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1 Year of College Rule

A major topic discussed is should the NBA remove the one year of college rule;
Does anyone have any articles involving this?
Such as; Players having their stock hurt, injuries happen, etc. etc.
How it can be a negative thing.
I'm trying to write a persuasive essay on it; I realize this is a Basketball Website not a school website, but any help would be much appreciated and of course I'll delete this or Aran can if needed.


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what is your stance or are

what is your stance or are you gonna fairly present both sides?

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Let me begin by saying I hope

Let me begin by saying I hope they get rid of the rule. There are plenty of players who are good enough to enter the league out of high school and I'd rather have that than them simply taking bs classes for the first semester of college, before stopping attending class altogether.

But...I absolutely hate all the arguments people come up with about the rule being unfair or illegal. People argue that if someone is old enough to go to war, he is old enough to play in the NBA. People say as an adult, an 18 year-old has the right to pursue any career he chooses. But really that makes no sense. The NBA is a business and has the right to do whatever it chooses to ensure that it puts out the best product that brings in the most revenue. Any other employer has the right to require a bachelor's degree or a high school diploma. Likewise, the NBA has a right to set an age-limit if they so choose. The NBA is an employer and as long as they are not discriminating in some illegal way, they have the right to require certain standards of their prospective employees.

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Im your father's second

Im your father's second paragraph is spot on. The "if they can go to war" argument makes me ears cringe. The nba is a business. They can require 1 year of higher comp to better evaluate players before investing millions in them if they want. Now if they expanded it past 1 year i would be upset becasue athletes have routinely shwon they are nba ready after 1 year out of highschool. Plus the ahtlete has the right to go the nbdl or overseas or do whatever else he wants during that year if he doesnt want to go to shcool.

Personally im for the rule. Way too many guys coming out that werent ready and i just dont see anything wrong with them having to wait 1 season so the NBA can make better decisions. Owners and gms win. Fans win becasue its a more polished product. COaches win since they are not teaching basic fundamentals to completely unprepared kids out of highschool. Even the players win who are in the league since vets wont be losing their spot on the end of the bench for some kid not ready to play.

If it were just the dwights and lebrons coming in, i would feel different.

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I'm in favor of getting rid

I'm in favor of getting rid of the rule.

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hmm, do you think it'd be

hmm, do you think it'd be easieer to argue for it than against?

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I think they should implement

I think they should implement the baseball rule. Be allowed to go from high school to NBA, but if the player decides to go to college, that player must stay in college for atleast 2 years. So basically it's either go Pro, or do the 2 year college route. It would help those who are good enough to jump straight from high school and also help NCAA at the same time.

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i dont think it would help

i dont think it would help the ncaa out much. FIrst, more guys are likely to go straight to the nba if they know they have to stay 2 years instead of 1. SO the nba draft will see more unprepared highschoolers then ever before. Secondly, with one year rule, guys who do go to college just keep their nose clean for a semester and then drop out and prepare for the draft. But with 2 years, you will see more guys getting in trouble for grades and money and all kinds of little things.

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I used to be against the

I used to be against the rule, but I'm now for it. Like llperex said, to many people would come out early because their coaches and family members said they were goood enough, but actually weren't ready. And it makes the NBA better because most GMs will know what they're getting when they draft a player because they've had a chance to extensively scout them where they wouldn't be able to do that with high school players, therefore, there aren't as many dissapointments on the court. An example of this is Kwame Brown. If he had went to college, he might have come out more polished and still been the #1 pick and had a very good career, or, his weaknesses would have been exposed and he would've been picked much later in the draft. Either scenario would have been better for the NBA because he wouldn't have been as much as a disapointment. It also makes the game of college basketball much better because there is more talent.

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If they can't keep their nose clean in college for 2 years, then their not ready for NBA. It makes it easier for GMs to evaluate not just their talent but to see how mature they are by going to college for 2 yrs, and the bust rate would probably decrease, because it's easier to evaluate a player in 2 years instead of just one season in college.

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bust rate would increase

bust rate would increase because many more players would come straight out of highschool. ANd the NBA talking about players maturity in tersm of grades and stuff is really a very minor blip on the radar of what the nba gm's really care about.

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^^^

I really doubt if such rule is implemented that a flood gate of high school players would declare. Only the top highschool prospects would declare and those who are 4 star recruits would go to college. It's not as if half of the high school class would declare, just the elite recruits. And grades may not matter for GMs as far as college prospects, but behavior is. You think Lance Stephenson would last in Cincinatti for 2 seasons before he has an incident? I think it cleans up the NBA game quite a bit because you get a extensive evaluation of a player's behavior while in college.

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"i dont think it would help

"i dont think it would help the ncaa out much. FIrst, more guys are likely to go straight to the nba if they know they have to stay 2 years instead of 1. SO the nba draft will see more unprepared highschoolers then ever before. Secondly, with one year rule, guys who do go to college just keep their nose clean for a semester and then drop out and prepare for the draft. But with 2 years, you will see more guys getting in trouble for grades and money and all kinds of little things."

This is the reason I am in favor of abolishing the rule altogether. I don't like any of the options, but I think it is the best of many evils. The most common solution I have heard is what mess.eee suggested, implementing a rule where you must go to the league or stay in college for 2 years. But as LLperez said, that would likely created a situation where none of the top talent would go to college at all. I think this would be a disaster, because tons of great players would end up falling in the draft or go undrafted, while the league would simaltaneously be flooded with young, unprepared players.

The one and done rule on the other hand, has in my mind created a mockery of college athletics. As I said before players don't take real classes and instead take phys ed courses, which they stop going to for the 2nd semester. I'd rather have the people who don't want to be in school not go at all. In addition, the current climate has created an allure about being "one and done." I feel as though many top prospects consider it a failure if they don't leave after a year, because all of their peers are striving to do it. If players can enter the league WHENEVER they want, college or not, I feel like that would relieve this to a certain extent. Elite players may end up staying in school longer, because they don't feel pressure to live up to the one and done ruling.

I don't love the old rule, but I just can't think of a better solution.

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I forgot to add, that if I'm

I forgot to add, that if I'm thinking purely from an NBA perspective, I would absolutely be in favor of the rule as it stands. The issue that I have with the current rule comes from what it does to the NCAA and "student athletes," not from the quality of basketball it produces for the National Basketball Association. If I was an NBA executive, I would be fighting to keep the one and done rule.

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@Mess.eee I DO think that

@Mess.eee

I DO think that nearly every 5-star prospect would declare for the draft, regardless if they may have ended up staying multiple years had they gone to college. I think players would fear being locked into school, even if they might consider staying 2, 3 or even 4 years if they ended up going to school. It is one thing to choose to stay, but I think they would really fear having to stay, regardless of whether or not they no longer wanted to be in school.

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mess.eee, the number of

mess.eee, the number of unprepared highschool kids who declared before any rule was in place would probably double if they changed it so the players who did go to school had to stick around for mulitple years. The NBA would be much better off just abolishing the rule althogether then implementing a baseball style rule.

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I actually think the NBA, the

I actually think the NBA, the players and the colleges all lose if they made a baseball style rule. The NCAA would lose out on most of the mcdonalds all-american types instead fo atleast getting them for a year.

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Do any of you all know of any

Do any of you all know of any articles that are related to this topic?
I have to find some sources and quote some of them for my essay.
Just asking.

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I see the results of the rule

I see the results of the rule but mainly because it keeps Gms from making stupid decisions. I think the kids have a right to put their name in the draft. The NBA is a business and you can apply for any job even one without the requirements. You may not get hired but you can apply. I think high school graduates should have that opportunity and if they are not drafted they should go to school and if they go they should have to at least stay 2 years.

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I dont know why no one

I dont know why no one mentions how it is the Gm's that make the decisions to draft this players. You can't blame the players because the Gm's dont know how to evaluate talent and just gamble.

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gms want to evaluate at

gms want to evaluate at higher level. Like any other business in america, the nba has the right to put minniumum standards before you can apply for the job.

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I think they should eliminate

I think they should eliminate the rule.

First off, is it the Player's fault he is drafted so high straight out of High School. Did Kwame Brown threaten Michael Jordan to draft him?

No.

If you are good enough to earn a check to play ball why should you have to pretend to be interested in school. Lets stop the act, the NCAA is a one year playground for these players. They can go to a person who actually needs a Bachelors Degree to prosper in the world.

These players who turn out to be bust are drafted by General Managers who are paid a lot of money to do their homework on these kinds of things. Lets stop talking about how its good for the game. How about you dont draft them if you have such a problem with these High Schoolers..

Oh thats right...... POTENTIAL.... there goes that word again.

David Stern is a joke. He is trying to regulate the game way too much. Cant do this Cant do that. Damn. He needs to worry about these horrible refs and imcompetent execs giving out these huge deals to average players.

How about that, though.

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problem is a lot of these

problem is a lot of these players arent good enough to earn a check. The nba has a tough time evaluating highschool kids against highscool kids. COaches have a tough time teaching basic fundamentals. DOnt see any problem with a 1 year rule. ANd no one is pretanding to be interested in school. Many athletes are not interested in school regardless of any rules at all. Its always been that way. Fact is most player s go to college over the nbdl or overseas becasue its the best way to market themselves for gm's and make more money.

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in reply to llperez 9:28 comment

Again, my point is, these GMs will still draft them with or without the fundamentals. I like seeing players like Durant and Rose tear it up in College but a player like Enes Kanter or even Harrison Barnes have their stock hurt because of this rule. Im just in favor of the players, these GMs and Owners are no joke, so if you can make your money.. why have them wait. Your window as a professional is but so small, I would hate to risk my chances of millions because of the 1 year rule.

I know people, myself included, want to see players with better fundamentals, etc etc but some of the biggest stars are high school players.. the TWO biggest star attractions are High School Players

Another thing, i feel the best competition is the NBA so go straight there, college ball isn't a great barometer to see what you're going to be like, its an INSURANCE policy for the Owners.

You either have it or you dont and by that i mean superb athleticism.

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if you compare the list of

if you compare the list of highschool draftees over the pastr 15 years with guys who made it(lebron, dwight, kobe etc..) vs the guys who busted(kwame, korleone young, sebastian telfair etc..) its actually more busts then not.

And why is everyone so anti NBA? WHy shouldnt they have the right to do whats in their best interest? WHy shouldnt the nba have the right to do whats in the fans best interst? WHy shouldnt they have the right to do wahts in the coaches best interest? The players have to wait 1 whole year, they will get their moeny eventually if they are good enough and they will be treated like stars at whateve campus they go to. ANd if they really need a buck or just hate school, then they can go to the nbdl or overseas. One year aint that long. It seems everyone thinks david stern and the gms and owenrs are the devil and everything must be whats in the best interest of the player.

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Yeah there will be more busts

Yeah there will be more busts than stars but that isnt a fair argument. There are but so many "stars" in the league. Lets say there are 20 "stars" and thats a generous number. There are about 400 players in the league, of course more players are going to be labeled busts.

The owners and Stern aren't Devils, they are punishing the players for a mess the OWNERS and STERN created. Thats all I'm saying. These outrageous contracts, who gives those out? who signs off on them?

It is (lets say) Rashard Lewis' fault he said yes to a 118 million dollar contract. The league will probably go into a lockout because of the mess the owners created. They arent getting enough return on investment, but why the silly contracts. Is it the Potential again?

Its the Money. Not the overall quality of the league that is behind these rules. Thats my beef. Fundamentals wont put butts in seats.

So No I dont think the rule should stand.

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now you are bringing

now you are bringing something entirely different up. Im not defending stern or the owners on contracts. This has nothig to do with contracts. I dont think anything is wrong with the current draft policy is all.

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and the most you can make in

and the most you can make in the nbdl is $25,000. lol . You better go to school, you'll make a lot more in college lol

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or go overseas. Jennings made

or go overseas. Jennings made good money over there.

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Why do they have a hard time

Why do they have a hard time of evaluating high school players. They get paid enough to do better than that but a lot of Gm's are not that good and they gamble because if that gamble pays off they look like a genious.

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They won't get rid of this

They won't get rid of this rule instead the owners will be pushing to make it 2 years.

No way are the players getting the owners to change it back.

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