20 plus player that were drafted after Hayward that will be better than him in my opinion
1 Paul George
2 Cole Aldrich
3 Xavier Henry
4 Ed Davis
5 Patrick Patterson
6 Eric Bledsoe
7 Avery Bradley
8 James Anderson
9 Damion James
10 Jordan Crawford
11 Larry Sanders
12 Hassan Whiteside
13 Armon Johnson
14 Terrico White
15 Lance Stephnson
16 Devin Ebanks
17 Derrick Caracter
18 Magnum Rolle
19 Tiny Gallon
20 Willie Warren
21 Jarvis Varnardo
22 Elliot Williams
23 Craig Brackins
Utah is not know for drafting well
Their last two good draft pics were Deron Williams and Kirilenko
Miles and Brewer were alright considering where they were drafted.
so pretty much the point of this post is that you think hayward wont do aANYTHING in the nba?
its hard to bet on someone who looks like they are 15 to succeed at this level but if he even scores 12 ppg one year that will be better than alot of these guys.
some asks me to come up with 20 or so player that I thought were drafted after Hayward that should be better than him.
Which one of these guys do you not see scoring at least 10 points.
bout 7 or 8 of them wont average 10 ppg
i think in the right situation most of them could probably play a good role and average around 10. not all of them are going to get that chance though. some of them are going to be third string at their position and then be out of the league after their contract ends. i mean seriously do 35 players from each draft actually have credible careers in the nba?
"Their last two good draft pics were Deron Williams and Kirilenko."
What about Paul Millsap at 47th in 2006? What about CJ Miles at 34th in 2005? What about Mo Williams at 47th in 2003?
80% of those players arent going to average 10 pts a game for their careers....
it's all just guessing at this point. None of us know who will do what long term based on some summer games, and some of those guys didnt even play summer games.
Other than John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Evan Turner... I don't think there are any bonafied for sure players in this draft.
Armon Johnson, Magnum Rolle, Tiny Gallon, Elliott Williams, Jarvis Varnado, and Willie Warren will all be worse pros than Gordon Hayward off of that list. Just watch.
there is a never anything as sure but there are some player that are more than likely to succeed. This is all my opinions based on the research i have done and what type of player, I feel each guy can and also will be. Hayward is skilled but there are a lot of skilled guys who are not NBA players. Skilled smart player like Hayward do better overseas.
Why isn't Luke Babbitt on the list? I thought you liked Babbitt over Hayward.
Iggy we will see
I make my posts so that people can look back and see if I was right or wrong.
I do hope to get my props when it is determined that I am right but this one may take a while considering most of these guys will not get a lot of minutes.
Utah just signed Bell to a very good contract and they trade for All Jefferson which kind of puts Hayward at 8th or 9th man right now so it it will be hard for him to get minutes to put up good stats.
His second year will be a better indicator of what he should wind up being but even that is not a sure thing
1Paul George - is very athletic, has nba caliber defense right now, has legit 3 pt range but is kinda streaky right now. Will get good minutes on defense alone early on. ceiling is very high
2 Cole Aldrich- defensive big that OKC has been looking for despite comaparison to Osterstag he is long armed and has decent athleticism
3 Xavier Henry- young good shooter with an NBA body at 19, plays within himself and may take a year or so but he can be quality floor spreader starting or off the bench for a lot of teams
4 Ed Davis- has a good pedigree and is solid around the basket with good energy and seems to have quieted some question marks with his inspired summer league play. hope he continues with that in regular season
5 Patrick Patterson- solid player, big man with 3pt range who can rebound well and work in the lowpost but has not shown much in the lowpost in summer league. His first year he will be playing behind a lot of people. Will have to really work hard to earn minutes
6 Eric Bledsoe- guard with great scoring ability and some point guard skills. Will probably play and learn behind Baron Davis for a while but has elite athleticism and could be a future starter for the Clippers
7 Avery Bradley- good nba defense, ton or scoring, lil point guard skills, but his length makes up for it
He could wind up a steal if he can develop a lil big of playmaking ability or grows another inch and a half
8 James Anderson -solid scoring who will be a great addition to the Spurs. He is not very athletic but solid at a long of things
9 Damion James- Has shown a great motor and great scoring skills in summer league and should get an opportunity to show it in actually games
10 Jordan Crawford-great scorer off the bench who will get more time if Jamal Crawford leaves after next year will seems likely since ATL will not be able to pay him after signing Joe Johnson. Jordan will be able to learn behind the guy he should replace after a year
11 Larry Sanders- energetic, long forward center combo who compares to Noah but may have deeper range but is not the passer or personality that Noah is
12 Hassan Whiteside- Can block shots and is long and athletic. May take some time but in a few years or so people will wonder how they let him slip into the second round when Thabeet went second overall and may not be as good as this kid down the road
13 Armon Johnson- would have been a first rounder in any other draft. Athletic point with decent playmaking skill. Could show a lot if he can get minutes on a deep Portland team
14 Terrico White- athletic combo guard who may see minutes depending on what move Piston make because they have a lot of guys who play a similiar position and game
15 Lance Stephenson- unofficial steal of the 2010 draft top 5 talent taken in the second round because some scouts did not do their homework
16 Devin Ebanks- long athletic, play good defense and rebound well. He has decent range but is inconsistent from the perimeter
---to be cont
17 Derrick Caracter
18 Magnum Rolle
19 Tiny Gallon
20 Willie Warren
21 Jarvis Varnardo
22 Elliot Williams
23 Craig Brackins
Hayward looks like Woody From Toy Story
He will be good.
He loves the game, and he is going to get so much better
Thank you I will put him on there at the end
17 Derrick Caracter-- smallish big man with good side and solid post moves. He would have gone first round if not for questionable past
18 Magnum Rolle- athletic long energy player who could come off the bench and help a lot of teams and should get good minutes for a Indiana team in need of athleticism boost in their frontcourt
19 Tiny Gallon- top 5 talent that could only be derailed by his attitude and weight issues. He has a big strong body and has perimeter skills.
20 Willie Warren- Has a chance to redeem himself after having a down year and looking lazy in draft camps. He is reunited with Blake Griffin that should inspired him to be the player that was seen as a top 10 pick
21 Jarvis Varnado-energy guy long shot blocker that is kind of skinny but should get minutes due to Miami's lack of options outside of big 3.
22 Elliot Williams- should get tons of playing time to prove himself if Portland move Fernandez
23 Craig Brackins- Should get a good deal of playing time behind West and Okafor. Has a combo forward game with ability to go inside and outside but seems to favor outside. Can put up points and playing with either Paul or Collinson will make it easier for him
24 Luke Babbitt- aggressive combo forward who can put up points but is not a good defender. He could possibly get time behind Alridge.
25 Gana Lawal- atheltic, good rebounder, and playing for a Suns team that could use that but he is low on the depth chart right now but if he gets minutes, he will produce
I forgot about Milsap and Mo Williams was a while ago and they didn't even keep him.
As a blazer fan i think Williams, Johnson, and Babbit will all have worse careers than Hayward.
Except MAYBE Johnson, hes shown very good defense, and good passing, and slashing i could maybe see him being better than Hayward, hes at least a solid backup point.
Willie Warren Tiny ''the next shaq" gallon are beasts
It takes a special type of guy to play in Utah. There's no night life in Salt Lake the beer is week and they have extra per game taxes, so it's just like Butler. I don't think Heyward was a top 10 pick. But O'Connor and company saw something they liked. Personally I hate Utah and want them to suck, so I loved it.
At worst Hayward will be another Mike Dunleavy, solid start/roleplayer. Never will be an All-Star.
Cole Aldrich will end up like every other big white guy that gets drafted far too early...ostertag, pryzbilla, hawes, nick collison, robert swift anyone??? LOL
Not known for drafting well?
You know that Utah has only had two top 10 draft picks in the last 27 years, right?
Hayward will be a very solid player in the NBA. I see a solid 6th-8th man at worst.
i keep reading about how this player is small or undersized but do ya'll even know the average size for a nba sf/pf..example derrick caracter is 6'9 but some say undersized but the average height for a nba pf is 6'9
you also cant judge how good a rookie is by his numbers without taking into account the team that they are on. hayward will be on a contending jazz team. willie warren will be battling with some good young players at his position. thats alot different then george. alot of these rookies wont even start. actually george and lance will have to battle for alot of min because granger and t.j ford will start from
there have been just as many big black guys who have been drafted to early
I'd be surprised if more than five of those guys have better careers than Hayward.
Your right Stanford, but please let me know the last time a 'WHITE' big man went early in the draft? Most times they are busts...cherokee parks, todd fuller? LMAO, there's not even an argument there...Most white guys drafted that high never pan out, at least some or most of the black guys are decent. I'm white, but I'm just stating the facts.
The Jazz have drafted three all-stars (Deron, AK, Mo) and tons of rotation players (Millsap, Maynor, Brewer, Matthews, more) between 1999 and 2009 with only one top ten pick in that period. How is that bad drafting?
collins wasnt a bust. neither was ostratag. neither were expected to be allstars and they werent they were expected to be starters/role players which they were.
I said Utah is not known for drafting well. I did not say that were bad a drafting that would be Minny but Utah has rarely picked up late picks that were really good for the most part. They have had their moments but they have picked up some terrible guys and just average guys most of the time. Most teams are on the level. I am just saying they are not known for drafting well so it should not be a shock if Hayward picked 9th is a bus
I don't hate Hayward so anybody that thinks this is a black or white thing which is stupid since I like a ton of white player not named Hayward but it is pretty much some fan of Hayward told me I had no clue what I was talking about when I said he would be a role player at best and does not deserve to be a top ten pick.
Every chance I get I will calling Hayward out and if he is actually good, I will admit i was wrong and give him his props.
This will probably not happen.
I have no issues with the Jazz and I am thankful they took Hayward which allowed Indiana not to be tempted into taking him because he is a Indiana guy.
They has been tons of bust both white, black, European, African and whatever Rafeal Aruja is( i know he is brazillian)
Hayward happened to be a player hyped that I called out.
There are guys knocking on Cousins and Favors(SO CALLED OVERRATED) but I get hated on for throwing Hayward under the bus.
You honestly think where not gonna slam you when you compare him to Dwight Howard?
Thats the gayest thing since Hybrids.
Patty we will see get ready to apologize homie I am aware that Favors is not Howard on defense and I have mentioned that so I don't want that to come up later on like I didnt already say that.
You could add Dominique Jones and Quincy Pondexter to the list. Probably Jeremy Lin too.
&$#%#&@! you, your an idiot if you think hes a good player.
He plays like hes on ritalin.
cyclo you are right man but I was really only trying to get 20 people and I went over. I also tried to pick guys that there was no way a person could make an argument that Hayward is better yet some people see something from this kid and I dont know what it is. I think he is very heady player with versatile skills but he is not a top 10 player and I know a lot of guys supporting him will have their feeling hurt when he is out of the league in like 3 or 4 year or he is stuck on the bench as a 10th man and they are crying for a team to play him.
"I said Utah is not known for drafting well. I did not say that were bad a drafting that would be Minny but Utah has rarely picked up late picks that were really good for the most part. They have had their moments but they have picked up some terrible guys and just average guys most of the time. Most teams are on the level. I am just saying they are not known for drafting well so it should not be a shock if Hayward picked 9th is a bus"
Name a team that managed to get more rotation players in the last ten years than the Jazz.
From drafting or pick ups. Utah has had some nice pick ups but those were not drafted.
I will give you my answer later because I would have to go back 10 year of drafting to be accurate because I don't like to put someone out there and be off.
This is all of Utah Jazz picks I could pull up from 10 years and there are some nice player but I am not impressed.
They have had some hits and misses.
They gave up on Mo Williams and Eric Maynor who may be better than Mo Williams.
They were horrible in drafting big men with Milsap being the exception.
They actually picked in some good spots for a few years and even years where they picked in the late 20's there were player available that could have been picked that were better and some were on most NBA scouts radar but Utah must have overlooked them.
Fizer was a lottery pick, man... On a very weak draft class... Even though he is a bust, he did had a very solid season with the Bulls... The moment he left the team after getting drafted by the Bobcats through the expansion draft, that was were his career went downward spiral... Marcus Fizer over Shelden Williams anyday...
"You could add Dominique Jones and Quincy Pondexter to the list. Probably Jeremy Lin too."
Those players have played better than that "elite" athlete Luke Babbitt in Las Vegas.
"I said he would be a role player at best and does not deserve to be a top ten pick."
How many people have said that Hayward would be more than a very good role player or borderline starter? You act like people have been saying that Hayward will be an All-Star.
You keep changing your arguments lol. First you said, "Hayward will be a second round pick. He doesn't have NBA game." Then it was, "Hayward will be a late first round pick. Watch!" Then it was, "Hayward will go no higher than mid first round." Now It's, "He doesn't deserve to be a top ten pick." Your predictions about Hayward haven't been right the entire draft process lol.
You keep changing your arguments. IF Hayward does play well and put up decent averages, you'll still say something like, "Well... So and so drafted below him has been better, so Hayward still shouldn't have gotten picked that high."
You're just being a hater...
Babbitt's been playing injured in the summer league.
Nobody ever called Luke Babbitt an "elite" athlete, but he is an above average athlete, recorded the best vertical leap among all frontcourt prospects (37.5 inches), and will be a better NBA player than the less athletic/worse shooting 6-7 Gordon Hayward who's excuse for shooting 29% from 3-point land was that "people were guarding him". LOL.
Cyclo, I bet if I dared you to suck Luke Babbitt's wood you'd do it for free..I seriously do believe it. As soon as he gets brought up you put up out of NOWHERE
... basketball talent, that is.
As reported, Babbitt has been playing on a sprained ankle, but he seems to be recovering...
Babbitt today vs. Chicago 7/18:
22 pts. 4 rebs. 3 asts. 4 stls. 1 blk. 6-8 fg. 8-8 ft. 2-3 3fg.
6'9" SF version of Nowitski. Will he be that good? I don't know, but he has the same inside/outside skills as Dirk with the same kind of body control and above average athleticism.
babbit's the next Austin Croshere, LMAO...
Dirk Nowitzki? I don't see it...
dipt1982, that is my comparison for Babbitt too!
LOL, how could he not turn into him? Haha
Jarvis Varnado?! .....he's not even going to be playing in the L this upcoming season sheltwon
This is all just your opinion. Non of it is based on fact. How are the Jazz bad drafters? Mo Williams, (47th overall) Paul Milsap, (47th overall) CJ Miles 34 (overall) Andrie Kirilenko, (24 overall) Eric Maynor, (20th overall) Deshawn Stevenson (23 overall) Greg Ostertag (28th overall) Bryon Russell (45th overall), Karl Malone (13th overall), John Stockton (16th overall). Also how can you call Hayward a bust when he hasn't even played a real NBA game yet? The Jazz took him at 9 because they felt he was the best player available. He had a productive summer league for the limited minutes he played. Its a good thing we didn't draft a project big because now we picked up a beast in Al Jefferson.