Reg Season GM 26pts, 17rbs, 3blks, 2stls, 9-15fg
How is Duncan playing better than Howard? He's not. The Spurs are playing better than the Lakers PERIOD.
The Spurs have better players, they play better defense, they spread the floor out, they exploit mismatches. The Lakers have low IQ players. Their players only want to shot the ball. They recognize anytime Bonner or Blair is on Howard or Gasol that its a BIG MISMATCH. Instead they throw the ball to the post when the lane is clogged up. Its simple basketball and Spurs have mastered it.
You can neg me all you want , but most of you guys say a lot of $hit that just doesn't make sense. I dont know if you say it get points, or if you really just dont know basketball. If you dont know basketball, why are you even on here?
Actually Mr. Champ. If you look at the entire stat sheet Howard really isn't playing better than Duncan, but Duncan isn't necessarily dominating Howard either.
MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
37.5, 0.625, 0.000, 0.500, 2.0, 10.0, 12.0, 1.5, 0.5, 3.0, 4.5, 5.0, 18.0
MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
34.5, 0.424, 0.000, 0.833, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5, 0.5, 2.0, 1.0, 1.5, 3.5, 16.5
• As you can clearly see here, Duncan has played a few less minutes.
• Howard is winning FG% but anyone who just dunks all day typically has a high %.
• Free throws, need I say more?
• Duncan has a slight advantage of Offensive Rebounds, but Dwight clearly is ahead overall in rebounds
• Assists, both are low and irrelevant
• Steals, Duncan has the advantage here
• Blocks, Dwight as the advantage here
• This is the most glaring stat of them all in my opinion, 4.5 turnovers compared to 1.5 is ridiculous.
• Another glaring difference, Dwight as much more fouls, leading to Spurs free throws
• Points, Dwight has the slight advantage here
So when it comes down to it, neither is truely dominating the other, but I'm going to give Duncan the slight edge due to Dwight giving up so many points via poor free throw shooting, high turnover rate, and high foul rate.
I agree with you that neither are dominating the other. That was my point for everyone saying that the 37yr old Duncan is much better than a prime Dwight. How so? His team is better yea.
I think Dwight has been playing good, but I think Duncan has been playing good also. I understand Dwight took a big hit to his image, but his play during this series shouldnt be connected to personal opinions about him. He's been the most consistent Laker so far. I feel like he's done his role and I dont think the criticism on this post was warranted.
He was injured the entire year and still led the league in rebounding
2nd in FG% behind on DeAndre Jordan who doesnt really count because he didnt even take 5shots a game,
Top5 in blocks
3rd in Steals amongst Centers
2nd in the NBA in Double Doubles...
All of this during an injured sown year for him.
At what point does any of this equal "he's terrible" or "he's a scrub"?
Scrubs dont put up those types of numbers. Scrubs cant produce those numbers on a team with a bunch of other guys who only want to shoot the ball. Scrubs can't be the best at their position in the NBA.
If you dont like him, I understand. But he's still a top 5 NBA player when he's healthy.
My apologies, at first I thought you were saying Dwight is a lot better. But now that I've re-read your post you're basically saying neither is better like I was.
Duncan is by no means dominating Dwight as many have suggested here. But the reality is that he is hanging with him just fine and is 37. I'm not one to predict the future, but I highly doubt at 37 Dwight will come even close to what Duncan is doing now. Simply because most of Dwights game revolves around his athleticism, he will inevitably lose that.
You make some good points, but do you think that Dwight Howard (even when healthy) is a better *basketball player* than Tim Duncan?
Is Dwight Howard, when healthy, better than a 37yr old Tim Duncan? Yes! I honestly think so. Easily!
Is Dwight Howard, when healthy, better than a "Prime" Tim Duncan? HELL NO! Timmy is the best Power Forward of all time in my eyes.
Dwight will be a Hall of Famer, but Tim Duncan is a legit top 10 player of all time. Dwight will probably make the top 20.
C'mon Indiana! I'm not crazy now..
At 37 is offensively better then Dwight Howard has ever been and most likely will ever be. So if that's the case lets not even bring up Duncan in his prime. Now defensively you can have a debate on but Duncan even at 37 is comparable to Dwight. Only thing Dwight has over Duncan is athletisism and that's about it... Period
Isn't athleticism a part of the game? If Dwight Howard can be terrible and have no post moves as people say, but STILL average 17pts per game in the NBA, then that should tell you something. You guys talk like he can't score the ball. He scores just as much as Duncan, taking way less shots than Duncan. If any other player can dunk the ball every time they touched it, they would. I'm not sure if you have played basketball, but if you have a guy that you can just throw the ball up to and say "Dunk it" that's a luxury and deadly offensive weapon. You guys talk about him like he's Reggie Evans or somebody.
Duncan is a better offensive player than Dwight. Dwight is a good offensive player (whether he can shoot or not)
Dwight is a better Defensive player than Duncan. Duncan is a good Defensive player
That's my my opinion.
Duncan does all the little things to help his team win. In my opinion, he is one of the top 10 players to ever play the game.
I didn't know the Spurs signed Greg Oden!!! Haha
What's funny, is when I was younger and the Spurs had all those good teams I really despised them. And I know they play a more exciting style now, but they are legitimately my favorite team to watch. The ball moves so well and watching Duncan, Ginobli, and TP still get it done is amazing.
the mans 37 years old and playin at his level compared to what dwights playing nearly 10 years younger. 37 YEARS OLD his defense is actually comparable to Dwights especially for the minutes Duncans on the court. Dwight should join the rockets probably the best fit for him to utilize his game.
in fact, a 50 year old Tim Duncan would outplay a dwight howard in his prime.