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20 plus player that were drafted after Hayward that will be better than him in my opinion

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@ Cody you can't read I never

@ Cody you can't read I never said they were terrible drafted. I just said they were not great drafters so if they were to slip up, it would fit.

@ Indiana

I have always said that Hayward did not deserved to be picked that high. I knew he would go that high because some Gm's buy into the hype.

You don't want to admit I am right so you try to make it seem like I have backtrack but I have said the same stuff. I amended my bust statement which was said out of angry but I have always said that he would be a role player at best.

Babbitt does remind of a early but more athletic Croshere when Croshere was pretty good but after he got that contract and Isiah Thomas took over he was terrible.

@ cyclo I appreciate your post but it may be far fetched to compare Babbitt to Dirk. Do they have similiarities yes but so do a lot of big men like Croshere, Pat Garrity, Hargody who are big men with 3 point range but that does not mean they are on the same level.

Dirk is on a level that is higher than Babbitt will ever be because he is a lot better than his stats will show and his stats are impressive.

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Babbitt has much better

Babbitt has much better offensive skills and athleticism than Croshere ever had. He doesn't have the limitations Croshere had as an offensive player and athlete. Nor the limitations in either height, skill or athleticism that the other players mentioned have.

Babbitt's offensive skills, including his handle, are more Dirk-like from the low-post to mid-range to beyond the three-point line. One scout compared him to David Lee, because of his back-to-the-basket post game, while others have noted his obvious pure shooting touch from mid-range and beyond the three-point line. His Dirk-like handle is self-evident.

If this doesn't look like a 6'9" Dirk, I don't know what does. He even runs the floor like him.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdgs4g_draft-preview-luke-babbitt_sport

Not saying he'll be as good as Dirk, just that the skills are there as he displayed today in the summer league vs. the Bulls 7/18.

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That video is just more proof

That video is just more proof that he looks like Croshere, sorry...

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It's clear

Some people are too stupid to judge talent, so they just look at skin color or haircut.

Croshere didn't have Babbitt's athleticism, handle or offensive skills.

This video clearly shows a Dirk-like handle and offensive skills. Very clearly, unless you're blind, that is.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdgs4g_draft-preview-luke-babbitt_sport

While this video shows more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI

Ask any Trailblazer fan who watched the game against the Bulls today 7/18.

22 pts. 4 rebs. 3 asts. 4 stls. 1 blk. 6-8 fg. 8-8 ft. 2-3 3fg.

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Oh, about Hayward

20 players from this draft who will have better NBA careers than Gordon Hayward?

I think the list is up to 30 now.

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Summer league stardom seems

Summer league stardom seems to have you blinded, he's due for an MVP type season I guess....that is if he's Dirk-like, cause Dirk is an MVP type player...Croshere 2.0 in the hizzzouseee...

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Babbitt was not a summer

Babbitt was not a summer league star, nor is he being judged solely on those terms. Most of the summer league he was playing on a sprained ankle. His skills and athleticism were known before the summer league. His basketball skills are Dirk-like. Doesn't mean he'll be as good as Dirk, but he shares the same offensive skill-set with a nice wingspan and above average athleticism at 6'9".

Croshere had no one-on-one skills. He couldn't play SF. You couldn't isolate him one-on-one. Poor handle. No ability to create off the dribble. No post game. No mid-range game. No mobility. No vertical leap. Not much of a scorer.

... while Babbitt excels in all of those areas.

Croshere was nowhere near the offensive player/athlete that Babbitt is coming out of college.

You have to be a f--king idiot to make the comparison. Truly.

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I always liked Croshere. He

I always liked Croshere. He was tall, a good athlete for his size, and could shoot. Never seemed to get much playing time, but usually put up numbers while he was in the game. I'm not sure why comparing Babbitt to Croshere is such an insult. He was in the league for 11 seasons.

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And you would have to be a

And you would have to be a f-ing moron to not see his game is similar to Croshere, don't get your panties in a bunch kid, but he's NO DIRK!!! Face the facts, get your head out of your assss and open your eyes. He will have no more of an impact on the NBA than Croshere had. Go cry in your shirt now little boy...

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No comparison

Croshere played 12 seasons in the NBA and averaged double figure scoring in only 2 of them. His season high was 10.3 ppg. His career averages were 6.8 ppg. on 40.8% from the field. He was not an offensive player.

To compare an unathletic non-scorer to an athletic scorer just because they have the same skin color is stupid and ignores the enormous differences between the two players.

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actually when given minutes

actually when given minutes Croshere could put up points and was a solid role player but he could not defend well and he was not at athletic and it appears Babbitt is. I don't comparing Babbitt to Croshere is an insult. Croshere could have had better numbers if he got minutes but that never happened. Babbitt will have to show he can defend to stay on the floor long enough to put up points. a key thing about Dirk is he is 7 foot and can shoot over most defenders and he is very athletic for a 7 footer and is on par with most power forwards in athleticism. Babbitt at 6'9" i mean it make be just 3 inches but 3 inches can change a lot plus European players tend to have different skills than most American players so there may be other inconsistencies in their games. Also being on the Blazer will not help his case but he should get enough minutes to outplay Hayward.

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Sheltwon you're wasting what

Sheltwon you're wasting what little bit of life you might have posting nonsense in this ridiculous thread. Stop hating on this kid for no reason, you can't even make reasonable arguments support your stupidity. I think you actually have a secret man-crush on Hayward, just put it in his butt already....surprised you aren't still spelling it HAYWOOD, idiot.

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sheltwon

we all know the real reason sheltwon hates on hayward....

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Babbitt has some Croshere in

Babbitt has some Croshere in him but Babbitt do everything better, Babbitt is a rich man Croshere!

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"he should get enough minutes

"he should get enough minutes to outplay Hayward."

Babbitt isn't going to play a lot. He's going to be in a similar situation as Hayward.

Roy and Batum are the starters on the wing. You have to think that Matthews will back up both the 2/3. The Blazers aren't paying him the way they are just for him to play the small amount of minutes behind Roy.

I also can't see Babbitt getting many minutes behind Aldridge at the four either. He can't defend down there, plus you have to think that Camby will back up both Aldridge and Oden.

I just can't see Babbitt getting consistent rotation minutes.

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Hey dips_hit,

Babbitt is not another Croshere.

That's your stupid azz f-cking pea brain unable to accurately judge basketball talent.

Croshere's career averages were 6.8 ppg. on 40.8% from the field. He did not have the offensive skills Babbitt has.

Stop being a moron and face the truth.

Babbitt is a much more athletic, much more skilled offensive player. He can post up, face up, pull up J, takes people off the dribble, and has deadly range from 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI

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Isnt that what you said about

Isnt that what you said about Tyrese Rice?

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timmahforprez And Robert

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And Robert Dozier. And AHMAD NIVINS. And Blake Griffin.

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JNixon-Iggy9

No he said Blake Griffin would be the next Marcus Fizer because hes 6''8.

But if he was 6''9 he wouldve been the next Amara Stoudemire.

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